Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

Russia should get these 600 MM rockets from North Korea. Cheap, efficient and will be extremely effective against Ukrainian MBT regiments. Plus North Korea gets some much needed income.

flamming_python wrote:North Korea has a lot of cool shit, actually.

And yes if things with NATO escalate then we will be doing brisk business with them, you can bet

600 MM rockets will be much more effective than any Storm Shadow or similar cruise missile that Ukraine operates. And they come at a fraction of a cost. Even China hasn't developed 600MM. IIRC the max they have is 400MM.

Hole wrote:

Considering the condition of the bodies, they are there for a while, so they probably have been liquidated a while ago and left behind by comrades.

According to Cocainsky all is going as planned.
He is leading a death cult.

No complaints here, wish them many successes

They are prepared to sacrifice their embassies for that. But if they didn't think they could get away with it, if they thought it would actually lead to WW3, then they wouldn't dare. For as much as they fear losing their little empire and its printing press hegemony, they fear losing their lives more, as anyone would. wrote:

The problem is that the West has stopped fearing, fearing Russia's strategic nuclear weapons. At the beginning of the conflict, no one thought that the West would go so far.

Since the end of the Cold War it's pretty clear what the western elites are planning. Choke Russia and China with military expansion and economic sanctions. Since then NATzo has expanded from 16 to 32 nations towards the Russian border and China has been surrounded by hundreds of military bases in the Pacific.

Fortunately they miss-calculated big time and Western Europe is already feeling the pain. Endless war is an extremely expensive business and it may well be that the US will find themselves on a deserted island pretty soon.

Arrow wrote:

The problem is that the West has stopped fearing, fearing Russia's strategic nuclear weapons. At the beginning of the conflict, no one thought that the West would go so far.

Not really. Soviet and chinese did much more during Vietnam war to help north vietnamese than the nato is doing for Ukraine today.

Even France helped the argentinians agaibst the UK in the Malvinas war.

Nothing unusual.

This sort of things were stoped after the 90s but now the US started again. In any new conflict Russia willhelp anyone dealing with countries that helped Ukraine.

Only Israel and South Korea were smart enough to not get involved because Russia could arms Hezbollah or North Korea with advanced weapons and satelitte images. They understood very well what it meant to help Ukraine. Rest of the countries that helped won't be forgotten and if a war starts they will eat russian Iskanders and Geran 2 drones operated by local russian operators...

Arrow wrote:

The problem is that the West has stopped fearing, fearing Russia's strategic nuclear weapons. At the beginning of the conflict, no one thought that the West would go so far.

You've got it backwards, NATO is conducting this proxy war against Russia because they're afraid of a direct conflict that would lead to the use of strategic nuclear weapons. The most logical response to NATO permitting strikes against Russia proper is a 300km buffer zone inside of the Ukraine, basically what Putin already suggested.

Isos wrote:
Not really. Soviet and chinese did much more during Vietnam war to help north vietnamese than the nato is doing for Ukraine today.

That is very good comment.
In general, there is a giant gap between the things that are being officially pretended to the real stance of the whole of the west.
Polish ruling "elites" are among the biggest Russkie eaters up there - but only as long as nobody says "checking".
Wired by suprice, it turns out that private opinions hardly represent the same level of shit.
Vovan and Lexus just scammed Sikorsky, who is a clear CIA asset. Yet even him, thinking that he conversates in private with Poroshenko, claimed all different than he speaks openly.
The very same situation was with president Duda at the same circumstances - he clearly bend over and admitted that there is not a single serious idea about any sort of war with Russkie.
In the Vietnam war, a whole WarPac supplied Vietnam with tons of equipment. Thousands - literally thousands - of trucks were delivered by Poland only.
WarPac military fought alongside the Vietnamese, and that was quite official - Polish air defense soldiers and officers were there operating both V-750 and S-125. Same applies to military pilots, all sort of instructors who trained Vietcong on the ground.
This war is much more scary in verbal sphere rather than in official.
And it is so only because of overflooding with information, both actual and figured out.

Quite unfortunate. But arranging Ukrainian women for their incel men was always the intention of the West.

On September 14 of this year, as a result of the negotiation process, 103 Russian servicemen captured in the Kursk region were returned from the territory controlled by the Kiev regime.

In return, 103 prisoners of war of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were transferred.

Currently, all Russian servicemen are in the territory of the Republic of Belarus, where they are provided with the necessary psychological and medical assistance, as well as the opportunity to contact relatives.

All released servicemen will be taken to the Russian Federation for treatment and rehabilitation in medical institutions of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

Upon the return of Russian servicemen from captivity, the United Arab Emirates provided humanitarian mediation efforts.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12529218@egNews

Sujoy wrote:Quite unfortunate. But arranging Ukrainian women for their incel men was always the intention of the West.

https://x.com/GabeZZOZZ/status/1834624540132986890

Law abiding Ukrainians just doing what the Chancellor demanded - working to make a living

Arrow wrote:

The problem is that the West has stopped fearing, fearing Russia's strategic nuclear weapons. At the beginning of the conflict, no one thought that the West would go so far.

Even Finland is now targeting Russian military bases in Kola peninsula with drones. Finland has carried out at least two drone attacks to Kola peninsula in recent weeks.

All this can be traced back to Putin's numerous refusals to retaliate for attacks against Russia.

Now the only thing that prevents Russia's hostile neighbors from attacking Russia -  which is fear as you pointed out - has been removed.

I am a citizen of Finland and I have noticed and sensed the  change of mood here when it comes to Russia. Ten years ago Russia was seen as a big scary boogieman. It was hated then but also at least a little feared.

Today Russia is seen as an incompetent and weak oaf. The element of fear is not there anymore.

Putin warns West of entering war, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 09.14.2024.

Vladimir Putin has warned the West that there is only one step left before Russia will consider it directly at war with our country. Commenting on the discussion of the issue of allowing Ukraine to strike deep into Russian territory with Western long-range missiles, the president said that if this decision is made, the essence of the conflict will change. After all, the Ukrainian army itself is not capable of carrying out these strikes - they need data from NATO satellites, and Western servicemen will be responsible for entering flight assignments:

"Therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is a question of deciding whether NATO countries are directly involved in a military conflict or not.

If the decision is made, it will mean nothing less than the direct participation of NATO countries, the United States, and European countries in the war in Ukraine. This is their direct participation, and this, of course, significantly changes the very essence, the very nature of the conflict.

This will mean that NATO countries - the US , European countries - are at war with Russia."

So Putin equated permission to strike Russia with the West declaring war on us? In essence, yes. The President reminded the Anglo-Saxons (and the discussion was supposed to take place at a meeting between the American President and the British Prime Minister on Friday in Washington ) of the price of the issue. This is not a nuclear ultimatum - no matter how hard the West tries to talk about another Putin nuclear threat in response, this is an open warning that we are climbing another rung on the ladder of escalation (far from endless). Formally, Putin's warning is calm and careful - "and if this is so, then, bearing in mind the change in the very essence of this conflict, we will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created for us" - but in fact, this is a very serious warning. What did Putin mean and will the Anglo-Saxon leaders hear him?

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer responded on his way to Washington: "We are not looking for any conflict with Russia, we have no such intentions in the slightest," but "Kiev has the right to self-defense" and "we fully support it, <...> provide training and opportunities." It is clear that following the meeting between Starmer and Biden, there will be no statements about permission to strike at Russian territory - even if it were adopted (and it will not be adopted yet), it is not in the West's interests to talk about it now. Because the United States is not only not ready to climb the escalation ladder, but also does not want an escalation of the situation on the Ukrainian front in principle: on the eve of the elections, the Biden-Harris administration does not need a demonstration that another of its bets (on Russia's defeat) is losing. However, Moscow assumes that Kiev will still receive permission from the Anglo-Saxons - if not now, then in a month, and a successful offensive by the Russian army only brings closer the moment when the West will not be able to resist raising the stakes.

Therefore, Putin's warning is preemptive, so as not to be repeated later. What will Russia do after the first British missiles hit the Rostov region or Krasnodar region with the permission of the United States?

Of course, we should not expect a nuclear strike on Britain or American bases in Europe, but a rupture in diplomatic relations with London is becoming quite probable. The times when recalling ambassadors meant the start of a war are gone, but even now this measure is a strong demonstration of the extreme aggravation of the situation. Another form of response could be the deployment of a proxy war with the United States in the Middle East - and this is not only the supply of high-precision weapons to the Houthis. A complete freeze on the supply of strategic raw materials to the United States is also possible, as Putin recently spoke about.

Recognition of the US and Great Britain as countries at war with Russia will not lead to a fundamental change in the course of the war in Ukraine - we already understand that this is a conflict between us and the West for Western Russian lands (and indirectly - for a new world order) - but it will finally remove the question of the subjectivity of the Ukrainian government. Back in the spring, Russia, in fact, refused to recognize Zelensky as the president of Ukraine (after the expiration of his term in office), and we increasingly call Ukraine itself simply a tool, an instrument in the hands of the West. Not only the attitude, but also the announcement of the US and Great Britain as countries in a state of war with Russia will eliminate the ambiguity of the situation. The war from a semi-civil, semi-anti-Western one will finally become a war with the West (even if it is fought by a part of our own people) - and will leave us no choice but victory.

https://ria.ru/20240914/voynv-1972598774.html

Russian MoD reporting 2390 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including;

During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 300 military personnel, and 15 armored vehicles, including two tanks, an armored personnel carrier and 12 armored combat vehicles, as well as two artillery pieces, an engineering barrier vehicle and five vehicles. Five servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were captured.

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 13,100 troops, 110 tanks, 44 infantry fighting vehicles, 87 armored personnel carriers, 703 armored combat vehicles, 423 vehicles, 95 artillery pieces, 26 multiple rocket launchers, including seven HIMARS and five MLRS manufactured by the United States, 8 anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, two transport-loading vehicles, 26 electronic warfare stations, 7 counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, 13 units of engineering equipment, of which seven engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12529223@egNews

Karl Haushofer wrote:
Even Finland is now targeting Russian military bases in Kola peninsula with drones. Finland has carried out at least two drone attacks to Kola peninsula in recent weeks.

No time for chit chat - you should be honing your prepping and digging skills. Like your chihuahua friends, NATzo is not going to help much when the shit hits the fan. It's like the job market going sour - last in - first out.

Mir wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:
Even Finland is now targeting Russian military bases in Kola peninsula with drones. Finland has carried out at least two drone attacks to Kola peninsula in recent weeks.

No time for chit chat - you should be honing your prepping and digging skills. Like your chihuahua friends, NATzo is not going to help much when the shit hits the fan. It's like the job market going sour - last in - first out.  

I don't agree with Finnish policies. I did not want this country to join the NATO either.

And Finland should definitely not be targeting critical military infrastructure in Kola peninsula (as it is now).

But I pointed out the reason why Finland is doing this. It is because the decision makers in Finland see Russia as weak and unable or unwilling to retaliate.

And I'm afraid that Finland is correct in it conclusion. Russia's leadership and government are restrained to an extreme. So restrained that it has become a weakness instead of a strength.

It would be all great if Russia's hostile neighbors would react to Russia's non-retaliation policies in the same manner. But they are not. They interpret it as weakness and continue to escalate.

Just a few years ago it would have been unthinkable for Finland to carry out military strikes against Russia. But here we are.

The BBC was afraid to sue me.

Here's what they first wrote in their article:

"She [Simonyan] called for cracking down on Russian oppositionists "by hanging" and offered to "send troops" deep into Europe."

That's what they write instead of this lie now:

'The previous version of this article, prepared by a BBC staff member in London, contained an incorrect translation of statements made by Margarita Simonyan on a TV show in April. We have removed them from the text of the publication.'

Translators always get in the way of a bad editorial

https://t.me/margaritasimonyan/14272

Karl Haushofer wrote:
It would be all great if Russia's hostile neighbors would react to Russia's non-retaliation policies in the same manner. But they are not. They interpret it as weakness and continue to escalate.

Just a few years ago it would have been unthinkable for Finland to carry out military strikes against Russia. But here we are.

I hope you understand that this may turn out to be the last mistake at all and Finland will simply cease to exist, right?
Compared to Finland, Russia is a Leviathan against a small midge. If a Leviathan is bitten by a midge, it will either not pay attention to it, or its response will be so disproportionate that the midge will be destroyed.
Currently, right now Finland is already paying with an economic recession for its hostile policy towards Russia. If they want to keep shooting themselves in the dick, well, Finland will probably cease to exist as a state in the coming decades.

Scorpius wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Mir wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:
It would be all great if Russia's hostile neighbors would react to Russia's non-retaliation policies in the same manner. But they are not. They interpret it as weakness and continue to escalate.

Just a few years ago it would have been unthinkable for Finland to carry out military strikes against Russia. But here we are.

I hope you understand that this may turn out to be the last mistake at all and Finland will simply cease to exist, right?

Why are you asking me this? I don't make the decisions of our government.

But I think Finland is safe as long as Putin is in charge in Russia. What comes after him is another thing.