Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Scorpius wrote:Washington and Brussels will burn down.

Russian Air Defences Downed 5 ATACMS Missiles Over Bryansk Region, 11.19.2024.

The armed forces of Ukraine struck with six ATACMS ballistic missiles at the Bryansk Region, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.

"At 3:25 a.m. tonight [local time, 00:25 GMT], the enemy struck a facility in the Bryansk Region with six ballistic missiles. According to confirmed data, US-made ATACMS tactical missiles have been used," the report read.

Russian air defence systems shot down five missiles, one was damaged. Its fragments fell on the technical territory of a military facility in the Bryansk region, which caused a fire, which was promptly eliminated, the ministry said, adding that there were no causalities or destruction.

Russian army used the S-400 air defence system and the Pantsir missile defence system.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20241119/russian-air-defenses-downed-5-atacms-missiles-over-bryansk-region-1120927140.html

SeigSoloyvov wrote:I honestly cannot believe this is even being debated, that somehow Ukraine isn't allowed to use foreign arms on Russian soil, during a goddam war.

Firebird wrote:Simple solution. Russia gives the Houthis (or one of many enemies of America) missiles to sink a GAYTO aircraft carrier.
Then expect alot of AMerican talk about "de-escalation" instead of "standing by the Ukraine in the face of Russian evil".

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Its called geopolitical and its part of the game

SeigSoloyvov wrote:So your argument is because if Russian enemies provided the weapons its wrong.

The USSR provided weapons to countries that fought the US in the past was it wrong then? we also in the past supplied arms to countries to strike at USSR forces

There were soviet weapons made in the USSR given to factions to strike at US forces. This has been going on since the 50's.

The fact that its on russian turf means nothing here, it really doesn't. It's a war, your territory is fair game during a war, doesn't matter who gives the weapons. so either no one can do it or everyone can do it.

There is no strawman, its basic logic. The day Russia stops using foreign-made weapons in Ukraine, THEN they can demand and not seem childish.

Until then I don't hypocritical bullshit

SeigSoloyvov wrote:So your argument is because if Russian enemies provided the weapons its wrong.

The USSR provided weapons to countries that fought the US in the past was it wrong then? we also in the past supplied arms to countries to strike at USSR forces

There were soviet weapons made in the USSR given to factions to strike at US forces. This has been going on since the 50's.

The fact that its on russian turf means nothing here, it really doesn't. It's a war, your territory is fair game during a war, doesn't matter who gives the weapons. so either no one can do it or everyone can do it.

There is no strawman, its basic logic. The day Russia stops using foreign-made weapons in Ukraine, THEN they can demand and not seem childish.

Until then I don't hypocritical bullshit

Arrow wrote:First official reaction from Moscow to the ATACMS missile strike on Bryansk region. Lavrov commented on the situation at a press conference during the G20 summit.  Russia is firmly committed to the position of preventing nuclear war."



FP You see, there is already a reaction from Moscow. A slight outrage. There will be no reaction at all. The attacks themselves will not change anything, but the Russian authorities have been very strong in threatening the consequences if ATACMs attack Russian territory, claiming that it will be NATO's involvement in the war. Why use such words?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
The USSR provided weapons to countries that fought the US in the past was it wrong then?

flamming_python wrote:
He said that he hopes that the Western states will read Russia's updated nuclear doctrine in full (that was approved by Putin today).

They don't give a **** about your nuclear doctrines Lavrov. You'll have to do something more substantive.