Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Karl Haushofer wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arrow wrote:The US administration has authorized the use of missiles with a range of up to 300 km for strikes on Russian territory; this was discussed at a meeting of EU foreign ministers, Borrell said.

I guess this is officially confirmed

Putin has no one to blame but himself for, wanting to play nice.

Playing nice is always severely punished in international politics and war.

Of course, as it should be, war isn't about being nice or humane. its got one single objective.

Kill your enemy, no restraint end them, kill them as fast as you can and as much has you can, destroy whatever you need to in your path.

Restraint only helps the enemy

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Incorrect ukraine has not returned spent rods to Russia this is your first lie

As for the argument on the poisoning of the reaction you are also wrong, The reactor fuel is already weapons grade all it needs is a proper detonation reaction. You are confusing weapons grade with perfection. They also have as I said several tons of 239 reach Nuclear fuel laying around. Which is ideal to turn into a Nuclear Bomb

Liquid water reactor burned fuel rods will have too high a fraction of unwanted plutonium isotopes which makes them unviable for nuclear weapons use in straight plutonium bomb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactor-grade_plutonium

Sure such fuel will blow up if you flood it with neutrons from a fusion explosion. But how did you start the fusion explosion then? Fusion bombs typically use a plutonium fission trigger to start the ignition. It is a chicken and egg problem here.

Ukraine is also supposed to be under IAEA safeguards where their reactors and spent fuel is accounted and inspected. If the US wants to render the IAEA useless as an institution then fine, but then do not come crying back when the Houthis or Libyan nationalists get nukes and close the Indian Ocean and Mediterranean to NATO shipping forever. Maybe one of those insurgent groups in Central America will all of a sudden get nukes.

Maybe all of a sudden China goes from having enough plutonium to have 300 nukes, to enough to have 3000 nukes.
Maybe North Korea goes from a dozen nukes, to several hundred, rendering your stupidly expensive GBI ABM system totally useless.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:For example, we can look at Chernobyl, the entire reason the soviets drained the water tank under the reactor is because if that reactor fuel touched the water it would have set off the reactor fuel creating a massive Nuclear explosion.

Ah bullshit. Now you showed how little you know about this. The risk was of another hydrogen explosion. As in a CHEMICAL EXPLOSION. The molten corium of the reactor would hit the water, which would result in thermolysis, the hydrogen and oxygen in the water would break apart, and then you could get a chemical ignition. Not a nuclear one.

The idea that a nuclear reactor can explode like a nuclear bomb is something out of a Hollywood movie not reality.

lancelot wrote:You need a reactor which gives you easy access to the nuclear fuel, and you need the facilities to handle the nuclear fuel yourself. The reactor also needs to have certain characteristics to breed the right kind of plutonium. In the Cold War these were either graphite or heavy water reactors.

Yep, its obvious listening to these media reports that the writers know zero about nuclear physics or engineering. Ukraine operates light water moderated VVER reactors which are PWR types and need to be shutdown in order to changeout the fuel rods.  Pu239 production requires fresh fuel rod assemblies to be irridated and then removed once the concentration of Pu239 has reached its maximum (leave the rod in any longer and the newly created Pu will get consumed) and this is impractical in PWR types.  IIRC the characteristics of a light water reactor are not efficient for Pu production as less neutrons are produced with a suitable energy range to convert U238 into Pu239.

The graphite moderated RMBKs at Chernobyl could be used for Pu239 production as they could be refuelled online, but they have now all been shutdown, and their restart is impractical.

Even if the banderites could manage to irridate fuel rods and breed some Pu of the correct isotopes, they lack the reprocessing facilities to recover the Pu in a useable form.

Finally, all reactors are under IAEA monitoring so clandestine Pu production is essentially impossible.

Zellie Coke-boi is talking nonsense, and his speel is intended simply to cajole Trump into supporting his regime, and to scare the Eurotrash into giving him more money and weapons.  Ignore the stupid little cross-dressing twat, and keep grinding the bandera military into dogmeat.

Another PR hit. Maybe they will be able to make a few. But it seems more likely to me that they will claim that any ATACMS that goes into Russia was really one of these. Honest Guv.

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Big_Gazza wrote:Yep, its obvious listening to these media reports that the writers know zero about nuclear physics or engineering. Ukraine operates light water moderated VVER reactors which are PWR types and need to be shutdown in order to changeout the fuel rods.  Pu239 production requires fresh fuel rod assemblies to be irridated and then removed once the concentration of Pu239 has reached its maximum (leave the rod in any longer and the newly created Pu will get consumed) and this is impractical in PWR types.  IIRC the characteristics of a light water reactor are not efficient for Pu production as less neutrons are produced with a suitable energy range to convert U238 into Pu239.

The graphite moderated RMBKs at Chernobyl could be used for Pu239 production as they could be refuelled online, but they have now all been shutdown, and their restart is impractical.

Even if the banderites could manage to irridate fuel rods and breed some Pu of the correct isotopes, they lack the reprocessing facilities to recover the Pu in a useable form.

Finally, all reactors are under IAEA monitoring so clandestine Pu production is essentially impossible.

Zellie Coke-boi is talking nonsense, and his speel is intended simply to cajole Trump into supporting his regime, and to scare the Eurotrash into giving him more money and weapons.  Ignore the stupid little cross-dressing twat, and keep grinding the bandera military into dogmeat.

Exactly. If they manage to make plutonium it will be with the connivance of the IAEA and the West. It will discredit the IAEA.

If you really wanted to make plutonium with the reactors they have got the best bet would be either the RMBKs at Chernobyl, or the small research LWR at Kiev. Those should be easier to get access to the fuel. The LWR would only make minute amounts of plutonium, it is a suboptimal design for that, maybe they could get a bomb in another decade or two.  But it is not like if you started those reactors up the Russians wouldn't detect the thermal signature of the reactors operating. You would see heated steam going up those cooling towers. Something you can spot with satellites with thermal sensors. You know the kinds of satellites used to detect forest fires and the like. The Russians would then attack those facilities.

Ripped from MoA. Good stuff

Re: DPRK troops in Ukraine (or Russia), I saw a good comment at Naked Capitalism earlier today which I will repost here. I don't have time to sort through and find the hyperlink; I only copied the text of the comment, so apologies to the person who made it, but I think it's worth spreading.

    Leaving aside the fact that we have zero, none, nada, proof of any kind beyond the verbal say-so of anonymous Ukrainian officials and South Korean intelligence persons.

    1. Integrating a 10-thousand strong unit – or even battalion-sized components thereof – into a modern battlefield with constant vertical and horizontal communication from individual squads all the way up to brigade or division command, when members of said unit speak a completely different language, is borderline lunacy. I am not saying it cannot be done, if one tries really, really hard, and has enough interpreters or bilingual officers on hand, but please.

    2. No-one is yet to explain to me in a coherent fashion where the weapons and equipment, including vehicles, tanks, artillery, ambulances, et cetera, for these North Koreans are supposed to come from. A basic motor rifle battalion of 400 men needs 50 BMPs just to move around, not counting supply trucks, a tank platoon or two in support, anti-air, some artillery or heavy mortars, buggies-bikes for assault groups, reconnaissance and strike drones, and so on. Most of the North Korean stuff is either very, very old Soviet stuff that the Russians wouldn’t want to use on the frontline, or wholly incompatible with what the Russians do use on the frontline, or is available in extremely limited quantities, or does not exist altogether. We are basically suggesting that the Russians will take the gear meant for 10 thousand of their own volunteers and give it to the North Koreans. Because why, exactly.

    3. Said Russian volunteers routinely spend many months on the training grounds before going anywhere near the frontline, and then usually as reinforcements to existing veteran units rather than separate brand new formations. In fact, more than one English-language source has now noted that the Ukrainian practice of just creating new brigades instead of reinforcing existing veteran ones is, at best, highly inefficient, and at worst utterly wasteful. Furthermore, even veteran troops are rotated back to the training range every few weeks in order to either hone their general skills, or to practice against a copy of the specific defensive position they are about to face.

    Either the North Koreans have been practicing somewhere in Siberia for the past six months, or letting them anywhere near the frontline would violate pretty much every practice established by the Russian army to date.

    4. I await any evidence of this mythical manpower shortage that is forcing the Russians to accept an extra 10 thousand foreign troops. Aren’t the same Western sources squealing about the North Koreans also telling us about the 120 thousand Russian troops sitting around in the Zaporozh’e area doing pretty much nothing? Or that the total Russian troops deployed along the frontline now outnumber the Ukrainians?

    5. If the whole thing is a matter of the North Koreans gaining “experience”, then why not have military attaches at various HQ levels and small groups of 5-10 specially selected officers attached to combat companies here and there? Why constitute a 10 thousand strong block that no-one knows what to do with?

    6. North Korea will not do a bloody thing without getting a tacit approval from China. Why China would want North Koreans in direct combat with US proxies anywhere in the world in general, or especially now, when a new President is coming in, is clearly not something anyone is bothering to address.

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    Look, I am as happy to continue discussing this, err, topic. While we’re on the subject, we might resurrect the old Russians-paying-bounties-to-Taliban pile of steaming male cow manure. But what is the point? Until any actual evidence is produced, this is just another Iraqi weapons of mass destruction type of psyop designed to justify the escalation on the US side, to wit, the mythical North Koreans are literally the stated reason for permitting the Ukrainians to use ATACMS against core Russian territory.

    And yes, in theory anything is possible.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Arrow wrote:The US administration has authorized the use of missiles with a range of up to 300 km for strikes on Russian territory; this was discussed at a meeting of EU foreign ministers, Borrell said.

I guess this is officially confirmed

Putin has no one to blame but himself for, wanting to play nice.

Playing nice is always severely punished in international politics and war.

Having seen this SMO long enough. I am convinced the Russian MOD and the Kremlin would be delighted to have NATO troops intervene directly in Ukrying and disarm them in the process, inflicting an already unpopular war into a full fledged political crisis within NATO countries.

NATO hiding behind the Nazi puppet state serves no purpose to Russian geopolitics in the long term. It is to be broken up by sheer humiliation if relations with the West are to be restored in this century.

Ukraine at best could build a dirty bomb only. There is a big difference to having access to uranium and enriching it, a lot of countries have access to uranium but can't enrich it. As plutonium there is also a difference to plant use and weapons grade. Having visited Chernobyl three times and asking various questions to the site manager a few asked about could Ukraine built nuclear weapons and become a nuclear nation this was before Russian invasion and the question was asked in 2009, 2014, and 2019 as well. The answer was the same we/they don't have facilities to make weapons grade nuclear material.

So at best a dirty bomb could be made. Zelensky has just clutching at straws and desperate and most likely a high dose of coke along with these pipe dreams

Wow and now you think of yourself as some kind of genius for regurgitating the obvious? Lol Laughing

You are a Pathetic Concern Troll and you try to present yourself as someone who speaks the truth by mixing FACTS and FICTION. And then you go as far as Accusing others of LYING when you are a Notorious LIAR yourself Laughing

Recall that several months ago you made a MORONIC claim about how Putin will Capitulate to NATO in Two Months. I challenged you to Pay with your Life if your claim is proven wrong but you chickened out and hid behind your mother's skirt and had me reported to the Mod Laughing

Now here you are again making OUTRAGEOUS claims about how Putin will Capitualte to NATO, for the Ten thousand time Rolling Eyes

Your real intention is to Badmouth Putin and hope to influence other people to hate the Russian leadership. This won't work. You have been Exposed little NAziTO pooch.

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Oh I have no intention to convince anyone here of anything I learned a long time ago people here have their heads so far up asses, it doesn't matter what truth slaps them in the face, they will keep believing the BS they want to

When did I say Putin would Capitulate to NATO?. Mind showing me this claim, that I said Putin would surrender in two months? I would like to see it because I never said this. You are literally making shit up or trying to put words in my mouth.

I have also said Russians are pussyfooting in this war and they have been nor am I the only one who thinks so. In fact Members of the Duma and other high ranking Russians think so also. for a guy accusing me of lying your ass is lying right now.

Also Garry I require some insight on forum rules. I know forum rules say this isn't allowed but you have allowed this nutcase on more then one occasion to promote genocide use racists terms etc

he rewrote my name to include the word Nigger, which is a racist remark. I don't care that he did it, I just got to know are there no rules now? what's the operating procedure here?.

ALAMO wrote:STFU village fool, nobody cares about your shit.

Hey man, you told me Ukraine ran out of men three years ago, I gotta know where is Ukraine getting all the men it has now.

Cloning facilities? are they necromancers?

and 2/10 what is this 1980's? Five year olds can do better.

I also wanna ask about the other dozens of claims you made that turned out to be false, you the expert you assured me that was the case..but you where wrong how can that be?

Scorpius wrote:I repeat the question once again
Even if we assume that Ukraine will actually have nuclear weapons tomorrow - well, what does that change?
If the NAFOid shitards wanted to unleash a nuclear war, they could have already launched a nuclear strike on Moscow. An attempt to attack Moscow through the Ukronazis will cause exactly the same reaction - Washington and Brussels will burn down.

Finally a sensible statement, In reality, it won't change much if anything it would only help the Russians, as Ukraine startingt he process of Nukes would defacto give even the most anti-Russian countries a reason to say. Ukraine is going too far and would likely result in all support being dropped, because he is crazy enough to use them if he got em.

Not only that it would force the Russians to go balls to the wall and end this ASAP, because they cannot risk a madman like Zelen having his hands on Nukes, he is crazy enough to launch them if he has them, it would be just way to big of a risk for even Putin to ignore

It would be a convenient excuse if you ask me, there are some countries who are getting tired of support Ukraine, so them being able to go "Yeah we cannot risk Ukraine starting Nuclear war, we are dipping out bye bye"

So I don't see him being allowed to build one ever, that doesn't change Ukraine has the facilities to jerry rig a basic bomb in a few years if they really put their mind to it.

Finally the reality  

The US Department of Defense cannot confirm the participation of North Korean troops in the fighting in Ukraine or their presence in the Kursk region, said Pentagon deputy spokeswoman Sabrina Singh.