Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

It's is skynews so the source isn't the best.
The Fatah-360 is similar to Tochka-U , same range, more accurate, slightly slower and similar warheads. The Fatah uses Glonass and inertial navigation system as a backup. This would free up Iskander to be used on targets further away or need a heavier warhead. Although you could fire more then one at a target if needed. I wonder North Korea ever sent some of it's Tochka copy missiles to Russia it's also very similar to the Fatah and called KN-02 Toksa.

Either way Ukraine getting some more missiles fired at it.

Ukraine war: Iran 'sends hundreds of missiles to Russia' in 'dramatic escalation'

Iran is believed to have sent more than 200 ballistic missiles to Russia - a move security chiefs say would be a "dramatic escalation" of its defence partnership with Moscow.

A Russian ship delivered the short-range Fatah-360 missiles from Tehran to a port in the Caspian Sea, a Ukrainian source told Sky News on Saturday.

Ukraine and its allies in the West have long feared that Iran has been supplying Russia with ballistic missiles.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/ukraine-war-iran-sends-hundreds-of-missiles-to-russia-in-dramatic-escalation-13211063

Like an Iranian MP?

Most likely Russia is offering Iran field testing of its hardware. Why not use a few samples in real combat? I agree with sepheronx that narratives about
Russia needing to import missiles because it can't manufacture enough for its needs are total BS.

You guys are really impregnated



Think for a moment, and leave the outrage that Mother Russia needs some help in anything

Every single target located more than 70 km away, must be attacked with Iskander, or by the airforce.
Both being expensive.
And - in the case of Iskander - being a serious overkill.
They are making a downgraded version of it for a reason, you know?
Inexpensive Iranian missiles with a range of 100-300km will perfectly fill up a niche that Russkie have empty at the moment. Only the newest - and not widespread - Tornado-S with the newest missiles reach 120 km.
Killing a single piece of Czechoslovakia-made, 50 years old Grad derivative with Iskander is like shooting the flies with a machine gun.

ucmvulcan wrote:win win win situation for everyone.  

Not so much for banderites

More info as time passes, a disaster for the UA.

ALAMO wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f12/20/35/00/30/photo352.jpg

Summarize of the content: "Yeah we buff up Russia and so what, what can you do ?"

Or "you can't do more than you are doing now, but we can do much more".

Knowledgeable or stupid?

I guess both
On one hand, this thing is being detonated by a serious strike of the ship hull that pushes one of the "hedhodges".
Pushing it by hand, rolling with its own weight/pressure etc - should not affect it.
On the other hand, ukrs have used mines made in the 40s, which should have been decommissioned and disassembled 30 years ago - but we do know how to better use the money, right?

kvs wrote:Most likely Russia is offering Iran field testing of its hardware.   Why not use a few samples in real combat?   I agree with sepheronx that narratives about
Russia needing to import missiles because it can't manufacture enough for its needs are total BS.  

That's not bullshit. The only ballistic missile they have is the Iskander which is now an overkill system for any target. They need a dumb but precise ballistic missile that can hit a target within 15min after its launch.

Ukraine has no more ABM systems. So the ecpensive counter measure + evasive is useless.

Iskander is also limited to 500km and the Iskander 1000 will be just as complicated and expensive as Iskander.

IMO they will buy a production line like for the Geran-2 and call it with a russian name. The missile in question was said to be in the range of 700-1000km so nothing like a Toshka.

They have been producing Gerans for a very long time.
Geran is already a Russian name of "Shaheed".

A very dark, grim, and horrible future for Ukraine.

Any Global South country that used to be or is suffering under Western imperialist yoke knows full well what that means.

By the way I want to give Graham a compliment for his honesty.

ALAMO wrote:They have been producing Gerans for a very long time.
Geran is already a Russian name of "Shaheed".

Forgot to write "like". They will buy a production line for that iranian BM like they did for the Geran drones.

That's not bullshit. The only ballistic missile they have is the Iskander which is now an overkill system for any target. They need a dumb but precise ballistic missile that can hit a target within 15min after its launch. wrote:

Iskander/Kinzhal can be used in situations where flight time is important, a few minutes to carry out a surprise strike, etc. Command centers, airports with planes, bunkers, etc. Of course, the production of Russian cruise missiles or ballistic Iskanders has increased many times. It's amazing, but for example, apart from the fact that Russian cruise missiles are the most advanced, they probably have the largest arsenal of them in the world.

I don't believe that they are peddling the story that Russia is running out of missiles and can't make any more but rather Russia being intelligent and buying a less sophisticated missiles from a country that's selling cheap. Russia has most certainly ran out of tochka missiles and most likely stopped making then years back. After Syria conflict and now Ukraine their stocks on such will be gone so as others have stated why waste and iskander on something that would be overkill. Iran has already supplied drones in the form of geran. So why not this? Russia of course could start production again on tochka but it's most likely those who worked on it's production are retired. And setting up production and training new staff takes time and money and they would be producing a missile that's not as accurate as the Iranian version or they could cut all that time and money out and just buy a tried and tested missile that's fit for purpose. I mentioned a while back they could have used Polonez M from Belarus for the same effect. I would imagine in the future Russia will make their version of a cheaper BM with around Mach 5-6 and payloads varying from 150kg-500kg and a range of 150km-500km that has a CEP of 10m of less.

Russia will make their version of a cheaper BM with around Mach 5-6 and payloads varying from 150kg-500kg and a range of 150km-500km that has a CEP of 10m of less. wrote:

Or even longer range. INF is dead, Russia can now develop MRBMs and IRBMs.

Lindsey ( is a girl's name ) wants to exploit Ukrs resources ? There were resources in Afghanistan too ! A big lithium mine . But what American company could take risks and operate there ? What would you want to destroy above ground with a missile of 150 kg warhead but range of 1000 km ? A soft target , AD or plane . The Fab tactic works well , no need to complicate the stew . As long as planes can safely fly .

A very large city can not be easily encircled , must make frontal assault , no siege possible . A large city can be encircled only partially , frontal assault still needed . A medium town can be encircled , siege possible . A small town or village , allows siege , but with overwhelming forces , frontal assault may be more speedy or efficient . I have seen more frontal assaults by Russia , than efforts to lay siege . Are we going to see a change ?

NATzO propaganda is that China, Iran and North Korea are propping Russia up. That without them, Russia would have lost the war because it would
run out of missiles, shells, etc. Since this obvious BS is not being put in proper context with all these "Iran supplied XYZ to Russia" posts, it is fair to
call them out as BS as well.

kvs wrote:NATzO propaganda is that China, Iran and North Korea are propping Russia up.   That without them, Russia would have lost the war because it would
run out of missiles, shells, etc.   Since this obvious BS is not being put in proper context with all these "Iran supplied XYZ to Russia" posts, it is fair to
call them out as BS as well.  

You are overreacting, to the level of losing common sense.
Russkie would have been dumb, not benefiting from the PPP scam.
If they can buy a bullet, round, or a missile made in an economy they can leverage at a 1/10 ratio - they must have been dumb not to do so.
And YES, all the countries you named, are propping up Russia.
You need to be really impregnated to deny it.
Tons of evidence of Russkie using Chinese, Korean, and Iranian stuff.
They have been already recorded using shit made in Myanmar
Your devotion to believing in holly Mother Russia being dumb enough not to benefit clear surpluses jumps out of the box.

Isos wrote:The only ballistic missile they have is the Iskander which is now an overkill system for any target. They need a dumb but precise ballistic missile that can hit a target within 15min after its launch.

Ukraine has no more ABM systems. So the ecpensive counter measure + evasive is useless.

Where is the need for another ballistic missile when Ukraine's ABM systems are gone. Now Russia can send the Su 35 deep inside Ukraine.

Where is the need for another ballistic missile when Ukraine's ABM systems are gone. Now Russia can send the Su 35 deep inside Ukraine. wrote:

Probably not. Still too big a risk. Ukraine still has AD systems. It is repairing the S-300PS and getting more systems from the West.

jhelb wrote:
Where is the need for another ballistic missile when Ukraine's ABM systems are gone. Now Russia can send the Su 35 deep inside Ukraine.

Russia doesn't need anymore aircraft shot down by various AD systems. Ukrainian air defence but be thin on the ground but it be stupid to risk pilots lives for such a task. And Su-35 don't travel at Mach 4 or 5+ ballistic missiles fly faster giving Ukraine less chance to react and they arent easy to shot down and no life lost if shot down. Every piece of equipment has its own role it's good at. And don't forget they still get supplied western systems just recently Spain giving them a battery of Hawks