Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

US AND UKRAINE FAIL TO INFLICT STRATEGIC DEFEAT ON RUSSIA. WHAT COMES NEXT?

Scott Ritter joins the #NewRulesPodcast to discuss US involvement in the Kursk incursion, and why the Biden admin finds itself in a ‘Ukraine trap’ ahead of the 2024 US presidential election.

"[The Kursk incursion] was a desperate gamble. It has failed. And now, instead of having a Russia that is bending the knee, you have a Russia that is enraged, still maintaining a dominant position across the spectrum of geopolitical affairs, and the US not having a plan," @RealScottRitter told New Rules

Check out the full interview on X here (https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1831726578226901291).

Ukrainian command is on the verge of losing Pokrovsk and does not know how to hold the front line

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying with all their might to hold Pokrovsk and are redeploying the elite Kara-Dag brigade of the National Guard in the hope of counterattacking in Novogrodovka. Although they had previously withdrawn their units from this direction. Ukrainian military officials report that some units were ordered to withdraw without a fight and surrender Pokrovsk.

The Ukrainian media are already preparing citizens for the surrender of the city. Thus, the secretary of the parliamentary committee on the national security of Ukraine, Kostenko, stated that the loss of Pokrovsk would not mean the collapse of the front but would become critical if failures in this direction occurred later.

There was a wide public outcry in Ukrainian society that in the southeast, in Novogrodovka, there were empty trenches, and the Russian Armed Forces liberated the city with small forces in a couple of days. This is even though a fortification line was built in the vicinity. However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces generals justified themselves by saying that the positions of the troops in this region were not favourable, keeping silent about the obvious shortage of soldiers in the line of contact.

In the Ukrainsk area, it is reported that the Russian Armed Forces are in the southern part of Galitsynovka, which confirms the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Nevelskoye and the liberation of the city by Russian soldiers.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces began to flee from their positions south of Pokrovsk due to the threat of encirclement. The 47th Magura /Manure, for future reference / Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, will soon be left alone near Pokrovsk. There are currently no reserves to cover it. The reason is the tactical and operational confusion of Commander-in-Chief Syrsky, who, after the PR campaign to enter the Kursk Region, does not know which section of the front to plug first.

It is worth noting that in the Ugledar area, the situation for the Ukrainian Armed Forces around the city has sharply worsened, and now the fate of the city is also "hanging by a thread". It is important to note that another Guards Force is advancing here - "South", and "Center" is advancing on Pokrovsk. That is, these are not reserves that were thrown into another area. This is the activation of the main forces of another guard force, which are aimed at supporting the attack of their neighbours or taking advantage of the situation to solve their problems.

Thus, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are forced to stretch their reserves, which are much smaller at the moment, and, as a result, make mistakes. Zelensky's actions have led to the Ukrainian Armed Forces being critically short of personnel both for holding the bridgeheads and for operational command. " People hating General " Syrsky and his staff are forced to do everything personally instead of commanding the staff.

From slavyangrad

No ukie military officials report this, that's straight up BS

The Ukranians cannot and will not surrender Pokrovsk without a fight they are redeploying more and more men there, Russian progress has greatly slowed as a response.

higurashihougi wrote:"Where are your F-16s ?"

Actually it says "Where are you, my F-16?"

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No ukie military officials report this, that's straight up BS

The Ukranians cannot and will not surrender Pokrovsk without a fight they are redeploying more and more men there, Russian progress has greatly slowed as a response.

Well, they either play baseball with flying FAB bombs or are getting fired and enjoy the dollars. They can't really talk.

Forgive my ignorance, but there is a topic that is not well explained in the west (I am in australia) - soviet monument and grave desecration

The thing that baffles me with ukraine is......

Why are they hell bent on removing soviet monuments and trashing soviet graves?

I mean history is history.
It's facts.
It cannot be changed.
Also, these people are dead, they are no threat to you.
They might even be related to people living in ukraine now...

I mean as much as people don't like ideologies....

We have to acknowledge that the soviet red army did
1. liberate their country
2. USSR rebuilt their country better than it ever was before

Fair enough you don't like their political beliefs....but the monuments exist to remember the dead who made possible 1 and 2.

Both 1 and 2 are good things if you are a ukranian.

So why are they so fixated on destroying and erasing monuments and graves. If you don't like your soviet history then why don't you dismantle your soviet era schools or speed bumps (I hate those things)

What is achieved by doing this?

Is it as simple as, USSR beat the nazi in ww2 and suppressed them in ukraine for 25 years afterwards. So this is revenge?

@MMBR:

1) For the Maidan fascists, demonizing Soviet heritage is the only way to legitimize themselves.

1.5) For normal Ukrainian people, they can be brainwashed by the fascists to believe in what is actually harmful for them. For example brainwashing children from young age, or the fascist take advantage of the tangible, real hardships of people's lives and direct all the blame to Russia.

1.5.5) Not all Ukrainians actively take part in demonizing Russia. But they have been inactive. Like "I don't care, political fights are not my problem" or "There is no use resisting, we are too weak." Please remember that when the USSR collapsed, the majority of people also did not actively want to destroy it, but they were inactive bystanders.

2) For the West, it is beneficial and profitable for them to remove all Russian and Soviet influences (and also China PR and socialist countries) out of the world so that they can monopolize the Earth as the sole masters. They will do that by any means possible, including playing with Nazi.

2.5) Nazism is in fact an chauvinist, authoritarian form of capitalism, although from the outside they always pretend to reject each others until the socialist revolutionaries emerge.

3) "To understand why this or that policy was implemented, we must know who are benefited from that." - Vladimir Lenin.

1.5 - 3 make sense

Point 1 sounds like they are using soviet as a "scape goat", they blame them as the source of all of ukraine problems and by removing the monument and memories of them they are taking action to correct the problem and therefore the good guys?

That's how they tell it to people, look at the tangible good things we did today to correct this and that

Did I get it right?

MMBR wrote:Point 1 sounds like they are using soviet as a "scape goat", they blame them as the source of all of ukraine problems and by removing the monument and memories of them they are taking action to correct the problem?

The Bandera fascists collaborated with Hitler while the USSR fought against Hitler, therefore the only way for Maidan to legitimize themselves is demonizing the USSR or erase the USSR from people's memory.

The Western powers did commit a significant resources and manpower to fought against the Axis during the war and Western propaganda can use that to distract people away from their collaboration with Nazi (the 1938 Munich Agreement, for example), but the Bandera fascists have nothing to excuse themselves. So the only thing the Maidan fascists can do is demonizing and erasing USSR heritage.

The Bandera fascists collaborated with Hitler while the USSR fought against Hitler, therefore the only way for Maidan to legitimize themselves is demonizing the USSR or erase the USSR from people's memory.

The Western powers did commit a significant resources and manpower to fought against the Axis during the war and Western propaganda can use that to distract people away from their collaboration with Nazi (the 1938 Munich Agreement, for example), but the Bandera fascists have nothing to excuse themselves. So the only thing the Maidan fascists can do is demonizing and erasing USSR heritage.

Clear and easy to understand, thank you

MMBR wrote:
I mean history is history.
It's facts.
It cannot be changed.

Hold my beer
It even has its name.
Demnatio memoriae.

higurashihougi wrote:
The Bandera fascists collaborated with Hitler while the USSR fought against Hitler, therefore the only way for Maidan to legitimize themselves is demonizing the USSR or erase the USSR from people's memory.

You are addressing only the modern history, while the case is much longer lasting.
Starting with the language origin of the name. "Ukraine" is a Slavic originated "u kraja" - "at the edge".
From the perspective of both Rus and Poland, it used to be an area far, far away from the core land, regularly contested by all the sides. Which was the Tatars/Ottomans, Rus and PL/LT kingdom.
They are not "nation", but inhabitants of faraway land, that nobody bothered much.
Being on the edge of empires, law and order were questionable there, leading to a saber being the final question and answer.
With all the imaginable results.
Those are descendants of thugs, thieves, and ru away peasants, ruled by the local oligarchy which bent to all the power centers in the region, whether it be Tatars or Rus or PL/LT.
Nothing has changed ever since, only the eastern part left of Dnepr was infused by the Rus population.

ucmvulcan wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No ukie military officials report this, that's straight up BS

The Ukranians cannot and will not surrender Pokrovsk without a fight they are redeploying more and more men there, Russian progress has greatly slowed as a response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-UZe-cTm1E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89dGC8de0CA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8I5vDewcZo

Reactions like this are beyond sad.

Can you actually counter what I said with logic?

No Ukie official has claimed they are surrendering the city without a fight.

For strategic reasons and tactical Ukraine cannot just hand it over, they have to fight here and they are doing so.

Patheic response, fanboys like always

lyle6 wrote:
Its petty resentment. The OG hohols (Galicians) never achieved anything of note until the Russians uplifted them and gave them sapience.
Then when the Russians left, they still couldn't do shit. So they only became more angry.

Well, they did achieve the goal of their creation. Making all sorts of shit and troubles to any country that had a privilege of sharing statehood with them.

I did wonder.

GEROMAN -- time will tell - --
@GeromanAT
"In the Seversk direction, Ukrainian troops used an unmanned aerial vehicle to inflict fire damage on positions of the Russian Armed Forces using thermite ammunition north of Vesyoloye."

Military Analytics TG

(a Russian source told me some days ago that those dragon drones are mostly used to destroy their own trenches after giving them up - and so delay the entering of Russian troops...)

He said: "did you ever see any Russian soldiers in those burning trenches? - If we were there - we would just shoot that fucking thing down with our rifles"

Lmao there is no “slowdown” around Pokrovsk

The Russian army moved very fast through the open ground and villages and towns and finally reached the city

Lmfao this had nothing to do with Ukrainian reinforcements but more to do that when you reach a city of 60-70,000 ppl you will naturally slow down and shift towards assault operations

Russia will collapse the Nevelskoye pocket, take Gornyak, Ukrainsk, Pincer Selydovo and then only when the flanks are leveled move on Pokrovsk from multiple directions

Ukrainian cope is retarded they have no chance to defend anything lol, wherever they send reserves they remove men from other areas

Which allows Russia to recapture the islands in Kherson, Sinkovka in Kupyansk, Now they advance in Kursk, Ugledar etc

The Ukrainians don’t have the manpower to defend their entire frontline and so Russia will advance in every direction they withdraw from

For this reason Russians pushed from Korenovo yesterday

They will advance when it makes sense and consolidate positions on the flanks of their salients

It is also funny to hear Ukrcope about well Donbass doesn’t matter , what will Russia do after Donbass ? Ask for peace talks?

No lmfao , Donbass is the most fortified area of Ukraine , just like you see Russian army advancing at lightning pace, it will be everywhere else since there are no contiguous urban defenses after Donbass

Ukrainian supporters are fucking retards , after Donbass they will liberate Zaporozhye and Kherson , and then renew operations in new regions

Only the movement will be even faster than in Pokrovsk for the reasons stated above

Collapsing manpower, low morale, and open ground for renewed operational maneuver

Sure Ark sure, yes they need to seize the surrounding areas but progress has been slowed due to the arrival of additional Ukie forces.

Thats fact, It just merely means it will take the Russians longer but yeah they wills till capture it and I never said they would I merely said they got slowed down.

if you read what I said you'd know that was in response to a guy claiming Ukraine was just going to ditch the city, they swouldn't be sending additional troops to reinforce positions if they where just going to ditch it

This is why I mock fanboys you guys deny such basic obvious facts because it doesn't fit what you want to think or see.

Also your high or delusional if you call the pace they are advancing "lightning" they are advancing yeah but its not super super fast which "lightning would suggest"

Aidar, the well known blocking unit will definitely be raising morale. Mind you having two of their own captured to spill the beans is a bit of a slip up. Clearly, as they are still breathing, their captors are not DNR troops so its probably a lifetime in a hard labour holiday camp for them.

MMBR wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but there is a topic that is not well explained in the west (I am in australia) - soviet monument and grave desecration

It is retarded and ironic seeing these Banderite clowns tear down statues of Lenin who is the real father of their nation.   Ukria's borders were created
by the Bolsheviks.   They have no historical existence prior to 1920s.   Novorossiya was settled by Russians during the 1600s and every major city is a
Russian city found by the Russian Empire.   There were no Ukrian cities there that were occupied.   These were vacant lands for a long time after Kievan
Rus was destroyed and subjugated by the Tatar-Mongol horde.   But the Bolsheviks illegally annexed this ethnic Russian land (from Odessa to Sumy)
to their concoction, the Ukrainian SSR, in the 1920s to boost the industrial component of Ukria since it was basically agrarian in the west and center.
Nobody living in Novorossiya was asked if they wanted to become Ukrainian.    The Bolsheviks also imposed the western Ukr mova (dialect) onto the
Ukr SSR even though the vast majority spoke Russian and Surzhyk which is closer to Russian like they speak in Belarus.   Ukraine is a socially engineered
freak fest that was going to eventually experience a civil war because of glaring internal contradictions.

Crimea was never part of any Ukraine until 1954 when corrupt Ukrainian Khruschev illegal transferred it to his tribe's ethnic republic.  The USSR was the
best thing to happen to Ukr nazionalists.   Without it, there would be an ethnic enclave in eastern Poland, Hungary and Romania.  The rest would be Russian
like it always was.

Russia won't rush Pokrovsk as Ark said that Russia will secure the flanks and then close it off. Urban warfare can be deadly for infantry units. It also allows Russia to turn this into a meat grinder. As Ukraine sends its best units and pulls troops from elsewhere this makes it easier for Russia to exterminate them. I expect FABs to be falling by the hundreds, and TOS in action. And then shelling the hell out of the Ukrainians as they retreat. All the while Russia progresses on the fronts where Ukraine has pulled troops from. In the end Russia will capture this town, advance elsewhere and kill many more Ukrainians, it's a win win win situation for Russia

I’d call it lightning, it’s the fastest pace of the war with also the lowest amount of casualties

Yes lower than even the Kiev withdrawal phase when they had almost no losses

That was in 2022 during retreat, this is 2024 and these are active assault operations - and the losses are lowest they have ever been

And I doubt they will need many FABS or TOS

Most of the towns being taken are captured fully intact with little fire damage imposed

Russian army is walking through towns that took months to capture in 2-3 days now and with little resistance

The whole thing is pretty obvious - Kursk makes sense if you are a Ukrainian elite trying to make as much as you can before you run away (like arestovich, Kuleba, Zaluzhny) the rats are already packing up and leaving piecemeal