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    Post  Arrow Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:48 am

    He has perfectly zero tools to add to this conflict to change wrote:

    I don't know exactly where this belief of some on this forum comes from that Trump will change anything. US policy will not change and there will perhaps be an even greater escalation of actions by the US parties. I wonder if they will withdraw from the START 3 treaty, i.e. not extend it.
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    Post  Mir Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:57 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    He can say anything he wats to Cocainsky. Let's wait and see how brave he will be to repeat that to his Black Rock curators. Maybe Dallas will visit him in Tampa, who knows ...

    Exactly. It's not Trump's decision at all. We actually saw it first hand during his first term promising to "drain the swamp". Instead he loaded his administration with war hawks like Pompeo and Bolton. Laughing

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    Post  Mir Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:59 am

    Arrow wrote:

    I don't know exactly where this belief of some on this forum comes from that Trump will change anything. US policy will not change and there will perhaps be an even greater escalation of actions by the US parties. I wonder if they will withdraw from the START 3 treaty, i.e. not extend it.

    Again I have to say "exactly"! US foreign policy will not shift it's focus ONE IOTA Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Arrow Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:00 am

    And he got out of the INF treaty and tried to develop new small tactical nuclear weapons, etc.There will probably be an even bigger arms race.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:34 am

    On the other hand, INF was restricting only Russia and the US - so from the perspective finishing it off will benefit both.

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    Post  lyle6 Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:55 am

    ALAMO wrote:On  the other hand, INF was restricting only Russia and the US - so from the perspective finishing it off will benefit both.
    Both sides weren't respecting the INF in spirit and in letter.

    How the hell are you supposed to verify if a full range Kalibr or Tomahawk launch came from naval vessels and not from land based launchers?

    A pinky swear? Razz
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:07 am

    Nah, by not having a land based launchers.
    Which was the case.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:14 am

    I wonder if they will leave START. For Russia it would be much less negative than for the US, Russia can quickly increase its strategic arsenal. The US has no chance of a nuclear arms race.
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    Post  lyle6 Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:23 am

    ALAMO wrote:Nah, by not having a land based launchers.
    Which was the case.
    The Iskander launchers carry significantly heavier missiles than the full power naval Kalibr. Even has the fittings for launching actual Kalibr missiles. dunno


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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:26 am

    ... and Muricans have a fully operational Mk 41 in "land" version capable of using Tomahawks, so ...
    But nobody claimed that officially, and let's say that till now the sole confirmed case is an increased range Iskander.
    Lege artis...

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:02 am

    Comprador Gorbie serviced NATzO well with the INF Treaty.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:09 am

    Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs. Either parts of Ukraine join Russia (via referendums or not) or they are left as a separate entity. Occupations
    just breed resentment and feed into guerrilla warfare which is what NATzO wants to sap Russia. Western Ukria (Galicia, etc.) needs to be left alone. I do not
    see how it can be turned into a protectorate since it is unlikely any pro-Russian regime can be installed. Let NATzO have this "prize".

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    Post  franco Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:36 am

    Russian MoD reporting 2080 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including Kursk;

    During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to more than 250 soldiers, eight infantry fighting vehicles were destroyed, including two Bradley infantry fighting vehicles manufactured in the United States, and six armored combat vehicles, as well as two artillery pieces, two mortars and eight cars.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536213@egNews

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    Post  Firebird Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:36 am

    |Wow. So the Cackling Turd has lost.
    But BEWARE.
    This was engineered by America's powers that be, as it always is.


    Its the "good cop bad cop" scam.
    America CANNOT EVER be trusted.
    The American people (supposedly) voted against Creepy Joe and his son milking hohol gas contracts... and of course much else.

    Trump is unpredictable, very likely intimidated. He could be a wolf in sheep's clothing this time round.
    Russia must be MORE cunning and even more untrusting than ever before.
    And finish the job in it's entirety.
    If Trumpster doesn't like it. He can get back to being peed over by whores.

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    Post  franco Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:40 am

    The Kursk adventure has now resulted in over 30,000 Ukrainian casualties and 2700+ pieces of military equipment destroyed...

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 30050 military personnel, 184 tanks, 115 infantry fighting vehicles, 107 armored personnel carriers, 1088 armored combat vehicles, 817 vehicles, 261 artillery pieces, 40 multiple rocket launchers, including 11 HIMARS and six MLRS manufactured by the United States, 11 anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, seven transport-loading vehicles, 59 electronic warfare stations, 12 counter-battery radars, four air defense radars, 26 units of engineering and other equipment, of which 13 engineering barrier vehicles, one UR-77 mine clearance unit, as well as five armored recovery vehicles and a command and staff vehicle.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536213@egNews

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:12 pm

    NATO secretary Rutti Frutti on Twitter:

    I just congratulated @realDonaldTrump
    on his election as President of the United States. His leadership will again be key to keeping our Alliance strong. I look forward to working with him again to advance peace through strength through #NATO.

    well let's rephrase: War is peace. Now officially.


    https://x.com/SecGenNATO/status/1854073276688904323


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    Post  nomadski Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:37 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs.  Either parts of Ukraine join Russia (via referendums or not) or they are left as a separate entity.  Occupations
    just breed resentment and feed into guerrilla warfare which is what NATzO wants to sap Russia.    Western Ukria (Galicia, etc.) needs to be left alone.   I do not
    see how it can be turned into a protectorate since it is unlikely any pro-Russian regime can be installed.   Let NATzO have this "prize".  


    What if all the Orcs leadership escape to Galicia , and set up their headquarters of " resistance , " there ? And Russia can easily go over and arrest them all ? Arrest all their Dogs and Cats ? Do this in less than a week , with no casualties and take them all to Siberia ? Wash , Rinse , repeat ? With Drone strikes next time ? Or exploding pagers ? Or salmon mousse ?


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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:19 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid02fmYYwseerEbgLp6pLMDTj1BTRGsedn1Dpjb2j4g2vkoFb4kqy5tSpyCGci4F9a1jl

    In the past, Kiev used to mock Russia about using Russian seamen as foot soldiers.
    But now Kiev is using Ukrainian airmen as infantry.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:06 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs.  Either parts of Ukraine join Russia (via referendums or not) or they are left as a separate entity.  Occupations
    just breed resentment and feed into guerrilla warfare which is what NATzO wants to sap Russia.    Western Ukria (Galicia, etc.) needs to be left alone.   I do not
    see how it can be turned into a protectorate since it is unlikely any pro-Russian regime can be installed.   Let NATzO have this "prize".  
    If Russia could de-nazify East Germany they can do the same for Galicia.

    I think the solution is pretty simple. Everything East of the Dnieper becomes oblasts of the Russian Federation. The river will provide a natural barrier. The west of the Dnieper should be broken into three separate areas. Novorossiya, Malorossiya, and Galicia. The name 'Ukraine' should be obliterated. Novorossiya eventually becomes integrated into the Russian Federation as oblasts but in the meantime there should be a transition government. Malorossiya and Galicia become republics.

    In the transition period Malorossiya, Galicia, and Novorossiya get military governors in charge of the civilian government similar to Poland after WW2.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 06, 2024 3:17 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    If Russia could de-nazify East Germany they can do the same for Galicia.

    Hardly.
    It has been done, first of all, by placing 2.7 mln Germans in POW camps, and deportation of a further 1.7 mln civs.
    Those people have been physically broken and devastated to the level when they just obey.
    No chance for political mood to repeat that, because neither the hate pool nor atrocities between the sides are big enough.
    Keep those galizien bastards decompose as a statehood by itself.

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Nov 06, 2024 5:05 pm

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Nov 06, 2024 6:19 pm

    Very possible.
    Vance has said Ukraine has lost and that they will need to cede territory.

    He wouldn't make these statements if Trump didn't agree

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:03 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid0WhoqbTFm7QiN4cAoLtSJyMsKVJEztiw7vTKvcrqMn9nNBNujFrmedbBkCwa4qSBAl

    About the phenomenon that several of Kiev's units, such as the 47th brigade, accepting deserted soldiers into their ranks. It can be due to these soldiers deliberately deserted their own units to register themselves in to the 47th Brigade.

    Compare to other units of the Kiev armed forces, units like 47th brigade have better financial status, get access to more equipment, and also can get access better to "donations". It is tempting for some Ukrainian soldiers to desire a transfer to a more wealthy units. And if their old units refuse such transfers, these soldiers will try a "planned" desert only to register for the wealthy formations that are willing to accept deserters.

    Such events show the high level of dis-organization and chaos amongst the Kiev armed forces.

    Reader's comments wrote:- But we know elite units like Ukrainian 47th brigade were frequently to be deployed in hotspots without any recuperation. Are these "planned" deserters willing to put themselves in to meat grinders ?
    - Well all Ukrainian people are being put into meat grinder regardless of units and deployments. So why not choosing the ones that have the most money and better equipment ?
    - I bet these wealthy units such as 47th brigade - in the case that they survive the war - are planning to occupy a strip of valuable land and aiming be a local warlord in post-war Ukraine.
    - Will these warlords engage in a civil war against themselves and against the Kiev government ?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:18 pm

    since we are talking Trump, well he's unpredictable as all hell. If he isn't a puppet of terrible mic and war pimps, there will be peace within the next year and it may be a fairly long lived one. That's good. More than likely, and I hope this isn't the case, Putin gets suckered into a Minsk 3.0 which means yet another round of wars in the next several years. Worse case scenario, Trump tries to get tough on Putin and puts flagged troops into Ukraine to goad Putin into a direct war and it goes nuclear. 2025 is going to be very interesting.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Nov 06, 2024 11:29 pm

    franco wrote:The Kursk adventure has now resulted in over 30,000 Ukrainian casualties and 2700+ pieces of military equipment destroyed...

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 30050 military personnel, 184 tanks, 115 infantry fighting vehicles, 107 armored personnel carriers, 1088 armored combat vehicles, 817 vehicles, 261 artillery pieces, 40 multiple rocket launchers, including 11 HIMARS and six MLRS manufactured by the United States, 11 anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, seven transport-loading vehicles, 59 electronic warfare stations, 12 counter-battery radars, four air defense radars, 26 units of engineering and other equipment, of which 13 engineering barrier vehicles, one UR-77 mine clearance unit, as well as five armored recovery vehicles and a command and staff vehicle.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536213@egNews

    These losses are bigger than the miliaries of most European NATO countries Laughing

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