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    Post  MMBR Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:06 am

    Average rate of advance in donbass for august was 1.6km a day

    I remember when it was an enoumous accomplishment to advance 300m a day!

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:28 am

    Hole wrote:
    Just take a look at the woke capital San Francisco.
    A shithole. Literally.

    And that is applied "medicine".
    If you suck in every single sphere of social security, put your bet on "woke" and other shit.
    Persuade mentally disabled people how precious and charming they are, and how you are doing all possible for them.
    You will get a legion of retards standing firmly behind you, ready to kill all the normality around. And convicted about the sacred mission they all share. They will shit & piss in the river, convinced of how blessed they are ...

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    Post  ahmedfire Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:34 am


    I just watched a video showing a Russian woman being tortured by Ukrainian men for not being able to speak Ukrainian.

    WTF How could someone torture a woman like that !

    If this video is true Putin should speak up about it to give an idea to the world what was happening in Donbass since 2014 .

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:15 pm


    I have never bought a story of ukrs destroying it, because that would be the only case in this war when they have not exploited such a juicy event from the beginning.

    The 410 is a very good low recoil shotgun calibre, nice low recoil but effective against rats and snakes and small birds, but as you can see from the shell case it does not have the capacity of a 12 gauge, and from such a short barrel would be useless against drones except at close ranges like that guy was shooting.

    That is fine for a bottle of fizzy drink or a sheet of paper, but against a drone carrying a kg of explosive you don't want it exploding 4 metre away... preferably you want it exploding 100m away.

    A 410 shell is 3 inches long but is narrower and holds less shot than even a 2 and 3/4 inch 12 gauge shell, which means there are more gaps in the shot pattern so you shoot at targets from a closer distance to hit them with enough pellets to do lethal or effective damage.

    You might get lucky with the first shot or you might fire three times and not get a hit at all.

    A 12 gauge carries several times more pellets for each shot so for a given distance the gaps are smaller and you are more likely to get multiple hits.

    Something that looks like a Smoke grenade launcher... which are about 81mm could be filled with a decent level of propellant and projectiles... but lack of a barrel makes them difficult to develop. You could compensate for the lack of barrel length for the projectiles to be accelerated by using an explosive rather than a propellant to eject the projectiles like a claymore mine does rather than small arms ammo does. The problem there is the speed and rate of explosion has a chaotic element and the pattern of projectiles might have random enormous gaps even at very close range which would make them rather hit and miss.... mostly miss.

    I did some research and there was an experimental Soviet rifle that combined a 12 gauge shotgun with a small box mag with an AK-74 type assault rifle. It was not successful.

    A modern version could be used to blow open doors for urban operations and also for shooting at drones with suitable ammo... but it never passed tests to enter service.

    Of course if you want a shotgun they have in service the KS-23 I have mentioned before is in service and use and you could use 23mm cannon shell projectiles obviously at a much lower velocity...



    That is why this red hair narcissistic fart has already scared the market that when he will be the president he will sanction all the countries that are dumping $ for 100% tariffs

    Except foreign countries don't pay tariffs, your own population pays tariffs, so all things imported into the US will double in price... which means locals wont be able to buy as much and might be forced to buy a local alternative if one is available. If it is not then they just have less money left over at the end of the week.

    For US businesses that import parts or material the costs of making things will essentially double which means even local stuff is going to cost more.

    For the rest of the world it just means selling stuff to America is not as profitable because it becomes twice as expensive and no longer competitive... but fortunately you can sell that product to other countries with no tariffs and you make more money selling in other markets.

    Even if they drop all the US sanctions that means all Russian stuff will be twice as expensive... I wonder if they will keep the ban on Russian arms and ammo exports to the US?

    The British daily The Times reported that US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and British Foreign Secretary David Lammy, who arrived in Kiev, were planning to discuss the possibility of letting Ukraine use long-range missiles for strikes on Russian territory. Washington's plans to give such permission were reported by Bloomberg. CIA director Bill Burns also said that the US might reconsider its stance.

    Sounds like the ideal Iskander/Kinzhal target right there...

    They think it is a game... this would tell them it is not.

    The US embassy in Kiev is another target that needs to be hit. There are thousands of Americans and they are not issuing green cards... they are essentially running the country and running the war thinking the fact that it is US soil will protect them... didn't save Iranians in Syria from US or Israeli attacks and didn't protect Chinese officials in Serbia either... but they are safe because it is American soil which is sacred...

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:21 pm

    Doesn't sound like they will be giving them permission to use long range weapons against Russian targets afterall...

    Sounds a lot like they will be going the other way...

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:33 pm

    Clearance sales, literally.

    https://www.ft.com/content/f44bf7d0-0895-4f63-9fce-d3de8e686b57

    Much of the military aid the UK has given to Ukraine has consisted of old equipment, such as army boots that otherwise would have had to be thrown away, according to a spending watchdog.

    Military gear that was “often due to be scrapped or replaced” was prioritised by the Ministry of Defence because it was believed to have “immediate military value” to Ukraine — but sending it to Kyiv also “reduced waste or costs relating to disposal”, the National Audit Office said on Wednesday.

    The ministry also used other “innovative ways of sourcing military equipment”, such as reverse-engineering replacement tracks for Soviet-era T72 tanks from samples at a tank museum in Dorset, the NAO noted.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:55 pm

    NarcoFuhrer can potentially an to use long range missiles like the Storm Shadow to hit Russian a graduation ceremony in some military academy to "avenge" recent hit in Ukraine... Im afraid

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:36 pm

    If Russkie will be dumb enough to hold a ceremony in a public place, telling the date and time a week in advance on X/TG, and gathering all the cadets in one place - yes, I would say they would deserve that ...

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    Post  franco Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:27 pm

    Russian MoD reporting 2300 Ukrainian casualties during the past 24 hours including;

    During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 300 military personnel and 24 armored vehicles, including five tanks, six armored personnel carriers and 13 armored combat vehicles, as well as two artillery pieces, 9 vehicles, two engineering barrier vehicles and two electronic warfare stations.

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 12,500 troops, 101 tanks, 42 infantry fighting vehicles, 83 armored personnel carriers, 669 armored combat vehicles, 410 vehicles, 92 artillery pieces, 26 multiple rocket launchers, including seven HIMARS and five MLRS manufactured by the United States, eight anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, two transport-loading vehicles, 24 electronic warfare stations, seven counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, ten units of engineering equipment, Of these, four engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12528992@egNews

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    Post  nomadski Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:48 pm




    The " Judge, " is out on the long Barrel ! Field testing will determine . I think a sidearm , firing 12 guage maybe the better option . Allowing ALL land troops to carry , without compromising their fighting ability . I like the dedicated firing stick , shown at first too ! I also like the Russian big shotgun ! That will work for sure , but needs dedicated soldier .

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:10 pm

    Nevelskoye pocket collapsed and so did area west of Krasnogorovka

    The salient is leveling out, they probably will start taking Selidovo and Kurakhovo

    Then they will collapse Ugledar pocket and level the line from Ugledar to Pokrovsk

    From there it’s anyone guess

    They can just ignore Kramatorsk agglomeration and proceed through Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk regions as those are empty steppe lands and they will move even faster there then Avdeyevsky and Pokrovsky sectors

    Once they reach Pavlograd they can just move north into the rear of Kharkov and just move from behind

    The Kramatorsk and Kharkov will probably be taken by a huge operational encirclement proceeding south from Zaporozhye

    And by that time they would be ready from Kursk to move into Sumy and take the entire left bank in one large maneuver

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    Post  Firebird Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:36 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    And by that time they would be ready from Kursk to move into Sumy and take the entire left bank in one large maneuver


    Well hopefully you are right. Certainly, things are picking up a pace in recent months with (fingers crossed) relatively low casualties vs the demons.

    I wonder how an operation east of the Dnieper would look.
    Perhaps after taking Odessa, Russia could strange the Banderites from N to South ie Belarus to Transnistria/Odessa. And have a similar stranglepoint on Banderastan's Western border. Given the filth in Lvov etc are unlikely to "see the light", I wouldn't be averse to some American style heavy bombing there.

    But it is clear, relinquishing the Western Ukr region is likely to cause problems in the future. No deals can be made with deceitful trash.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:46 pm

    Looks like one hilarious news missed our harvesters Very Happy

    Yesterday's night ukrs made an attempt to size Krim-2 oil rig.
    They have used 12 Willard Sea Force boats.
    It worked perfectly well and in expected direction.
    Russkie sung 8 out of 12, forcing the rest to retreat without any attempt to help the survivors.
    Which resulted in about 80 killed ...
    If you consider that the Tik Tok Commando was not th case - wrong Laughing
    They uploaded pics of how they are getting ready to this Operation Tik Tok few hours before ...

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    Post  franco Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:15 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Looks like one hilarious news missed our harvesters Very Happy

    Yesterday's night ukrs made an attempt to size Krim-2 oil rig.
    They have used 12 Willard Sea Force boats.
    It worked perfectly well and in expected direction.
    Russkie sung 8 out of 12, forcing the rest to retreat without any attempt to help the survivors.
    Which resulted in about 80 killed ...
    If you consider that the Tik Tok Commando was not th case - wrong Laughing
    They uploaded pics of how they are getting ready to this Operation Tik Tok few hours before ...

    Harvesters huh!! See post #812 Smile
    It must have feeding time at the zoo and you missed it dunno

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:52 pm

    franco wrote:
    Harvesters huh!! See post #812 Smile
    It must have feeding time at the zoo and you missed it dunno

    russia

    Guilty bro! Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Missed that.
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    Post  PhSt Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:02 pm

    Oh no.. Poor Ukrops are now suffering from mental health issues because of the Russians affraid

    I wonder why NATzO propaganda media didn't seem to notice the suffering of the people of Donbas when they were the ones being bombed by the Ukro Nazis  Rolling Eyes





    Bad news for the Russians, as per Zelensky's statements, Russia's counter-offensive in Kursk is part of the mythical Ukrainian Victory plan  Laughing

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    Post  PhSt Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:28 am

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    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/122731

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    Post  PhSt Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:44 am

    Im not sure how Finland and the Baltics are able to launch drones Undetected to strike targets in Russia, but Russia needs to collect hard evidence to prove that these rats are involved in these attacks in Northern Russia.

    Russi needs to give these rats a dose of their own medicine, launch drone attacks on their territory, and deny any knowledge of such incidents. Let the NATzO rats Froth their months in anger and humiliation attack

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:59 am

    A good example of the explosive power of a 1500kg bomb

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    Post  PhSt Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:25 am

    Ukraine (AKA NATzO Finland) launched drones to attack Olenya airbase In Murmansk.

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    Imagine the drones traveling more than 1,600 km without being detected over Russian or Belarussian airspace, unless it's approaching from West of Murnansk

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    Post  Krepost Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:45 am

    Minesweeper IVAN ANTONOV in the Black Sea.
    It has received masking paint and a ZU-23 anti air gun (23mm) at the stern to combat sea drones.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:14 am

    Very good. Let it be delayed forever.

    https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/9766/Artykul/3423190,delay-in-recruitment-for-ukrainian-legion-despite-polands-preparedness

    Delay in recruitment for Ukrainian Legion despite Poland's preparedness

    Poland was ready to begin training volunteers for the Ukrainian Legion starting August 1, but Ukraine has yet to initiate recruitment, according to Monday's edition of "Dziennik Gazeta Prawna" (DGP).

    The unit was originally intended to consist of Ukrainian volunteers currently residing in Poland and other European countries.

    Despite earlier announcements, formal recruitment for the Legion has not yet started. According to "DGP," Radosław Sikorski was misinformed about the number of registered Ukrainians, as the information referred only to preliminary inquiries, not formal registration.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:36 am

    NarcoFuhrer can potentially an to use long range missiles like the Storm Shadow to hit Russian a graduation ceremony in some military academy to "avenge" recent hit in Ukraine... Im afraid

    He could but then the Russians are much better placed with air defence systems and Kiev really does not have a single weapon type that Russia cannot shoot down if they need to, so it would need more than just a graduation ceremony... it would need an unprotected graduation ceremony...

    The " Judge, " is out on the long Barrel ! Field testing will determine . I think a sidearm , firing 12 guage maybe the better option . Allowing ALL land troops to carry , without compromising their fighting ability . I like the dedicated firing stick , shown at first too ! I also like the Russian big shotgun ! That will work for sure , but needs dedicated soldier .

    A 12 gauge version will be much bigger and bulkier and would probably only be a 3 or 4 shot weapon whereas the 410 calibre version could be a 5 or 6 shot model.

    Pistols take more training to shoot effectively than rifles so I would say a proper AK based auto shotgun makes rather more sense most of the time.

    The US was developing a 12 gauge grenade launcher, I would say the Russian KS-23 is a good design to start from and could fire ammo with projectiles developed for the 23mm ammo they already use... but obviously at much lower velocity. There is a 23mm projectile that is airburst so loading that into a 4 bore case would be useful.


    Imagine the drones traveling more than 1,600 km without being detected over Russian or Belarussian airspace, unless it's approaching from West of Murnansk

    The useful thing is that when the remains of those drones are recovered they can analyse the electronics and determine where the drones took off from and determine their flight route.

    I suspect patterns will emerge which will highlight locations to keep an eye on in future.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Sep 13, 2024 10:53 am

    London and Kyiv are drinking champagne. In vain, by Kirill Strelnikov for RiaNovosti. 09.13.2024.

    According to Western media, the long-rumored issue of the British allowing Kyiv to use their long-range weapons, such as Storm Shadow missiles, to strike deep into Russia is a done deal and the blessing will be voiced at a meeting between British Prime Minister Starmer and US President Biden in Washington.

    There is also an equally exciting information leak being actively discussed that at the meeting between Zelensky and Biden, which is supposed to take place on the sidelines of the 78th session of the UN General Assembly , which opens next Tuesday in New York , it will be announced that Kiev will be allowed to use American ATACMS missiles to strike “old” Russia.

    And all this is happening against the backdrop of painful digging into a news hodgepodge of not-so-freshness, where Western officials hypnotize the audience with their Latin American pirouettes of “step forward – step back”: now we will resolve it, now we doubt it, now “we must definitely resolve it,” now “we must discuss it, there are risks,” and so on.

    In addition, there is still an echo of cries of "Is that all?!" after the statement by the press secretary of the Russian president Peskov that "there is no need to expect any kind of response everywhere" to the lifting of restrictions: "A special military operation is the response to all these actions."

    This mouse-like information fuss is genuinely surprising, if only because all the permissions have long been given and there is nothing to discuss here. For example, as recently as July 10 of this year, the same Starmer quite casually reported that Kiev has no restrictions and will decide for itself how and where to use Storm Shadow missiles. True, he made a reservation that these missiles will be used "exclusively for defensive purposes and in full compliance with international law", but based on the fact that the West considers any actions by Kiev to be "justified self-defense", everything is clear here, as well as with Ukraine's compliance with international law. Moreover, the lifting of restrictions was discussed at a meeting between Zelensky and the US and German defense ministers at the Ramstein Air Base on September 6 and was confirmed on August 18 by Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the Ukrainian presidential office.

    As for the "too soft" reaction of the Russian leadership to the lifting of restrictions for Kiev, the best answer to this was given by Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov , who noted that "US statements about work to lift restrictions on strikes with Ukrainian weapons deep into Russia are part of a psychological war." And this is indeed the case: by heating up the internal Russian discussion about our possible reaction to the lifting or non-lifting of restrictions on strikes deep into the "old" territories, we are with our own hands cementing in our own information field the thesis that strikes on the so-called "new" territories (including Crimea) are military routine, while strikes on the "old" ones are unacceptable, and, if anything, terrible punishment awaits someone.

    In other words, the Russian leadership is sending a clear message: there is nothing new in the latest wonder weapons, there will be no special or magical reaction, because all territories are equally important to us and we will fight all old-new and new-old threats with the same tenacity. There will be no separate decisions, because there can only be one final solution to the issue, which Vladimir Putin once again clearly and distinctly formulated : "The demilitarized line must be such and at such a distance from our territory that it would ensure security, I mean long-range weapons, primarily of foreign manufacture, which the Ukrainian authorities use to shell peaceful cities." That is, if any long-range weapon can threaten us from the Ukrainian border with Poland , well, that means the demilitarized zone will end there.

    As for the Storm Shadow wonder weapons, which could almost bring Kiev victory on a silver platter, the Russian air defense began successfully shooting down these cruise missiles back in Syria , and the shot-down samples were sent to Moscow for study. Subsequently, already within the framework of the SVO, the "Storm Shadows" were routinely and effectively shot down - in some cases literally in batches, for example: on October 30 last year, eight such missiles were shot down simultaneously, on January 22 this year - six missiles, and on March 24 - 11 missiles.

    Despite the obvious danger of this weapon, it has a number of limitations and disadvantages. In particular, these missiles can only be launched from specially equipped aircraft. Currently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have modernized Su-24s for this purpose, but their working number can be counted on the fingers of one hand. The F-16s transferred to Ukraine in this configuration cannot launch Storm Shadow, which is why Zelensky is begging for more aircraft.

    The maximum range of these missiles is calculated from their launch point. Considering that the already small Ukrainian Air Force is afraid to approach the zone of our air defense under threat of death, they can, in theory, launch Storm Shadow only from the rear areas of Ukraine, which sharply reduces their effective radius of destruction.

    The quantity of these missiles, due to the complexity and high cost of their manufacture, also cannot be large. According to intelligence data as of July 18 of this year, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had no more than 50 Western cruise missiles of all types at their disposal.

    In other words, the attitude towards the threats posed by the use of both Storm Shadow missiles and ATACMS should be neither complacent nor alarmist.

    One must understand one simple thing: the West has already given and will give permission to use any weapons against Russia, except those that carry the risk of starting a nuclear war (and here lies the danger in their assessments of where this line lies). The corresponding weapons will be given in the maximum available quantities, and hoping that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will "run out" of something is a dangerous delusion. The flywheel of the Western military-industrial complex has only just begun to spin: according to a recent report by the US Department of Defense, since the beginning of 2022, the Americans have invested 5.3 billion dollars in expanding ammunition production, and for some items, production growth is already going not by tens, but by hundreds of percent.

    This means that we need to forget the words "Well, just a little bit more, just a little bit more - and they'll deflate" or "We'll push them back, fix them - and they'll calm down." They won't deflate and they won't calm down. Our goal is the complete military defeat of Ukraine, and only such a result can guarantee that not a single Ukrainian wonder weapon will fall on our soil.

    Let's continue working.

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