Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

ALAMO wrote:
You are overreacting, to the level of losing common sense.
Russkie would have been dumb, not benefiting from the PPP scam.
If they can buy a bullet, round, or a missile made in an economy they can leverage at a 1/10 ratio - they must have been dumb not to do so.
And YES, all the countries you named, are propping up Russia.
You need to be really impregnated to deny it.
Tons of evidence of Russkie using Chinese, Korean, and Iranian stuff.
They have been already recorded using shit made in Myanmar  
Your devotion to believing in holly Mother Russia being dumb enough not to benefit clear surpluses jumps out of the box.

Trade is not support. Nobody is propping up Russia. These weapons were all bought and paid for.

If anything Russia is the one propping up these shitholes. Without Russia hogging up all the bandwitdh of NATO's destabilization arms Iran would be color revolutioned, China would have its economy imploded by the traitors embedded in their financial system and North Korea will be... well North Korea.

Ukraine and its allies in the West have long feared that Iran has been supplying Russia with ballistic missiles.

The west has long claimed Russia has run out of bombs and missiles and ammo... no doubt with western support for the Ukraine in its conflict with Russia, the Russians have decided to support Iran in any future conflict it might have with the US/UK/EU/Israel, so they will have sent all sorts of goodies the Iranians can use to deal with western attacks... if Iran has sent to Russia some cheap simple shorter ranged missiles they can use so they can free up their own missiles to deal with longer ranged targets then that makes sense.

Of course the west will claim it is proof that Russia has run out of missiles and relies on missiles from Belarus, Iran, North Korea, and China... which is propaganda BS.

You guys are really impregnated

The west lies so much it makes sense to not trust anything they say ever.

Occasionally you are wrong, but most of the time you are right when you bet on something the western media says is a lie.

Knowledgeable or stupid?

Very very stupid... that is something they should not approach and alert the authorities about to be dealt with by experts.

That's not bullshit. The only ballistic missile they have is the Iskander which is now an overkill system for any target. They need a dumb but precise ballistic missile that can hit a target within 15min after its launch.

They have Iskander in serial mass production, and it is not that expensive.

Simplified models would be easy to develop and produce, but really now the INF treaty is gone it would make more sense to develop a complete new family of semi ballistic missiles using rocket/scramjet propulsion with greatly increased flight speed and a wide range of range options.... they could make them modular with some being sophisticated to defeat the strongest air defences and others more basic when the air defences have been dealt with and targets just need to be hit.

No doubt NK and Iran and China and Belarus all have interesting systems they will want to test and Russian will have systems they think each of these countries will benefit from in any future conflict with the west, so it certainly makes sense for them to do this.

The west opened pandoras box... this is what they should have been expecting.

Ukraine has no more ABM systems. So the ecpensive counter measure + evasive is useless.

That is not true, an evading missile is harder to hit than a missile going straight for the target.

Iskander is also limited to 500km and the Iskander 1000 will be just as complicated and expensive as Iskander.

Not at all... in fact one way to extend Iskanders range would be to give it external control surfaces so it can manouver and adjust its flight direction to still hit targets after its rocket motor has burned out. When traveling at mach 7 coasting for a few seconds adds tens of kms to your flight range....

By the way I want to give Graham a compliment for his honesty.

The devil does not know he is the bad guy...

He is delighted with what is happening and only sees dead Russians and could care less about dead Ukrainians or other western dead trying to fight the Russians. He even said he would help look for retired F-16 pilots to die for his cause of arse raping the Ukraine for its resources and mineral deposits...

The fact that he does not even hide it should not be complimented... it should be used in evidence... he is so dumb he thinks arguments for rich white men who own companies in the US for this war... namely making lots and lots of money, is a good reason for everyone to support Kiev and help to murder Russians or die trying.

This ghoul is too stupid to realise how evil he actually is.

And YES, all the countries you named, are propping up Russia.
You need to be really impregnated to deny it.

No they are not. If Russia could not get missiles or arms or ammo from these countries Russia would not run out of its own supplies and would not suddenly start to lose this conflict.

Plus I don't think impregnated means what you think it means????

Tons of evidence of Russkie using Chinese, Korean, and Iranian stuff.
They have been already recorded using shit made in Myanmar Twisted Evil
Your devotion to believing in holly Mother Russia being dumb enough not to benefit clear surpluses jumps out of the box.

Much of that "evidence" was Russian forces using captured material from the enemy that was sourcing ammo and weapons from anywhere they could get it, including the black market. Serbia didn't sell any weapons or ammo to Ukraine but Ukraine got Serbian ammo and weapons from third party customers... does that mean Serbia is supplying nazis? Well indirectly, but not intentionally.

And that is exactly what I call impregnation.

What sort of offspring are the result?

Yet you are still the one who denies Russkie using cluster ammunition in it.

They didn't use them widely, otherwise the west would have jumped up and down and claimed it was a war crime.

Once the US admitted they were delivering cluster munition rounds for artillery because they had nothing else to deliver then Russia acknowledged that and started widespread use of cluster munitions themselves. Before that their use was limited or non existent... and in many ways was counterproductive.

But against enemy troops spread out they are a very effective way of dealing with soft targets.

There is a fukin' FACTORY made in Russia with Iranian assistance to produce Geraniums...

The Russians tested Iranian drones in Syria and decided they liked a few... that fucking factory was not built after this conflict started... it was built before it started and those licence produced Iranian drones use Russian components and I rather suspect they also have sold components to Iran to improve the navigation performance of their version of the drones using GLONASS to improve accuracy.

They are using NK supplied artillery ammo - you can watch the soldiers making comparisons of the differently sourced rounds. There is even some yapping of how NK cartridges are substandard.
Republican tank units were presenting clearly Chinese originated 125mm rounds being loaded ...

So you claim.

Russkie have a wide niche in 120-500 km distance, that is perfectly fine filled with multiple weapon systems its allies can provide. Honestly, I am confused as to why they still don't use Belarusian Polonez system that fits their needs perfectly well. Maybe Belarus does not have the production capacity needed.

Or maybe you are just wrong.

Iskander was in serial mass production a decade before this conflict started... you assume NK copies are compatible with Russian launchers and Russian C4ISTAR?

If someone is so deep into the denial stage - arguing is just a waste of time one can use for scratching his balls.

Yeah... I am the deluded one because the west always tells the truth and never lies ever...

Well, this is your guess only.
Put yourself in others shoes.
All that countries know perfectly well, that they are on the menu.
As long as Russia is fighting western dominance, it gives them space to breath.

And here is your delusion... Russia can't do it... they have to have donations and support of non standard gear that has never been tested or used by their military before because war is a video game and you just pick up enemy kit off the battlefield and use it and nobody worries about that...

Being Xi, would you consider helping your ally for free, knowing that otherwise, your enemies would meddle in Taiwan twice as much?
I would, but I am not Xi

Yes, that is Russia... hand out all the time... the rest of the world owes it big time and should give money and resources and production contracts.

I would say Russia would be more interested in electronic components than artillery shells... their production of the items themselves and also the raw materials is rather healthy.

The Soviet Union did not fight for " international equality" what a romanticized view of what it really was and there are reasons why people demonize the USSR, ignoring all of its dirty deeds because you want to stare with rose tinted glasses is misguided.

They were anti colonial, which is essentially the same. The Americans seemed to want to be anti colonial too but ended up being the worst colonial power of them all.

A government`s first responsibility is to its people. Very basic I know but the Soviets are too stupid to figure this one out. Throwing invaluable blood and treasure at ultimately useless pursuits while the ordinary citizen at home lacks basic necessities does not make good governance.

Russia isn't handing its national treasure out to the worlds poor... it is teaching them to fish and supporting their endeavours to grow and develop to get them out of the poverty trap. The west kept them down so they could use them as a resource and a currency... a slave class.

and this is one of many reasons why they fell

They fell because they were fighting the west while carrying the european east and as a burden they were just too much.

The Putin way is to help them to help themselves... something you would think would be the American way if you watched any Hollywood movie, but the US is more colonial than anything that grew and developed in Europe.

Every hohol FPV pilot must be summarily executed by the wars end. Disgusting animals.

Every Russia-Africa summit is being visited by an endless stream of African officials who are in their 50+s.
Speaking Russian.
Wonder why? Laughing
Laotian MoD speaks fluent Russian.
Wonder why? Laughing
Myanmar MoD speaks Russian - not very good but anyway.
Wonder why? Laughing
A friend of mine from Cameroon who works as a doctor in Germany, speaks perfect Russian.
Wonder why? Laughing
Every single Mongolian high ranking official, scientist or businessmen speaks Russian.
wonder why? Laughing

Wasn't it Vann that complained about the weak Russian and Soviet soft power that lets the west win in areas of Hollyweird and computer games and winning hearts and minds in the west?

Well the rest of the world is the majority and it makes more sense to look that direction... I have been saying this since the 1990s that the rest of the world is the majority and if you don't think numbers matter try to work out the power of the Chinese with their hundreds of millions of minds in universities working on problems and developing things.

BTW there is a youtube video series of a Russian guy that speaks about 5 Asian languages fluently and he often goes into Asian restaurants and speaks to the people there in their native languages which shocks them of course because few white people bother to learn the languages of the damn natives whose countries they occupy and exploit...  many look genuinely shocked and it seems his accents are pretty convincing.

Those figures are a bunch of crap. Ukraine has some fertile lands for agriculture and nothing interesting.

The numbers will be guesses and most of the time the population living on the ground prevent proper efficient extraction.

The reason those figures are closer to reality is that in 2014 the population of the eastern areas identified as pro Russian and therefore occupiers of Ukrainian land no matter how long they have lived there and so with the population living on top of the resources now being expendable when you remove them you can get at those resources far cheaper and easier and don't even need to spend money restoring the environment or worry about polluting streams and waterways.

US want Ukraine to destroy Russia and in fine encircle China and India that are growing their power very quickly. Living standards are getting at decebt level and that's populations that will overpass the west simply by being 4 times bigger.

Progress is more beneficial when everyone benefits and grows and develops. Communication of good ideas means such good ideas can be built upon to further progress and growth, which speeds things up and makes things easier.

The American/Western model involves hoarding technology and resources so they can be rented out to those who want access so you don't have to continue to progress or develop... and consumerism... making things that don't last and you need this years model now because it is not just a phone, it is also a status symbol.

Then we will have to spend a very long time (using various calibers of small arms and artillery) proving “in international courts” that the referendum was fake, thereby laying the groundwork for international (including forceful) challenging of the results of the referendums in Crimea, LPR and DPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson. And also providing the Kyiv regime with weighty arguments in those negotiations that the West is increasingly talking about and some of our businessmen and politicians are yapping about.

That is the difference... Kiev is trying to fabricate shit to impress the west and the so called international community. The Russians didn't hold the referendums in Crimea or in the other Ukrainian regions... the people held those referendums for themselves and those referendums were legitimate... unlike anything the Ukrainians might try which will be propaganda western BS that is meaningless.

Let them present such evidence to the ICC and have them decide that all referendums are void... who cares what they think or say.

Crimea is Russian and these new Russian regions are now Russia and unless you arrive with a peace making international force on Russian territory that is not going to change.

Any UN BS will be vetoed by Russia and probably China too.

No, it's not #всёпропало . It's just that this is a scenario that is actually feasible at this stage, and it would be very stupid of us not to foresee it...

Totally pointless... plus they can't even pay their own soldiers... how are they going to be paying these civilians?

It is like a comedy ! A deadly comedy . Keep thinking that they need short range weapons , like shotgun to shoot drones at close range . Either that or a butterfly net , on a long telescopic pole ! ( the soldiers can make it themselves with own money , and carry , DIY ) . Yes seriously .

The problem is that a shotgun is the size of an assault rifle and the ammo is much heavier and bulkier too... most soldiers might never find themselves in that situation.

If you say it is only a couple of kgs... well an underbarrel grenade launcher is lighter than a shotgun and can be used as a grenade launcher when there are no enemy drones around.

A shotgun load for the 40mm grenade would make the most sense without needing to worry about having a 12 gauge adapter...
From what I have heard the shotgun adapter for the 40mm grenade launcher is awkward and not very useful or popular.

At one stage there was a US alternative to the 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher that was a short barreled pump action shotgun attached to a rifle.

You could carry it as an option in various computer games... they called it the masterkey because it was used with solid slugs and mainly used to open doors by destroying their locks.

I always thought it was interesting but the added weight was excessive... it would make more sense arming a soldier with a Saiga shotgun with an underbarrel SMG like a Klin or Kedr so they could use the shotgun at short ranges and the SMG out to 150-200m. It would be a potent weapon in close combat, but not really a good replacement for an assault rifle.

A rifle , barrel launched ( the bullet driving the special net  ) grenade can be designed . The net grenade ,once launched , using small rockets , opens net in flight , and captures drone .

The solution has already been shown... that 12 gauge round with kevlar strands with lead weights attached... a 40mm grenade sized model would be rather effective... and be able to contain rather more kevlar strands. Fit lead weights along its length and make a net shape so as the lead weights spread out in flight it draws the net out... the drag would be rather high though so I doubt it would be effective at much more than 50m.

....but such things would take time to develop and test....

Every hohol FPV pilot must be summarily executed by the wars end. Disgusting animals.

This centuries sniper or flame thrower operator. Ours are heros, but theirs are cads of the worst kind.

This discussion has become tedious.

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An interesting article of Bloomberg about Kursk.

Bloomberg began the article with Zelensky's claim about "unprecedented large scale" campaign in Kursk, about how "red line" of Russia was crossed and Western powers should provide more aid, about how Kursk could be used as leverage...

However there is a twist. Despite being "impressed", even Western countries really doubt about the long term success of the Kursk gamble. And the West also did not want to send all of its fortune to support Ukraine, and did not really support long range weapon to Kiev.

The West also acknowledged that what Ukraine occupied in Kursk is too small and does not really represent any red lines.

They acknowledged that Russia did not send a very large reinforcements to Kursk.

And the more Kursk battle prolongs, the more losses that Ukraine will suffer in all other sector.

Notably, Poland's military representative in USA pointed out that this incoming winter will be very difficult for Ukraine, as Russia will make a counter offensive in Kursk.

Meanwhile, USA experts did not see any significant fortifications and minefileds of Ukraine in Kursk. Probably the Ukraine is not ready for a defensive preparation here or they still hope to get more land.

- The Maidan want to attack Wei to save Zhao. The problem is that Russia is not Wei, but Qin.

- Yeah yeah red line. These Maidans can never smell their desired red line even in a thousand of years.

- In 1918 spring attacks, Germany failed because they occupied land but their logistic tail was too weak to follow. Probably the Ukrainian is still not realize that they are even in the worse position than Germany.

- Russian territory is huge. Do the Maidan idiots think they can occupy Russia ?

- There is no occupied territory in the Kursk style of warfare, there can only be discrete points that Ukrainian forces is stationed. There is no continuous lines of defense and which mean Russians can inflitrate to Ukrainian rear. Actually, they are doing, and FPV is waiting on the possible Ukrainian retreat route.

So Ukraine attacked not less than 8 regions in Russia overnight, including Moscow... two international airports are closed and there were quite big explosions around Moscow - so their citizens heard it and saw it, more would come upcoming months.

Were they massive thrusts by groups of 10K plus forces of trained soldiers?

Or desperate last throw of the dice attempts to seem relevant so the cheques they are getting from Europe and the US will clear and they can buy houses in exotic places?

The more they attack the more resources they burn up, even their successes are ineffectual and pointless... they might get lots of likes on Tik Tok, but ultimately when no one returns home from such missions morale is not going to stay high.

But keep cheering the nazis... you deserve each other.

Earlier, Vladimir Putin said that negotiations on Ukraine should be based on the parameters agreed in Istanbul in 2022, and not on "ephemeral demands". At the same time, the Russian President noted that Kiev is satisfied with the Istanbul agreements, but the West "has issued an order to fight to the last Ukrainian".

Over time the deal should be getting worse...

BTW the heroes of Kiev killed a 9 year old kid and targeted civilian areas in Moscow...

I am sure Putin will surrender and give nice terms... not.



Kiev kills a 9 year old kid in massive strike and Russia kills 2,000 Ukrainian soldiers a day... who do you think is going to win...

GarryB wrote:
This centuries sniper or flame thrower operator. Ours are heros, but theirs are cads of the worst kind.

Can't be wrong enough on this.

I have literally never seen Russian troops engage in psychopathic behavior or displayed unnecessary cruelty in this conflict. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Even the far right paramilitaries.

Only exception are the chechens and churkas. Some of these people are animals undeserving of the uniform. Authors of riveting displays like beheading prisoners alive and pissing down the neckhole type of savagery.