Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

Vladimir Putin once again clearly and distinctly formulated : "The demilitarized line must be such and at such a distance from our territory that it would ensure security, I mean long-range weapons, primarily of foreign manufacture, which the Ukrainian authorities use to shell peaceful cities." That is, if any long-range weapon can threaten us from the Ukrainian border with Poland , well, that means the demilitarized zone will end there.

GarryB wrote:That is actually rather sad because with this statement:

Considering the condition of the bodies, they are there for a while, so they probably have been liquidated a while ago and left behind by comrades.

JohninMK wrote:Well it sounds like they heard Putin's clear words yesterday and decided that prudence was a virtue. Maybe the Democrats in the US will hide behind the words of peace at the UN to deflect any 'you didn't do all you could to help' criticism prior to the election?


UK Prime Minister Starmer Signals No Approval for Long-Range Strikes on Russia After Meeting with Biden

This was reported by the British channel ITV.

Earlier, Bloomberg mentioned that Ukraine is unlikely to receive approval for such strikes before the UN General Assembly in New York, which begins on September 22.
- RVvoenkor

Firebird wrote:Send some Kalibrs to a Houthi fishing boat off New York State. Problem solved.

ALAMO wrote:An interesting observation is, that the western societies were so deluded about their leading position and superiority, that hardly noticed how they fell into a carefully planned trap.
EU is stagnant for a decade, and this stagnation is an effect of steadily increasing debt emission.
So in real terms, EU is in decline stage for years.
After covid justified debt emission, the players from the backstage guaranteed two great goals.
First, they made the EU very deeply indebt - which was not a case before.
Second, by enormous and idiotic money emission, they spinned the debt spirale, leading to inflation and obligatory rise of interest rates.
So after a decade of zero cost debt, EU - and most of the "western economies oriented on values" were push under the bus of expensive debt rolling.
It will be western citizens who will pay the bills.
Hip hip hooray, mission accomplished. Real masters applaud.

ALAMO wrote:The US citizens are in exactly the same boat, only not noticing.
Income gap is steadily rising.
The rich are even more rich, and the poor even more poor.
Rust Belt looks even worse than it looked a decade ago.
Infrastructure is in agony.
There is no medical care, education, public transportation ...
Hey, at least they have Hollywood

Edit : I have an interesting observation.
There is a series The Rookie at Netflix. I have gone through all 5 sesons avaiable at the moment, and there was something that catched my attention immediatly.
The first observation was, that as the series is about police officers starting careere - they constantly claim about low income and what they can't afford. The list is impressive and sums up with general conclusion, that they can not afford a principial things like the cost of living. They are using "special apps" that help them distribute the income
Well, I do have some friends who are working in police, both here and in Germany - and it is a well paid job. You don't bother much about costs of living.
The second is even better. In the 5th seson, there is scene of how the boss is coming to New York, which is being portraited as a great, fancy and chic place.
Well, there is a scene made by a drone from above, how they drive via some "fancy and chic" streets.
The condition of it is shocking. The surface is cracked, full of holes, and represents some shithole in Africa standard rather than 25+ mln metropolis in a called "the wealthiest country of the planet". It represents a Moldovan standard, unseen in any of the EU countries.

Well ... that is a niche that can be joyfully swallowed, right? Europe do covers expenses for infrastructure, when those would fit easilly into some pockets, right ...?

JohninMK wrote:There is no way, with under 8 weeks until the US election, that the Democrat Party will allow the accusation that they did not do everything they could to help a major ally, in this case Ukraine, to in any way be used against them. It is therefore highly likely that attacks into Russia with US munitions will be allowed.

The US, under normal circumstances expecting a harsh Russian response, will be well aware that Putin is on a 6 week countdown to the hugely important BRICS meeting in Kazan and in turn will not want anything that Russia does to have any adverse effect on it. Putin being well aware that, if he can hold it together, BRICS++ is the biggest strategic weapon there will be to end the 'Rules based Order' that the US enforces.

To achieve its long term objectives Russia will be biting the missile bullet in terms of a direct response against the US/UK/France in the short to medium term but no doubt Ukraine and especially its transport and airfield infrastructure will suffer badly. If new supplies of these missiles never make it to the launch point many Western politicians will no doubt heave a sigh of relief.

GarryB wrote:Doesn't sound like they will be giving them permission to use long range weapons against Russian targets afterall...

Sounds a lot like they will be going the other way...

higurashihougi wrote: The ministry also used other “innovative ways of sourcing military equipment”, such as reverse-engineering replacement tracks for Soviet-era T72 tanks from samples at a tank museum in Dorset, the NAO noted.

ALAMO wrote:If Russkie will be dumb enough to hold a ceremony in a public place, telling the date and time a week in advance on X/TG, and gathering all the cadets in one place - yes, I would say they would deserve that ...

nomadski wrote:


The " Judge, " is out on the long Barrel ! Field testing will determine . I think a sidearm , firing 12 guage maybe the better option . Allowing ALL land troops to carry , without compromising their fighting ability . I like the dedicated firing stick , shown at  first too ! I also like the Russian big shotgun ! That will work for sure , but needs dedicated soldier .

Firebird wrote:Well hopefully you are right. Certainly, things are picking up a pace in recent months with (fingers crossed) relatively low casualties vs the demons.

I wonder how an operation east of the Dnieper would look.
Perhaps after taking Odessa, Russia could strange the Banderites from N to South ie Belarus to Transnistria/Odessa. And have a similar stranglepoint on Banderastan's Western border. Given the filth in Lvov etc are unlikely to "see the light", I wouldn't be averse to some American style heavy bombing there.

But it is clear, relinquishing the Western Ukr region is likely to cause problems in the future. No deals can be made with deceitful trash.

PhSt wrote:Ukraine (AKA NATzO Finland) launched drones to attack Olenya airbase In Murmansk.

The BRICS++ summit is nice and everything

But I'd argue that the West has a better strategic weapon than that

That of missiles impacting Russian factories, apartment complexes, power stations, etc... weekly, while NATO cities remain conspicuously missile-impact free.

This will quickly diminish whatever advantage Russia has in military production and economic growth and allow the West to pull ahead of it.
It will also make the prospect of BRICS membership less appealing for the countries of the world as there goes its biggest advocate..

Which is to say nothing of the BRICS++ summit itself either, and its rather dim prospects in the face of a missile threat against the city where its supposed to be hosted and the international airport serving it. I doubt it will even go on ahead in that case.

So no, Putin holding off on retaliation if NATO missiles start impacting Russia, in anticipation of the super-duper BRICS++ summit that will supposedly change everything in 6 weeks time - will be quite dumb indeed.

MMBR wrote:Storm shadow and other long range nato missiles are proven failures against Russian air defense.

They are also not manufactured in volume large enough to overwhelm air defense or do more than mosquito bites to Russia. They cannot break Russia bones let alone bruise Russia face or break her back.

They will only politically buy sympathy for Russia and reduce pressure on her to negotiate.

Russia could retaliate by sinking an aircraft carrier or nationalising all their Russian property

According to Cocainsky all is going as planned.
He is leading a death cult.

That the British have been picked as the standard-bearers is not a co-incidence, it was after all the prospect of the British sending their fleet to blockade St. Petersburg that played its part in convincing the Tsar to enter peace negotiations on concluding the Crimean War.

But of course the best bluff is the one that you're prepared to carry out, and just because the British missile strike threat has a political aim, that doesn't mean that it won't actually be carried out upon Russia's rejection of the implied ultimatum. If and when it is, then Russia will have to retaliate.

Send some Kalibrs to a Houthi fishing boat off New York State. Problem solved.

So no, Putin holding off on retaliation if NATO missiles start impacting Russia, in anticipation of the super-duper BRICS++ summit that will supposedly change everything in 6 weeks time - will be quite dumb indeed.

Exactly to this the West is not afraid of Russia and will seek confrontation unless they force Russia to capitulate.

It would probably have sufficed to get detailed schematics on T-72 tracks from the Ukrainians themselves, or leave the job to the Poles for that matter as the Poles actually manufactured T-72 variants, but hey leave it to the Brits to go about things in a roundabout way I suppose

Even if it was the case that you can win a conflict by only defending and never attacking back - then the simple fact remains that if Russia doesn't retaliate against British missile strikes against its own territory, i.e. it leaves a blatant act of war unchecked, it will quickly lead to the rest of NATO piling in with their own missile strikes too.

Nationalizing property is not a proportionate response to an attack by a foreign military against your country. It will only be interpreted as a sign of weakness and an invitation for the adversary to go further. The only message that can be understood is one of parity or escalation.