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GarryB 10/09/24, 11:39 pm

I have literally never seen Russian troops engage in psychopathic behavior or displayed unnecessary cruelty in this conflict. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Have to agree, and wasn't implying the Russians would do such a thing. Professional soldiers know such actions might feel good at relieving stress at the time but ultimately bite you in the arse when the other side responds in kind.

In fact I have seen a video of a Russian drone operator flying down near a wounded Ukrainian soldier... the first pass it drops a water bottle but the Orc thinks it is a weapon and moves away... the drone comes back with a first aid pack and still the ukraine soldier is wary... third time the drone drops a radio and tells the soldier he can surrender...

Never seen the Orcs do such things.

In Afghanistan the Soviets had the Afghans to some rather disturbing things... suggest you don't look up Puppet in that regard.

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franco 10/09/24, 11:45 pm

Russian MoD reporting 2555 Ukrainian casualties during the past 24 hours including;

During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to more than 380 servicemen and 15 armored vehicles, including two tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, as well as three artillery pieces and 11 vehicles.

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 11,800 troops, 93 tanks, 42 infantry fighting vehicles, 74 armored personnel carriers, 649 armored combat vehicles, 382 vehicles, 89 artillery pieces, 24 multiple rocket launchers, including seven HIMARS and five MLRS, 8 anti-aircraft missile launchers, two transport-loading vehicles, 22 electronic warfare stations, 7 counter-battery warfare radars, two air defense radars, 8 units of engineering equipment, of which two engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12528691@egNews

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franco 10/09/24, 11:55 pm

Statement by the Russian Ministry of Defense

During the past night, 144 Ukrainian aircraft-type UAVs were destroyed and intercepted by air defense systems on duty during an attempt by the Kiev regime to carry out a terrorist attack using unmanned aerial vehicles on objects on the territory of the Russian Federation.
-72 UAVs over the territory of the Bryansk region,
-20 over the territory of the Moscow region,
-14 over the territory of the Kursk region,
-13 over the territory of the Tula region,
-eight over the territory of the Belgorod region,
-seven over the territory of the Kaluga region,
-five over the territory of the Voronezh region,
-four over the territory of the Lipetsk region and
-one over the territory of the Oryol region areas.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12528616@egNews

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higurashihougi 11/09/24, 12:20 am

https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid02V7bsQDXVxptFyk3BgjZr5TiHuQjCVtSzER3kdpHH6Qka6ro4ia8TrAQKx1F3PJ2tl

The Swedes announced 5 bil. USD aid for Ukraine, including material parts of JAS 39 Gripen, 40mm ammo for CV-90s, small drones, and others.

We need to take note the purchasing price of Gripen and other materials, and considering the very small scale of Sweden, we can see that the real number of Gripen for Ukraine will be very few.

The Swedes are probably upset after their mercenaries was destroyed by Iskander strike and are attempt to take revenge.

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GarryB 11/09/24, 12:52 am

If this is a decision based on revenge that means at least a years training to learn to fly the aircraft which will be rather different from the F-16 to fly and arm and operate... even the mission planning systems will be different no doubt... Ukraine will collapse before Gripens are of any use assuming they manage to get airborne in the first place.

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Rodion_Romanovic 11/09/24, 02:20 am

If Sweden continues in this idiotic approach there will be consequences.

Gotland (second largest Island in the Baltic sea) could be a good penalty.

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caveat emptor 11/09/24, 02:56 am

Arrow wrote:https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2847344/

Russia's Special

Shoigu: Russia was ready to abandon attacks on energy facilities

Ukraine rejected Turkey's proposal not to strike energy facilities, Shoigu said.

The Security Council Secretary said that the Russian Federation agreed to refrain from attacks on energy facilities shortly before Kiev's attempted invasion of Kursk Oblast, but Ukraine withdrew from the negotiations.

Sergei Shoigu, Secretary of the Security Council of Russia: "Turkey suggested that we not strike energy facilities, not strike nuclear power plants, not strike civilian merchant fleets in the Black Sea. Our president made a decision and said: 'Yes, let's make this decision.' It was a big surprise for us when after some time they (the Ukrainian authorities) said: "No, no, no, we will not agree to this agreement". And when Kursk happened, it became clear to us what is meant by nuclear power facilities".

Shoigu added that by attacking Kursk region, Kyiv wanted to persuade the Russian Federation to negotiate on its own terms and emphasized that Russia will not hold negotiations until the Ukrainian Armed Forces are "thrown out" from the territory of the Russian Federation.

Shoigu also said that resolving the Ukrainian crisis will be one of the main topics of the BRICS meeting, which will be held in St. Petersburg on September 10-12, and noted that the main peace initiatives were put forward by Brazil and China. At the same time, the Secretary of the Security Council emphasized that the Russian Federation has many different peace agreements on the table, but all of them "are based on the Istanbul version".

Earlier, Vladimir Putin said that negotiations on Ukraine should be based on the parameters agreed in Istanbul in 2022, and not on "ephemeral demands". At the same time, the Russian President noted that Kiev is satisfied with the Istanbul agreements, but the West "has issued an order to fight to the last Ukrainian".

Shoigu should be doing 20 to life for organizing corruption on a mass scale and damaging defence capabilities of the country, instead of giving interviews. As for old man, there's nothing else to say when someone reads this.

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JohninMK 11/09/24, 03:13 am

Not an MLRS system we hear much about. Capable of quite close clusters.

https://x.com/i/status/1833398268014784572

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higurashihougi 11/09/24, 03:27 am

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:If Sweden continues in this idiotic approach there will be consequences.

Shooting down all Gripens who dares to show itself in the battlefield to show the world that no weapons of the West can save the Nazi.

If Luck allow, I hope some of the fragments will be presented in Moskva Park of Victory.

By the way I don't know how many Abrams the Maidan still possess in their hand. The number is already limited from the beginning and at the moment probably they are on the verge of extinction.

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JohninMK 11/09/24, 06:39 am

Time to make their journey home very difficult.

Full statement by the Secretary of State on the discussion between Biden and the British Prime Minister about permission for long-range strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces against Russia

"You have to ask whether the Ukrainians can use long-range weapons effectively. Sometimes that requires training, which we have done. Do they have the capacity to support that? That is something we have been working on. Is that part of an effective strategy? We will listen to our Ukrainian partners. We will both report to the Prime Minister and to President Biden in the near future. And I am sure that is something they will talk about when they meet on Friday," Blinken said at a briefing.

At the same time, US journalists write that the decision to grant permission to Kyiv has already been made by Washington. Blinken and the British Foreign Secretary are traveling to Kyiv to announce permission for long-range strikes against Russia, an Axios correspondent in Congress reports, citing House Foreign Affairs Chairman Michael McCaul.

“I spoke to Blinken two days ago, and he is traveling with his British counterpart to Kyiv to essentially tell them that they will allow them [to strike Russia using ATACMS],” McCaul told the media.
- RVvoenkor

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kvs 11/09/24, 08:02 am

India and any other global south country can sod right off with this negotiation BS. They are trying to curry favour with the USA at Russia's expense. If
they want to taste Uncle Swineshit's schlong, then they should go all in. But Russia does not need submit to this pressure. If they care so much, they
should put pressure on the Khuiyiv regime to repeal its law banning any negotiation with Russia.

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MMBR 11/09/24, 08:05 am

President z announced he wants to end the war by fall.

Counter offensive in kursk has begun, breakthroughs have already been made!

Below is from Slavyangrad

airborne troops and marines on the Kursk front: the AFU has been knocked out of almost a dozen villages

- Having launched a powerful counter-offensive in the Kursk region, our troops have achieved significant successes.

- The 106th Airborne Division of the Tula Airborne Troops has stormed the important village of Snagost and practically knocked out the AFU, the surviving fighters fled en masse.

- Crimean paratroopers attacked in Vishnevka and knocked the AFU out of the village.

- The village of 10th October was also liberated, and neighboring Apanasovka was cleared of the enemy by about half.

- In Glushkovsky district, the 155th Marine Brigade of the Talnakh Concentrator overturned the enemy positions in Gordeevka and practically liberated the village. It is reported that from Vneszapnoye and Viktorovka the enemy began fleeing to Byakhovo and Lyubimovka, practically abandoning the settlements and then beginning to flee from Byakhovo as well.

In all the settlements mopping up and consolidation continues, after which the Ministry of Defense will already announce their complete liberation.

- In addition, our forces are attacking near Borok, Pogrebki and Martynovka, the situation is being clarified.

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LMFS 11/09/24, 10:02 am

higurashihougi wrote:

The Swedes announced 5 bil. USD aid for Ukraine, including material parts of JAS 39 Gripen, 40mm ammo for CV-90s, small drones, and others.

The Swedes are probably upset after their mercenaries was destroyed by Iskander strike and are attempt to take revenge.

For a 10 million country, this means throwing 500USD per inhabitant down the ukie toilet... what a fearsome revenge against Russia clown

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JohninMK 11/09/24, 10:48 am

MMBR wrote:President z announced he wants to end the war by fall.

Counter offensive in kursk has begun, breakthroughs have already been made!

This is perhaps not the end of the war he wants. The Russians have clearly had enough so in goes the fully resourced and supported Marines and Paras. I hope he is not expecting them to stop at the border.

Kursk region.

We have started the attack, which we have been preparing for a long time. We are counterattacking. Now there will be a lot of news about the liberation of settlements in the region. I would like to immediately note that this is a common merit and common work. The fighters of all units are showing themselves with dignity. We are working.

The commander reports on the spot 🫡

Regiment named after Issa Pliev

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GunshipDemocracy 11/09/24, 11:07 am

23:40 10.09.2024(updated: 01:50 11.09.2024

Nebenzya advised to wait for obituaries of Western mercenaries
Nebenzya urged to wait for obituaries of Western mercenaries after Russian strikes on Ukrainian Armed Forces

UN, 10 Sep – RIA Novosti. Russia’s permanent representative to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, advised to wait for obituaries of Western mercenaries, including American ones, after a series of strikes on Ukrainian military facilities.
The Russian military, the diplomat recalled, has recently carried out "impressive and effective" strikes on Ukrainian military facilities, including, in particular, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' training center in Poltava and a hotel in Krivoy Rog where Ukrainian intelligence officers were staying.

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"A distinctive feature of this series of strikes was the elimination of a significant number of foreign instructors, specialists and mercenaries. Therefore, those who follow this topic can expect a large number of obituaries about the sudden death of high-ranking American, British, French, Polish and Swedish military personnel," Nebenzya said during a meeting of the UN Security Council.

https://ria.ru/20240910/nebenzya-1971954411.html

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Regular 11/09/24, 12:06 pm

lyle6 wrote:
Can't be wrong enough on this.

I have literally never seen Russian troops engage in psychopathic behavior or displayed unnecessary cruelty in this conflict. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Even the far right paramilitaries.

Only exception are the chechens and churkas. Some of these people are animals undeserving of the uniform. Authors of riveting displays like beheading prisoners alive and pissing down the neckhole type of savagery.

Russian buryats and tuvans did do some Mongolic rituals by cutting Ukrainian Azov balls and then shoot him in the head. What a horror, what a loss to humanity.

155th Pacific Ocean asians also reenacted Vlad Tepesh.

Many other smaller events happened. Eh, it’s war, especially when prisoners from both sides fight, what do you expect?

The difference is that Russians rarely film and propagate cruelty, even Rusich who are absolute devils, they keep it hush.

Ukrainians will film dying Russian with still beating heart and spinal column visible and think this gore porn will scare Russians. No, it will only make them bloodlust. No one will listen to cook/driver stories of POWs, they simply disappear like this guy who was too lazy to walk.

Should have learned from Chechens no to play gore games with Russians because when it came to dealing pain, whole generations can be deleted.

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nomadski 11/09/24, 06:34 pm

GarryB wrote ".....but such things would take time to develop and test...."

Not necessarily . A sidearm designed to fire shotgun shell , like a pepperbox pistol design , can be easily and quickly made , without the need for much machining or tooling . Especially if the firing is electrical . Off the shelf tubing , shotgun shells , capacitors , battery and Nichrome wire ! Should cost with shells 20 Dollars . Range of 10 to 15 meters , good enough against Drones . Every trooper can carry as a sidearm .

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ALAMO 11/09/24, 06:36 pm

Isos wrote:Those figures are a bunch of crap. Ukraine has some fertile lands for agriculture and nothing interesting.
If they had so much resources they would be all rich like in the petromonarchies since long time ago.

This sole comment sums up pretty well how delusional you can be.
You can present a total delusion, lack of knowledge or clueless idea fix with just the same unmatched arrogance.
Ukrainian territory is one of the most heavily mineralized on Earth.
Donbas cole deposits consist of 60+bln tons, being one of the richest on the planet. What is more important is that it is mostly anthracite - the most caloric sort of coal. You need a special boilers to burn it, otherwise it can just explode.
Metallurgy there was not figured out, because someone took the finger out of his ass one day - but because a whole area of Mariopol, Krivy Rog, and Kremenchuk is full of iron ore.
Ukraine owns 10% of the entire world's iron deposits. 6% of titanium. 20% of graphite.
An entire NE part of Ukraine is a geological peneplain. It is practically a basin filled with organic material, black shale rocks, and coal.
Does "shale gas" ring your bell, somehow?
The richest deposits of lithium in Europe are located in Donbas basin.
Does "lithium" rings your bell, somehow?

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Arrow 11/09/24, 06:44 pm

It's strange that Russia didn't really want Donbas until 2022. They have huge amounts of raw materials, but never too many. And the West would get its hands on it.

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Isos 11/09/24, 06:47 pm

Those percentages are crap and come from their asses. Like they would know where all the raw materials are...

It's like the myths of raw earth materials that China has 90% of the world. Well, everyone has them you just need to dig.

France is full of Uranium. It's just too expensive for them to dig in France.

Same as oil reserves. Each country gives its own estimations and most lie to impact the prices.

Like I said, mining is so expensive that it makes no one rich except the oligarcs owning the companies.

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Arrow wrote:It's strange that Russia didn't really want Donbas until 2022. They have huge amounts of raw materials, but never too many. And the West would get its hands on it.

Russkie have the same, only in 10x the numbers.
It was EU officials who openly admitted that the whole ukro hoax was made because "EU needs lithium".
Why import it, if you can dump a whole country, buy it out cheaply, and exploit?

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Firebird 11/09/24, 07:30 pm

Natural deposits are relevant and important.
But most of all, 50 pct of the country are RUSSIAN PEOPLE (looking at the 2013 former Ukraine map)
The other 50 pct well some can rot in jail/the ground, some can scurry off to GAYTO countries like rats, and some will see the error of their ways and reconsider themselves "fraternal peoples".
History, morals, economic fact and much more demonstrate the fact these are Russian lands and must be returned.
The Ukraine and then parts of Kazakstan and reunify with Belarus.

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GarryB 11/09/24, 08:05 pm

Not an MLRS system we hear much about. Capable of quite close clusters.

For all the talk about MRLS and HIMARS it is Uragan that is closest in size and design, but it is based on a lighter cheaper wheeled chassis, carries more ready to fire rockets on each launcher (16 vs 12 and 6 respectively), and has better range and performance at a much much lower cost.

Uragan is 220mm and the US missile is 227mm so the size is very similar.

Not necessarily . A sidearm designed to fire shotgun shell , like a pepperbox pistol design , can be easily and quickly made , without the need for much machining or tooling . Especially if the firing is electrical . Off the shelf tubing , shotgun shells , capacitors , battery and Nichrome wire ! Should cost with shells 20 Dollars . Range of 10 to 15 meters , good enough against Drones . Every trooper can carry as a sidearm .

Perhaps you are not familiar with shotguns... would they bother with 400mm plus length barrels and much longer if a pistol length barrel will do?

The US used the Masterkey with a very short barrel but it was used to blow door locks so it was used at point blank ranges with solid slug shells that delivered a large lump of lead directly into the door to shatter it where the lock is located. Against a human target at 20m such a short barrel would make it useless with the sort of buckshot loads you would need to effectively injure or kill someone.

A pistol length barrel would be useless as shown by the devices that were fitted to 40mm underbarrel grenade launchers... the barrels were not pistol length.

They could have been if that would be effective but it wouldn't.

Firing a solid slug against a small manouvering target... you would be better off firing a rifle bullet that shoots flatter.

It's strange that Russia didn't really want Donbas until 2022. They have huge amounts of raw materials, but never too many. And the West would get its hands on it.

Not strange at all. Russia is interested in the people. The west is interested in the value of the land the people live on. Their anti Russia BS was a way of claiming the people living on the land they wanted are Russian and can be removed/deported because they are Russian spies/agents.

Russia isn't stealing Ukrainian land, Ukraine is turning East Ukrainians into Russians and therefore the land they live on to Russian land.

Like I said, mining is so expensive that it makes no one rich except the oligarcs owning the companies.

Senator cocksucker graham stated openly of 12 trillion dollars worth of resources in the Ukraine that the west is fighting not just to take for themselves but also trying to deny said resources to Russia and China.

Why import it, if you can dump a whole country, buy it out cheaply, and exploit?

Their middle east policy in practise in Europe.... start a war and destroy a country like Iraq or Libya or Syria and either in the chaos steal the oil, or let them recover and they will pump oil to rebuild. Obviously getting the oil contracts yourself is the goal but letting anyone else pump the oil keeps the price down as they pump oil to earn money to rebuild their broken country. With Iraq and likely what they were hoping in the Ukraine they remain present so they can earn their own money rebuilding ripping off the damn natives with substandard work all the while blaming Russia or Iran or ISIS or anyone else for the problems there.

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JohninMK 11/09/24, 08:44 pm

Two of your best comments there Garry, the last and two before last.

The West, specifically US/UK/France, can't shake off the colonial mentality, it is the basis of the unbalanced increase in their wealth since the Industrial Revolution.

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