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    Post  lancelot Mon Nov 18, 2024 11:59 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Um Ukraine has the know how from its days in the USSR on how to make the nukes, its just a matter of getting the materials which when you know how isn't hard either

    Acting like nukes are super super hard to make is a wrong understanding in this time you just need to know how and have the production and Ukraine does
    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. "Just getting the materials". You need either enriched uranium or plutonium, and this requires facilities large enough you can spot them from space.

    At best they could make a dirty bomb.

    The bomb making facilities in the Soviet Union were not in Ukraine. They were all in Russian territory.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:05 am

    Kyiv did not receive permission to strike deep into Russia Storm Shadow, media writes, 11.18.2024.

    Media: Kyiv has not yet received permission to strike deep into Russia with Storm Shadow missiles.

    MOSCOW, November 18 - RIA Novosti. Kiev has not yet received permission to strike Russian territory with British Storm Shadow missiles, the British publication Sun reports , citing multiple sources.

    "Ukraine remains prohibited from using British Storm Shadow missiles to strike Russian territory," the statement said.

    The publication notes that the US continues to block the use of British missiles, despite having given the go-ahead for the use of its own ATACMS systems to carry out limited strikes on Russian territory.

    https://ria.ru/20241118/rakety-1984451816.html

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    Post  Kiko Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:13 am

    Landsbergis: Kyiv's permission to strike deep into Russia has not yet been clarified, by Elizaveta Shishkova for VZGLYAD. 11.18.2024.

    Lithuanian Foreign Minister Says Information on Strikes Deep into Russia Incomplete.

    Information about permission for Ukraine to use long-range Western weapons for strikes deep into Russia is not yet complete and accurate, said Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis.

    The politician noted that at this stage it is too early for Kiev’s supporters to celebrate, RIA Novosti .

    Speaking to journalists before the meeting of the EU foreign ministers, Landsbergis emphasized that “both Ukraine and Lithuania have long asked for all restrictions on Western weapons strikes against Russia to be lifted.” However, he expressed doubts about the number of missiles in Ukraine’s arsenal being sufficient to change the situation on the battlefield.

    The minister questioned whether all restrictions had really been lifted, as media reports had suggested a partial lifting. He criticised the EU's strategy in the Ukraine conflict as "de-escalation", saying it had failed, and called for a "stronger strategy" involving more arms to Ukraine and lifting restrictions.

    Landsbergis also stressed that the meeting of EU foreign ministers would be his last in this role. The Homeland Union – Lithuanian Christian Democrats party, which he represented, lost the elections, and Landsbergis himself was defeated in the single-mandate constituency. In connection with this, he announced his resignation as the party leader, his refusal of the parliamentary mandate, and a break in his political career.

    Let us recall that the US for the first time allowed the use of ATACMS missiles for strikes deep into Russian territory. The Kremlin became familiar with the information about the permission for such strikes from the US, France and Britain only from Western media. The presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov said that the US administration led by President Joe Biden is adding fuel to the fire of the Ukrainian conflict.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/18/1298581.html

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:23 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Um Ukraine has the know how from its days in the USSR on how to make the nukes, its just a matter of getting the materials which when you know how isn't hard either

    Acting like nukes are super super hard to make is a wrong understanding in this time you just need to know how and have the production and Ukraine does

    Never heard of anyone completing a nuclear program by candle-light

    Missiles ahoy!

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:36 am

    Impressive bang, a few headaches created.

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    Post  Mir Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:41 am

    lancelot wrote:
    At best they could make a dirty bomb.
    The bomb making facilities in the Soviet Union were not in Ukraine. They were all in Russian territory.

    Not only that. Ukraine had a huge number of nuclear warheads (1700) but ALL OF IT was under Russian command and control after the fall of the Soviet Union. Everything was eventually transferred to Russia.

    The sad thing is that they destroyed most of the nuclear capable bombers with the help of American dollars - only a handful returned to Russia.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:43 am

    This BBC article should be read "we just make crap up"
    The general take in this article is the North Koreans are inexperienced troops, but then it says NK sent it's best troops 11th corps aka storm corps. They state that 11,000 troops in Ukraine and they also received training in Russia. They then state that a source suggests that NK plan to send 100,000 NK troops into Ukraine. Also that NK troops don't know Russian or Russian systems which everyone with ha e a brain cell realise many NK learnt russian as well as other languages at school and majority of NK weapons are copies of soviet or Russian systems with some also being Chinese which are also copies of soviet/Russian systems. They also harp on that Russia sends ill trained troops to the front and they lose 1000 per day. Which is nonsense. They also state NK receive $2000 a month per soldier from Russia with majority going to NK government, and that Russia transfers technology to NK. The BBC must have some great intelligence network to know all this 😂 😂 on the most secretive state on earth.

    What we know about North Korean troops in Ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2796pdm1lo

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:53 am

    Germany is supplying Ukraine with "mini-Taurus" drones—4,000 AI-powered drones capable of autonomously targeting, according to Bild.

    These drones earned the nickname "mini-Taurus" due to their autonomy, resembling German long-range missiles—operating without a pilot or GPS.

    Deliveries will begin in December, with several hundred units shipped monthly.

    Recently, reports emerged that the U.S. has also started supplying Ukraine with similar drones.

    These drones are believed to independently lock onto targets, making them resistant to electronic warfare (EW).

    Meanwhile, Russia uses drones equipped with long fiber-optic cables, which also bypass EW systems.

    http://T.me/ukraine_watch

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 19, 2024 12:55 am

    Mir wrote:
    Not only that. Ukraine had a huge number of nuclear warheads (1700) but ALL OF IT was under Russian command and control after the fall of the Soviet Union. Everything was eventually transferred to Russia.
    Then lots of it after processing went to the US as NPP fuel.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:25 am

    It is completely irrelevant if ATACMS et al. strikes will hit something valuable in Russia or not. That is a relativization of the worst degree. In his statement, Putin clearly said that if Ukrainians are  allowed to use ATACMS and other systems to hit "old" Russian territory, Russia will consider those attacks as a "direct participation of NATO countries, US and European countries, in the war in Ukraine". As clear, as it can be. Only thing is too be seen if decision was really made, in the first place. This can't be treated just as another escalatory step, but as a real red line, based on his statement. Crossing of that line, has to be answered, otherwise things will escalate much more.

    Second video of this tweet and translation is correct.

    https://x.com/TorstenProchnow/status/1858242742046044211

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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:32 am

    https://t.me/XU_kraine/67378

    It's hard to say anything, but I don't think the famous Patriot shot anything down.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:35 am

    lancelot wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Um Ukraine has the know how from its days in the USSR on how to make the nukes, its just a matter of getting the materials which when you know how isn't hard either

    Acting like nukes are super super hard to make is a wrong understanding in this time you just need to know how and have the production and Ukraine does
    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. "Just getting the materials". You need either enriched uranium or plutonium, and this requires facilities large enough you can spot them from space.

    At best they could make a dirty bomb.

    The bomb making facilities in the Soviet Union were not in Ukraine. They were all in Russian territory.



    Ukraine had no codes for the nuclear weapons, the codes were in Russia.


    Also, Belarus and Kazakhstan gave up their nuclear weapons as well.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:48 am

    lancelot wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Um Ukraine has the know how from its days in the USSR on how to make the nukes, its just a matter of getting the materials which when you know how isn't hard either

    Acting like nukes are super super hard to make is a wrong understanding in this time you just need to know how and have the production and Ukraine does
    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. "Just getting the materials". You need either enriched uranium or plutonium, and this requires facilities large enough you can spot them from space.

    At best they could make a dirty bomb.

    The bomb making facilities in the Soviet Union were not in Ukraine. They were all in Russian territory.

    You do not know what you're talking about, but let me give you a lesson.

    1. Soviet Ukraine did design and produce missiles that could easily mount Nukes, Kharkov for example was used to produce guidance systems, these facilities have since been moved

    2. As for the material argument, It's not hard to convert a facility into that, Ukraine has the knowlodge to do so and they have plenty of underground facilities that could hide them. Also Ukraine is host to leftover Soviet era nuclear sites.

    Your acting like this is an impossible task for someone with the know-how, its really not. The hardest part is figuring out merely how to get the material prepared which Ukraine already knows.

    3. Soviet Union did use Ukraine to make weapons-grade material it wasn't all in Russia, the fact you think this is hilarious.

    Ukraine actually has nuclear engineering and what is not left over from the USSR

    I could go on and on and on but your one of these armchair experts who think you know but ya don't.

    The flat out facts is Ukraine does have the ability to make such a weapon, however it would take a very considerable investment to do so, as they would need to get everything in order and make the raw material which takes time. It's not something they could do in a month but given them a year or two max and they can start rolling out bombs

    Then you need to add in the political factors of even the EU would probably drop them if they even DARED to go there.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:51 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Um Ukraine has the know how from its days in the USSR on how to make the nukes, its just a matter of getting the materials which when you know how isn't hard either

    Acting like nukes are super super hard to make is a wrong understanding in this time you just need to know how and have the production and Ukraine does

    Never heard of anyone completing a nuclear program by candle-light

    Missiles ahoy!

    There is no blackout in Ukraine, Power is still going.

    Even after the attack a few days ago, There was no massive blackout nor evidence of it even most pro Russian sources never mentioned any complete blackouts.

    Though I understand the point you are making, that doesn't change the fact Ukraine does have the capability to make Nukes as of this time.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:21 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:There is no blackout in Ukraine, Power is still going.

    Even after the attack a few days ago, There was no massive blackout nor evidence of it even most pro Russian sources never mentioned any complete blackouts.

    Though I understand the point you are making, that doesn't change the fact Ukraine does have the capability to make Nukes as of this time.

    And I agree with you

    Best to be on the safe side
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    Post  lancelot Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:30 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:You do not know what you're talking about, but let me give you a lesson.

    1. Soviet Ukraine did design and produce missiles that could easily mount Nukes, Kharkov for example was used to produce guidance systems, these facilities have since been moved
    Nice non-sequitur. I never said they couldn't make delivery systems. I said they couldn't make the nuclear BOMBS themselves. The explosive devices. The delivery system is kind of immaterial.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:2. As for the material argument, It's not hard to convert a facility into that, Ukraine has the knowlodge to do so and they have plenty of underground facilities that could hide them. Also Ukraine is host to leftover Soviet era nuclear sites.

    Your acting like this is an impossible task for someone with the know-how, its really not. The hardest part is figuring out merely how to get the material prepared which Ukraine already knows.

    3. Soviet Union did use Ukraine to make weapons-grade material it wasn't all in Russia, the fact you think this is hilarious.
    Ukraine did not make the nuclear materials or the nuclear bombs. Those were made near Chelyabinsk, Seversk, and other places like that. CLOSED CITIES IN RUSSIA. The sites were in Siberia. Which Ukraine is nowhere near to.

    You simply are out of your depth in this argument.

    There is simply no way Ukraine would produce a nuclear bomb without substantial outside help. And not in a couple of years or months like you seem to be implying.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ukraine actually has nuclear engineering and what is not left over from the USSR
    Lots of places have nuclear engineers. What they don't have is uranium enrichment facilities, reactors capable of producing weapons grade plutonium, or plutonium separation facilities. North Korea for example had a Magnox reactor. Ukraine has liquid water reactors. Most of which are being used to generate power. But you probably don't even know the difference.

    You need a reactor which gives you easy access to the nuclear fuel, and you need the facilities to handle the nuclear fuel yourself. The reactor also needs to have certain characteristics to breed the right kind of plutonium. In the Cold War these were either graphite or heavy water reactors.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:03 am

    How Americans Control Missile Launches from Ukrainian Territory, by Igor Garnov for VZGLYAD. 11.18.2024.

    The ATACMS missiles that Ukraine has cannot be used against targets deep inside Russian territory without the direct participation of NATO servicemen. This conclusion follows directly from both the procedure for Ukraine to obtain intelligence information and from the process of creating flight missions for these missiles.

    It looks like the US is about to cross another red line – and this time one it would be better not to cross. Joe Biden is said to have given in to the requests of the head of the Kiev regime and allowed US missile strikes deep into Russian territory.

    First of all, we are talking about the American ATACMS ballistic missiles (range 300 km), American JASSM cruise missiles (370 km), British Storm Shadow cruise missiles and their French version SCALP-EG (both up to 560 km). Although both the British and French leadership currently deny this possibility, it is still worth considering.

    But the main thing is not the fact of using Western weapons systems, but that they cannot be used in any other way except with the participation of NATO servicemen. And such participation means direct involvement of NATO in the conflict with Russia. According to  the  representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova, Russia's response in this case will be adequate and tangible. And any such strike will mean "direct participation of the US and its satellites in military actions against Russia, as well as a radical change in the essence and nature of the conflict."

    " ...The Ukrainian army is not capable of carrying out strikes with modern high-precision long-range systems of Western manufacture... This is only possible with the use of intelligence data from satellites, which Ukraine does not have, this is data from satellites of the European Union or the United States, in general from NATO satellites. This is the first thing.

    The second, and very important, perhaps key, is that flight assignments for these missile systems can, in fact, only be entered by NATO military personnel. Ukrainian military personnel cannot do this ,”
    Vladimir Putin said on this matter.

    How does NATO military participation occur in this case purely technically? This participation begins, as already indicated, with satellite reconnaissance.

    The US military satellite constellation has more than four hundred devices, including several dozen reconnaissance ones. The European Union and NATO have far fewer satellites. Ukraine has none, so the Ukrainian Armed Forces are completely dependent on intelligence information coming from the West.

    It would seem that the transfer of intelligence information in itself is not yet full participation in the conflict. But it is not enough to receive satellite images. These images require decoding and interpretation in special data processing centers. There are only a few of these centers in the world, but not a single one in Ukraine.

    In the US, this is the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), in France, the Centre d'Expertise de la Défense (CED), and in the UK, the Defence Intelligence Organisation. There are also NATO structures called the NATO Communications and Information Agency (NCIA), Allied Joint Force Command and Allied Command Operations (ACO), which process and analyse data to support military operations. All centres are linked by duplicated digital communication lines. All of them currently work for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    In all these centres, primarily satellite – but not only – intelligence information is processed in real time. The processed information becomes the basis for obtaining precise target coordinates. What in military language is called target designation, the point at which a strike is carried out with some type of weapon.

    But isn't it possible to use openly available data from mapping services to obtain target designations? Yandex maps or other similar ones? After all, they also display objects tied to precise coordinates on the ground. Maybe the Ukrainian Armed Forces are capable of using, say, Google Map to attack Russian objects?

    Yes, it is possible to obtain coordinates of a critical infrastructure, industrial or energy facility in this way. But these two types of data cannot be found in these geoservices.

    Firstly, data on troop groups, the presence of aircraft at airfields, ships at bases, air defense facilities. Such data changes quickly and requires prompt processing. Secondly, data on the high-precision altitude profile of the terrain. In fact, this is a radar portrait of the terrain, which is critical for constructing the route of missiles. These data were collected by many generations of spacecraft and civilian airliners.

    There is nothing like this in Ukraine or in publicly available services. And all these parameters are absolutely necessary for creating flight missions for high-precision long-range weapons.

    For example, let's imagine the work of a Ukrainian crew of the HIMARS MLRS system, transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by the United States. The commander of this crew presses the conventional "red button" to launch the ATACMS missile. However, before this, the missile must be loaded with a flight mission, otherwise after launch it will fly anywhere but to the target.

    The flight missions themselves are usually not created in the cabin of a ground launcher or aircraft. This is done by the above-mentioned centers. This is a long way and a complex procedure that requires the participation of many specialists of various profiles.

    First, NATO satellite data on reconnaissance targets is transmitted to Ukrainian headquarters. There, they decide which targets need to be fired upon. At the HIMARS control points, a specific installation is selected to carry out the mission. All information exchange is conducted via secure NATO digital communication lines, primarily Link-16.

    Once HIMARS arrives at the launch site, the launcher's position is determined with centimeter accuracy using GPS, and orientation is performed with hundredths of a degree accuracy. These values ​​are transmitted to NATO data processing centres. There, specialists use the data they receive to create a computer program that will control the missile's flight during its specific flight - what is called a flight mission. These specialists are military personnel from NATO countries, usually the United States.

    The created programme is then transmitted back to the HIMARS crew. The commander enters the flight mission into the onboard computer and launches.

    In some NATO missile systems, crew commanders can enter target coordinates themselves, right in the cockpit. The flight mission is then calculated by the onboard computer. However, the control programme simply will not allow parameters to be entered that, for example, direct the missile to the territory of a NATO country. To expand the missile's area of ​​application, to remove the corresponding safety devices, again, requires the intervention of NATO servicemen in the corresponding control centres.

    The flight mission entry for Storm Shadow cruise missiles on Su-24 bombers and F-16 fighter-bombers looks roughly the same. The only difference is that the launch point – the carrier side – is mobile. But cruise missiles have the ability to adjust their course based on the radar portrait of the terrain. They even have a photo of the object, which compensates for inaccuracies in reaching the launch point and the error in launch time. So here, too, the pilot/crew in no way determines where and how the missile will fly.

    Thus, Ukrainian operators of launchers and carriers of American missiles are simply drivers and service personnel. Their task is to drive the vehicle to the position, take their own coordinates, transmit them to the control centre, and when the ready flight task arrives, press the "Enter" key. The actual control of the choice of target, preparation of the flight task remains with NATO - most often American - servicemen. This is NATO's direct participation in the Ukrainian conflict.

    https://vz.ru/world/2024/11/18/1298627.html

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:23 am

    First off Ukraine has three Uranium mining sites active, a new fuel production site is being built.

    But fine if you don't want to believe the Soviets used Ukraine for this, which they did. Its just not known, let me let you in on a secret.

    Ukraine has access to Plutonium. Instead of Uranium, Plutonium-bombs only require a precise explosion mechanism, enrichment is only for uranium. By taking the Plutonium-239 out of used or even new fuel rods, which Ukraine has more than enough of.

    They can skip the whole enrichment process and build a Nuclear weapon that way.

    You are very out of depth on this subject, Ukraine has every means available to build a nuke.

    If you think they need enriched uranium you're dreaming, they really don't. Ukraine has enough 239 to build dozens of bombs the estimated weight of reactor plutonium available to Ukraine can be estimated at seven tons which is far far more than needed to build an extensive arsenal.

    Oh and before you try to argue some silly ass thing "Reactor fuel isn't the same thing" it really is, if you can use it to power a reactor, you can use it to make a Nuclear bomb, the only thing you need to figure out at that point is the dentation mechanism which is easy for Ukraine as again, they have the files from the USSR

    Sure do enjoy clueless folks talking like they understand the situation.


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    Post  Arrow Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:26 am

    The US administration has authorized the use of missiles with a range of up to 300 km for strikes on Russian territory; this was discussed at a meeting of EU foreign ministers, Borrell said.

    I guess this is officially confirmed
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:29 am

    Arrow wrote:The US administration has authorized the use of missiles with a range of up to 300 km for strikes on Russian territory; this was discussed at a meeting of EU foreign ministers, Borrell said.

    I guess this is officially confirmed

    Putin has no one to blame but himself for, wanting to play nice.

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    Post  Hole Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:30 am

    [quote][Apparently 4000 is what 100 a month from December turns into as a headline/quote]
    The last batch will likely be delivered in 2028.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:58 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arrow wrote:The US administration has authorized the use of missiles with a range of up to 300 km for strikes on Russian territory; this was discussed at a meeting of EU foreign ministers, Borrell said.

    I guess this is officially confirmed

    Putin has no one to blame but himself for, wanting to play nice.

    Playing nice is always severely punished in international politics and war.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:23 am

    JohninMK wrote:Impressive bang, a few headaches created.

    I think this might be the same event. Ugly bugger!

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    The bomb that fell near Kupiansk, hitting Ukrainian forces, turned out to be an OFZAB-500 with an UMPC.

    This marks the first use of the OFZAB-500 (fragmentation-incendiary) with a UMPC (Universal Modular Payload Container) in the Special Military Operation (SMO). The bomb contains an incendiary mixture that disperses similarly to an air-blast bomb, and the explosion’s effects are intensified by the additional hundred kilograms of shrapnel.

    The explosion was so powerful that it was initially mistaken for a 1.5-ton bomb. The UMPC-equipped OFZAB-500 was only introduced in August.
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    Post  lancelot Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:44 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:First off Ukraine has three Uranium mining sites active, a new fuel production site is being built.
    So does Kazakhstan. Which is where most of the mined uranium in the Soviet Union came from. Or Niger for that matter. But that gives you yellow cake. You need uranium with 90% or more U-235 enrichment to make an uranium bomb.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons-grade_nuclear_material#Weapons-grade_uranium

    Ukraine, much like Niger, does not have enrichment facilities. And to operate something like that you need hundreds of megawatts of power at least. With specialized gas centrifuges only like half a dozen countries have the technology to do. So your idea you can easily hide such facilities is fanciful.

    The Ukrainian deal to make their own fuel, is to send the mined yellow cake to the West, which then enriches it, and then it is sent to Ukraine where it is put it into fuel rods. Without Western involvement they cannot make the fuel.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:But fine if you don't want to believe the Soviets used Ukraine for this, which they did. Its just not known, let me let you in on a secret.

    Ukraine has access to Plutonium. Instead of Uranium, Plutonium-bombs only require a precise explosion mechanism, enrichment is only for uranium. By taking the Plutonium-239 out of used or even new fuel rods, which Ukraine has more than enough of.

    They can skip the whole enrichment process and build a Nuclear weapon that way.

    You are very out of depth on this subject, Ukraine has every means available to build a nuke.

    If you think they need enriched uranium you're dreaming, they really don't. Ukraine has enough 239 to build dozens of bombs the estimated weight of reactor plutonium available to Ukraine can be estimated at seven tons which is far far more than needed to build an extensive arsenal.

    Oh and before you try to argue some silly ass thing "Reactor fuel isn't the same thing" it really is, if you can use it to power a reactor, you can use it to make a Nuclear bomb, the only thing you need to figure out at that point is the dentation mechanism which is easy for Ukraine as again, they have the files from the USSR
    So you still don't get it. Ukraine used to get the fuel for its nuclear reactors from Russia. Russia provided them with the fuel rods, and those after being used were given back to Russia for disposal inside Russia. Now Ukraine get the fuel from Westinghouse and the scheme operates in much the same way. Westinghouse claims they will provide Ukraine with the technology to make their own fuel rods. But Ukraine still needs uranium enriched at 5% because it is a liquid water reactor. Ukraine has no enrichment capabilities. The uranium yellow cake must be enriched in the West. And if the West does not make sure that Ukraine uses that for peaceful purposes, then they are breaking the rules the US itself established to prevent nuclear proliferation. At which point nothing prevents the Russians from doing the same and provide nuclear materials to make bombs to whoever has ever wanted nukes including Iran, Egypt, Libya, South Africa, Brazil, etc.

    Civilian reactors, like the ones Ukraine operate, run at high burnup. This means all sorts of transmuted elements will be formed which will poison the reaction. You will need to separate the plutonium out of the spent fuel, this requires special facilities, but even after separation you will get several plutonium isotopes all mixed up. The reason why you need a dedicated reactor to produce weapons grade plutonium in the first place us that you need to get the right kinds of isotopes, otherwise you will get a nuclear weapon that fizzles and at most melts down instead of blowing up.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons-grade_nuclear_material#Weapons-grade_plutonium

    Reactor fuel is not the same thing as weapons grade material.

    You clearly don't know anything about this.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Nov 19, 2024 6:09 am

    "So you still don't get it. Ukraine used to get the fuel for its nuclear reactors from Russia. Russia provided them with the fuel rods, and those after being used were given back to Russia"

    Incorrect ukraine has not returned spent rods to Russia this is your first lie

    As for the argument on the poisoning of the reaction you are also wrong, The reactor fuel is already weapons grade all it needs is a proper detonation reaction. You are confusing weapons grade with perfection. They also have as I said several tons of 239 reach Nuclear fuel laying around. Which is ideal to turn into a Nuclear Bomb

    For example, we can look at Chernobyl, the entire reason the soviets drained the water tank under the reactor is because if that reactor fuel touched the water it would have set off the reactor fuel creating a massive Nuclear explosion.

    While you are right about some stuff like the processing, the type of reactors Ukraine uses can get the plutonium at the desired levels, they have spent fuel rods, they have reactor fuel they can easily run through the process to get "good enough"

    I'll say it again because you are lying either intentionally or you think you are educated on the subject but you just wrong. So I'll say it again Reactor fuel can easily be turned into a Nuclear warhead all you need to do is add a couple of easy steps and bam you got yourself a Nuclear weapon. You do not need perfect weapons grade to make a bomb you just need it to be at a certain level.

    The reports are and I need you to understand this buddy Ukraine is seeking to make a rudimentary nuclear bomb not some super high tech modern one. they have every single thing they need to make a rudimentary nuclear bomb. the Russians fully understand this, that is why they never said Ukraine doesn't have the ability, they have said if Ukraine moves to start this process because the russians themselves know full well Ukraine can do it with enough time.

    Its a good thing people like you aren't in power your arrogance and thinking you know better would leave to situations far worse

    and don't post wiki links to me like they are reliable sources of information lol, wiki has one numerous occasions been found to make unfactual entries

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