Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Ukro TG started to whine of how the Ukrowehrmacht is leaving Kurakhovo "by own decision to improve tactical position".
In translation: they are retreating without order, which is running away.

It is said that Russian public is highly divided between voting for Trump or voting for Harris.

owais.usmani wrote:It looks like guys at UK ministry of defence just learned how to generate voice calls using AI, who could have guessed those guys were that much talented!

See for yourself their commendable effort: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/uk-ministry-of-defence_standwithukraine-ugcPost-7256703821735759872-MhOa

Don't forget to check out the comments section, they are friggin hillarious

These are the same idiots who spun Mark Milley's three days to take Kiev estimate as Putin making that claim

The same people who told us Russia was out of missiles (in March 2022)

Out of tanks and guns (in late 2023)

have hundreds of thousands dead (last year)

that Russia can't give its troops cold weather gear (read that one slowly until it sinks in)

oh and the most dangerous because its a lie being spread throughout the western social media hellscape, Russia doesn't have anywhere near 8500 operational nuclear warheads, that has **** around and find out all over it and the western leaders all have hard ons for war.

Chances of Russia making a deal is nil.

Putler bought time with the Minsk accords, time that he used to prepare Russia for the eventual showdown.

You`re not using his trick against him. Man`s too wise for that.

Putler?

I say look at the track record... Russia didn't invade anyone and say this is now our land.

They didn't with Georgia, they didn't with the Crimea, they didn't with any of the Stans and they didn't with Belarus. Crimea and the four former Ukrainian regions voted in referendums to join Russia and Russia accepted them so I am pretty sure Russia is not going to continue moving to the west as far as they please. (Into Ukraine as far as needed, but not beyond into HATO territory).

They have said they want to liberate territory that has voted to join the Russian Federation and has been accepted by the Russian Federation as Russian territory and because of HATO arming Kiev with long range weapons they have mentioned that Kiev can't be trusted so they will need a buffer zone beyond their territory where there are no enemy forces that might launch attacks into Russian territory.

Currently that means 300km beyond Russia territory would need to be captured and demilitarised for the Russian territory to be safe unless solid and reliable agreements are made... which after Minsk one and two and Istanbul is unlikely to impossible.

This means Russian forces are going to be moving 50,100,150, 200, 250, 300km beyond RF territory into Ukraine territory to secure their border, now we can't discount the idea that those regions in the buffer zone might choose to become Russian Federation territory too... to be clear this will not be Putin or Russias decision... they might set up a referendum to allow the people to decide their own future. Of course there will be no options to join HATO or the EU which are both western weapons to attack Russia, but the people of the region might be sick of war and realise Kiev is so corrupt no matter what money the west sends to Kiev to fix everything it is not going to be spent on the cannon fodder, so they might see joining the Russian Federation as the better option moving forward... if they do then that does make things easier.

Of course the people on the border with Poland are unlikely to want to join the Russian Federation... even just to sabotage it from within, but let them vote for themselves.

Some of these regions are rabidly anti Russian and if the regions are not viable as states then letting them join the european countries they have been part of at various times might not be the worst thing from a Russian perspective.

Having Albanian states on their border is not really in their interests. This could be an interesting case where ethnically Hungarian or Polish citizens could swing the vote and join Poland or Hungary... not really as a reward... I would say these regions are less useful to these countries than East Germany was to West Germany.

The internal political problems will keep their governments busy with less time to throw stones at Russia. Russia could make it sound like a concession so the EU will feel better about losing, but really it will be Russia avoiding having to fix up areas that wouldn't appreciate it anyway.

These regions would need to be occupied so the referendums could take place and to ensure no moving population voting for independence in every region... but when the Ukrainian military collapses it shouldn't be too difficult or expensive.

When they find out how much Kiev has lied to them about their own losses and Russian losses and what Russia has done to rebuild the regions it has taken I think the voting will be rather favourable to Russia... but you never know... they might want to remain neutral and that is fine with Russia too.

I do worry that Russia could fall for Trump's smarm and act like a bitch for BRICs.

Yeah, because Putin is a bit green and not really as sophisticated as Trump is...  NOT.

ucmvulcan wrote:Putler?

Bazed Putin = Putler

Normal Putin = Putin

Cucked Putin = Putlet

thegopnik wrote:Well trump won, good luck zelensky, he called you a salesman and doesn't like the money being spent on you.

He can say anything he wats to Cocainsky. Let's wait and see how brave he will be to repeat that to his Black Rock curators. Maybe Dallas will visit him in Tampa, who knows ...

Trump will not change anything. The US will continue to finance Ukraine. Maybe even more. I remind that it was Trump who withdrew from the INF treaty. Ukraine is currently one of the biggest priorities of the US.

Poor Harris. She was used as a last minute resort-patch to cover up Robinette's shit.

Trump Declares Victory in Presidential Race, 11.06.2024.

TRUMP CALLED HIS PRESIDENTIAL RESULT "A POLITICAL VICTORY THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE IN US HISTORY".

https://ria.ru/20241106/tramp-1982136872.html

Arrow wrote:Trump will not change anything. The US will continue to finance Ukraine. Maybe even more. I remind  that it was Trump who withdrew from the INF treaty. Ukraine is currently one of the biggest priorities of the US.

You really have no idea.
Trump is Israel`s bitch numero uno before anything. He will sacrifice the Ukraine theater for a war with Iran.

There will be no fight with Iran.

Arrow wrote:There will be no fight with Iran.

You have an excellent history of guessing wrong, its a viable heuristic. Keep it up.

d_taddei2 wrote:If I remember trump on Ukraine once said he would get the war ended quickly within a day or two. He stated cokehead would be told accept whatever trump wanted, and same for Putin and if not he would give Ukraine massive support that Russia couldn't handle.

Trump is a narcist who understands only what to do in PR. A Kardashian of the politics.
He can say whatever he wants, as he does not understand that anyway.
Remind yourself his presidency, with his own bodies working against him.
And changing secretaries like glows, with a dumber following the dumb.
He has perfectly zero tools to add to this conflict to change a thing. They are out of a cannon fodder, so it does not matter if they will unrust a hundred M1 more or not.
It is talking only, vectored towards his redneck voters.