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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

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    Post  LMFS Today at 12:33 am

    lancelot wrote:
    kvs wrote:Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs.  Either parts of Ukraine join Russia (via referendums or not) or they are left as a separate entity.  Occupations
    just breed resentment and feed into guerrilla warfare which is what NATzO wants to sap Russia.    Western Ukria (Galicia, etc.) needs to be left alone.   I do not
    see how it can be turned into a protectorate since it is unlikely any pro-Russian regime can be installed.   Let NATzO have this "prize".  
    If Russia could de-nazify East Germany they can do the same for Galicia.

    I think the solution is pretty simple. Everything East of the Dnieper becomes oblasts of the Russian Federation. The river will provide a natural barrier. The west of the Dnieper should be broken into three separate areas. Novorossiya, Malorossiya, and Galicia. The name 'Ukraine' should be obliterated. Novorossiya eventually becomes integrated into the Russian Federation as oblasts but in the meantime there should be a transition government. Malorossiya and Galicia become republics.

    In the transition period Malorossiya, Galicia, and Novorossiya get military governors in charge of the civilian government similar to Poland after WW2.

    Ok, but Nikolaev and Odessa are Russian, period.

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    Post  LMFS Today at 12:47 am

    Trump is just another unhinged American supremacist train that the globalist cabal tried to jump last minute onto to save their hegemony. It will result on the same old shit we all know, nothing to see here I am afraid...

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    Post  GarryB Today at 2:23 am

    I don't know exactly where this belief of some on this forum comes from that Trump will change anything. US policy will not change and there will perhaps be an even greater escalation of actions by the US parties. I wonder if they will withdraw from the START 3 treaty, i.e. not extend it.

    It doesn't matter about START... pretty soon the US is going to go apeshit about unlimited range nuclear torpedo drones and nuclear powered cruise missiles... and of course the nuclear tug they are developing could go into orbit over the US and drop nukes on them constantly using its nuclear powered engines to change trajectory making it nearly impossible to shoot down too.

    Not to mention the president will be told that China is now mass producing nuclear weapons too and in 10 years will have more than anyone else... and whether that is right or wrong it wont matter...

    A new Arms Race is almost inevitable and it is going to cost trillions... to the US.


    Again I have to say "exactly"! US foreign policy will not shift it's focus ONE IOTA

    Dare I say.... good. The US suddenly becoming smart would be a problem for everyone... With a Kennedy and Musk and Gabbard and other sensible people and he has said his family will not get any government jobs this time around... I think Trump is going to do a better job for the US this time... whether that is good for the rest of the world or not is another question.

    Putin will have felt the death of every Russian civilian and soldier in this conflict and I rather doubt he will rush to accept any breadcrumb Trump wants to drop on the ground in front of him.

    The real problem is what Biden can set in stone between now and when Trump takes office because the Ukraine was making his family very rich...

    Both sides weren't respecting the INF in spirit and in letter.

    How the hell are you supposed to verify if a full range Kalibr or Tomahawk launch came from naval vessels and not from land based launchers?

    A pinky swear

    Russia didn't have any land based Kalibr launchers. The US had AEGIS Ashore that was compatible with Tomahawks.

    The west claimed the Iskander missile exceeded the allowed range limits, yet there is still no evidence of this being true. It was two weeks after the end of the INF treaty that the US tested a Tomahawk cruise missile from AEGIS ASHORE... something they said was impossible while the INF treaty was in force. The two week delay was political rather than technical.

    I wonder if they will leave START. For Russia it would be much less negative than for the US, Russia can quickly increase its strategic arsenal. The US has no chance of a nuclear arms race.

    Could say the same when Sputnik entered orbit, but the US will spend money when ego and pride are at stake... what is another trillion in debt?

    Comprador Gorbie serviced NATzO well with the INF Treaty.

    That is not fair. Intermediate range missiles were very destabilising as they could be launched without warning at any time and hit Moscow in minutes. This meant the Soviet defence system had to be on a hair trigger because one missile slipping through and exploding a nuke over Moscow will blind their air defences from any follow up attack, so the decision to respond with WWIII is reduced to perhaps 3-4 minutes. The people who have to decide would have to make that decision any time of the day or year and if they make a mistake we all pay.

    Getting rid of those weapons at a time when the only defence would be the ABM system around Moscow was important.

    Now that S-350 and S-300V and S-400 and S-500 and various ABM systems in the ABM system around Moscow are operational it is less important... and now Russia has long range precision guided weapons it is to their advantage to develop a range of weapons up to 5,000km in range that are not limited by the START treaty.

    (Note cruise missiles are not counted in START, it is the Bombers that are counted).

    Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs.

    When the Ukraine military collapses the Russian forces will keep the peace while referendums are organised and when the results are in the results will be respected.

    Options will of course only include options relevant to each region and joining the EU or HATO will not be options, but of course western regions with mixed populations might be allowed to join their neighbour countries if both agree. Otherwise neutral demilitarised de nazified.

    You also need to keep in mind that there will be certain Ukrainian individuals that the Russian forces would like to see put on trial... I rather doubt they will come willingly.

    Trump is unpredictable, very likely intimidated. He could be a wolf in sheep's clothing this time round.
    Russia must be MORE cunning and even more untrusting than ever before.
    And finish the job in it's entirety.
    If Trumpster doesn't like it. He can get back to being peed over by whores.

    Agree. Trump has made a lot of promises. Putin hasn't. He is ready to talk assuming the reality on the ground is accepted, which means the new Russian regions are not up for discussion or trade, and we are winning and will win eventually so your offer had better be good... we are in no hurry... we want this done right not done fast.

    What if all the Orcs leadership escape to Galicia , and set up their headquarters of " resistance ,

    They clearly have spies grassing up the nazis... if the orcs run to the western part of the country then that is where the bombs and missiles will arrive, and the front line will keep moving forward until they give up.

    Worse case scenario, Trump tries to get tough on Putin and puts flagged troops into Ukraine to goad Putin into a direct war and it goes nuclear. 2025 is going to be very interesting.

    The Russians have already targeted Mercs and HATO officers in HQs.... why would they have any problem spilling US blood in a conflict that is everything to do with their masters wishes?

    Trump is just another unhinged American supremacist train that the globalist cabal tried to jump last minute onto to save their hegemony. It will result on the same old shit we all know, nothing to see here I am afraid...

    He has had one term in office and from what he as said about it he learned having Bolton and Hayley and Pompeo on his team was a big mistake. He also said having family members holding government positions was a bad idea too. This time around he has Tucker Carlson and Musk and Kennedy and even Gabbard on his side... I am rather hopeful he might do a better job than Harris or Biden who seemed to be more worried about the Ukraine than America.

    I am not saying Trump fixes everything, and in some areas he will probably make things worse, I am saying he was the best of two very bad choices that the US political system creates for the American people.

    He was so easily goaded into putting sanctions on Russia by saying he is Putins puppet... in other words he did the opposite of what he promised to do (work with Russia where it benefited the US) because his pride and ego were being hurt... He is easily manipulated.


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