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    Post  LMFS Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:33 am

    lancelot wrote:
    kvs wrote:Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs.  Either parts of Ukraine join Russia (via referendums or not) or they are left as a separate entity.  Occupations
    just breed resentment and feed into guerrilla warfare which is what NATzO wants to sap Russia.    Western Ukria (Galicia, etc.) needs to be left alone.   I do not
    see how it can be turned into a protectorate since it is unlikely any pro-Russian regime can be installed.   Let NATzO have this "prize".  
    If Russia could de-nazify East Germany they can do the same for Galicia.

    I think the solution is pretty simple. Everything East of the Dnieper becomes oblasts of the Russian Federation. The river will provide a natural barrier. The west of the Dnieper should be broken into three separate areas. Novorossiya, Malorossiya, and Galicia. The name 'Ukraine' should be obliterated. Novorossiya eventually becomes integrated into the Russian Federation as oblasts but in the meantime there should be a transition government. Malorossiya and Galicia become republics.

    In the transition period Malorossiya, Galicia, and Novorossiya get military governors in charge of the civilian government similar to Poland after WW2.

    Ok, but Nikolaev and Odessa are Russian, period.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Nov 07, 2024 12:47 am

    Trump is just another unhinged American supremacist train that the globalist cabal tried to jump last minute onto to save their hegemony. It will result on the same old shit we all know, nothing to see here I am afraid...

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:23 am

    I don't know exactly where this belief of some on this forum comes from that Trump will change anything. US policy will not change and there will perhaps be an even greater escalation of actions by the US parties. I wonder if they will withdraw from the START 3 treaty, i.e. not extend it.

    It doesn't matter about START... pretty soon the US is going to go apeshit about unlimited range nuclear torpedo drones and nuclear powered cruise missiles... and of course the nuclear tug they are developing could go into orbit over the US and drop nukes on them constantly using its nuclear powered engines to change trajectory making it nearly impossible to shoot down too.

    Not to mention the president will be told that China is now mass producing nuclear weapons too and in 10 years will have more than anyone else... and whether that is right or wrong it wont matter...

    A new Arms Race is almost inevitable and it is going to cost trillions... to the US.


    Again I have to say "exactly"! US foreign policy will not shift it's focus ONE IOTA

    Dare I say.... good. The US suddenly becoming smart would be a problem for everyone... With a Kennedy and Musk and Gabbard and other sensible people and he has said his family will not get any government jobs this time around... I think Trump is going to do a better job for the US this time... whether that is good for the rest of the world or not is another question.

    Putin will have felt the death of every Russian civilian and soldier in this conflict and I rather doubt he will rush to accept any breadcrumb Trump wants to drop on the ground in front of him.

    The real problem is what Biden can set in stone between now and when Trump takes office because the Ukraine was making his family very rich...

    Both sides weren't respecting the INF in spirit and in letter.

    How the hell are you supposed to verify if a full range Kalibr or Tomahawk launch came from naval vessels and not from land based launchers?

    A pinky swear

    Russia didn't have any land based Kalibr launchers. The US had AEGIS Ashore that was compatible with Tomahawks.

    The west claimed the Iskander missile exceeded the allowed range limits, yet there is still no evidence of this being true. It was two weeks after the end of the INF treaty that the US tested a Tomahawk cruise missile from AEGIS ASHORE... something they said was impossible while the INF treaty was in force. The two week delay was political rather than technical.

    I wonder if they will leave START. For Russia it would be much less negative than for the US, Russia can quickly increase its strategic arsenal. The US has no chance of a nuclear arms race.

    Could say the same when Sputnik entered orbit, but the US will spend money when ego and pride are at stake... what is another trillion in debt?

    Comprador Gorbie serviced NATzO well with the INF Treaty.

    That is not fair. Intermediate range missiles were very destabilising as they could be launched without warning at any time and hit Moscow in minutes. This meant the Soviet defence system had to be on a hair trigger because one missile slipping through and exploding a nuke over Moscow will blind their air defences from any follow up attack, so the decision to respond with WWIII is reduced to perhaps 3-4 minutes. The people who have to decide would have to make that decision any time of the day or year and if they make a mistake we all pay.

    Getting rid of those weapons at a time when the only defence would be the ABM system around Moscow was important.

    Now that S-350 and S-300V and S-400 and S-500 and various ABM systems in the ABM system around Moscow are operational it is less important... and now Russia has long range precision guided weapons it is to their advantage to develop a range of weapons up to 5,000km in range that are not limited by the START treaty.

    (Note cruise missiles are not counted in START, it is the Bombers that are counted).

    Russia needs to avoid "occupation" at all costs.

    When the Ukraine military collapses the Russian forces will keep the peace while referendums are organised and when the results are in the results will be respected.

    Options will of course only include options relevant to each region and joining the EU or HATO will not be options, but of course western regions with mixed populations might be allowed to join their neighbour countries if both agree. Otherwise neutral demilitarised de nazified.

    You also need to keep in mind that there will be certain Ukrainian individuals that the Russian forces would like to see put on trial... I rather doubt they will come willingly.

    Trump is unpredictable, very likely intimidated. He could be a wolf in sheep's clothing this time round.
    Russia must be MORE cunning and even more untrusting than ever before.
    And finish the job in it's entirety.
    If Trumpster doesn't like it. He can get back to being peed over by whores.

    Agree. Trump has made a lot of promises. Putin hasn't. He is ready to talk assuming the reality on the ground is accepted, which means the new Russian regions are not up for discussion or trade, and we are winning and will win eventually so your offer had better be good... we are in no hurry... we want this done right not done fast.

    What if all the Orcs leadership escape to Galicia , and set up their headquarters of " resistance ,

    They clearly have spies grassing up the nazis... if the orcs run to the western part of the country then that is where the bombs and missiles will arrive, and the front line will keep moving forward until they give up.

    Worse case scenario, Trump tries to get tough on Putin and puts flagged troops into Ukraine to goad Putin into a direct war and it goes nuclear. 2025 is going to be very interesting.

    The Russians have already targeted Mercs and HATO officers in HQs.... why would they have any problem spilling US blood in a conflict that is everything to do with their masters wishes?

    Trump is just another unhinged American supremacist train that the globalist cabal tried to jump last minute onto to save their hegemony. It will result on the same old shit we all know, nothing to see here I am afraid...

    He has had one term in office and from what he as said about it he learned having Bolton and Hayley and Pompeo on his team was a big mistake. He also said having family members holding government positions was a bad idea too. This time around he has Tucker Carlson and Musk and Kennedy and even Gabbard on his side... I am rather hopeful he might do a better job than Harris or Biden who seemed to be more worried about the Ukraine than America.

    I am not saying Trump fixes everything, and in some areas he will probably make things worse, I am saying he was the best of two very bad choices that the US political system creates for the American people.

    He was so easily goaded into putting sanctions on Russia by saying he is Putins puppet... in other words he did the opposite of what he promised to do (work with Russia where it benefited the US) because his pride and ego were being hurt... He is easily manipulated.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:17 am

    http://www.idcommunism.com/2024/11/you-shall-not-pass-greek-communists-blocked-trucks-carrying-ammunition-to-ukraine.html#more

    "You Shall Not Pass!": Greek communists blocked trucks carrying ammunition to Ukraine

    Members of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE) and its Communist Youth, KNE, in the town of Tyrnavos, in Thessaly region, set up a blockade on six trucks carrying ammunition to Ukraine.  

    As 902.gr portal reported, the Communists blocked the road by staying firmly in front of the trucks with banners and flags thus forcing them to stop and retreat.

    According to information, the vehicles were carrying ammunition from a local army camp to Ukraine, according to the bilateral agreement signed between the Greek government and Zelensky's regime.

    Slogans like "NATO Killers Go Home" on them were written by the protesters on the trucks as they were retreating.

    KKE MEP Vasilis Metaxas, who participated in the mobilization, stressed: "We denounce the ND government which, on behalf of domestic business groups, is emptying Greek camps of ammunition, thus involving the country in an unjust imperialist war. The government bears huge responsibilities since it involves us in the bloodshed of the peoples. The peoples have the power to intervene powerfully in the developments and provide a way out of the imperialist wars. We continue, we will not leave them in the lurch all over Greece".

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    Post  Firebird Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:19 am

    The supposed "Trump settlement" in the Pukraine doesn't look credible.
    It will have the same results as Minsk 1 and 2.
    It will allow NATO and the Bandera-filth to creep forward and rearm for another "bad cop" US presidency and another HUGE attack on the Russian World.

    Trump has little to none genuine power. He could be eliminated tomorrow. But more likely he is now pretty scared of being murdered... or even poisoned and catching "turbo cancer" or some other (not very) "natural illness".

    Russia simply has to keep going. Inherit the Pukraine and tell the Western devils to **** off with the arms debts. Because BRICS is the one with credibility, not the Empire of Lies.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:35 am

    All that Ukraine should be at the end of the operation is just a very narrow demilitarised strip of land (less than 4km wide) between Russia new western regions (which 8 centuries ago were called krasnaya rus/ rus chervona) and unfriendly nations, like the Korean DMZ.

    At the end Ukraina itself means border land.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:38 am

    Ukraine is no longer a vital interest once Israel is threatened. Trump will sell Ukraine for pennies on the dollar just to have a chance at maybe convincing the Russians not to support the Iranians when the US inevitably invades Iran in the coming years.

    The dangerous part is Putin might just take him up on his offer...

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    Post  LMFS Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:45 am

    GarryB wrote:
    He has had one term in office and from what he as said about it he learned having Bolton and Hayley and Pompeo on his team was a big mistake. He also said having family members holding government positions was a bad idea too. This time around he has Tucker Carlson and Musk and Kennedy and even Gabbard on his side... I am rather hopeful he might do a better job than Harris or Biden who seemed to be more worried about the Ukraine than America.

    I am not saying Trump fixes everything, and in some areas he will probably make things worse, I am saying he was the best of two very bad choices that the US political system creates for the American people.

    He was so easily goaded into putting  sanctions on Russia by saying he is Putins puppet... in other words he did the opposite of what he promised to do (work with Russia where it benefited the US) because his pride and ego were being hurt... He is easily manipulated.


    I agree, and still he is a terminal narcissist, uneducated supremacist zionist puppet that serves the same ultimate purposes of the higher elite. Seeing that the terminal decay of the Democrats made them a non viable tool to control the government, the establishment has ended up accepting him instead as the lesser of two evils. So the tool is changed, the goal remains the same. But on the other hand, I don't think he fools absolutely anyone in Russia at this stage, Putin will have to show good will on the public sphere and make some apertures in order to prevent other emerging powers to get scared by a too powerful and assertive Russia being born and turning their current support into opposition, but that's it. SMO needs to come to its logical conclusion, no matter what charlatan occupies the White House.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:21 am

    Ah yes Trump who is the most antiwar president we have seen in the past 30 or so years is going to invade Iran.

    The insanity here never gets old.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:25 am

    And no Harris was who the establishment wanted in so desperately bad, they did not want Trump elected again.

    The military hid how many troops were in Syria from him, the establishment was doing everything it could to sabotage his Afghan deal, to sabotage his relations with NK.


    For four years they went after him using any excuse they could. Trying to prevent him from running again

    The facts of Trump's presidency are very clear, he would make a deal with you, he would talk with you, he would listen and act accordingly to what he thought is best.

    Trump is hated and massively disliked by main Street Washington because he refuses to be controlled and do as told.

    LMFS you have such a horrid understanding.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Nov 07, 2024 3:37 pm

    I hope you are right, I really do
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    Post  Kiko Thu Nov 07, 2024 3:41 pm

    Ganchev spoke about the advance of Russian troops to Kupyansk, 11.07.2024.

    Ganchev: Russian military is located several kilometres from Kupyansk.

    MOSCOW, November 7 — RIA Novosti. Russian Armed Forces units are already several kilometres from Kupyansk, Vitaly Ganchev, head of the Russian administration of the Kharkov region, told RIA Novosti.

    "Control of the logistics routes of the Kyiv militants allows our fighters to retain the initiative on the battlefield. Several kilometres separate our guys from the suburbs of Kupyansk," the agency's interlocutor said.

    According to him, Russian military personnel are gradually advancing deeper into the Kharkiv region and occupying strongholds of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    As reported by the Ministry of Defence, units of the Russian troop group "West" improved their tactical position and defeated the enemy in the areas of the settlements of Kupyansk, Berestovoye and Petropavlovka in the Kharkov region.

    In early October, the General Staff of the Ukrainian troops identified four areas in which the Ukrainian Armed Forces found themselves in the most difficult situation: Kupyanskoye, Krasnoarmeyskoye, Limanskoye and Kurakhovskoye.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Nov 07, 2024 7:25 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:I hope you are right, I really do

    Trump is highly unpredictable so you don't know what your getting with him until it happens.

    My point was he isn't the establishment candidate that was Harris.

    Going by his and Vance's remarks about Ukriane, he is in favor of ending the war and having Ukraine cede territory.

    Keep in mind trump for the most part did what he said he would do in his last term, something's he couldn't due to o interference but he did keep his word for the most part

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:51 am

    Today's big and little, bangs

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    Post  LMFS Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:09 am

    Just saying...

    Putin: Ukraine's new borders will depend on the dynamics of the offensive and the opinions of residents of historical Russian lands

    https://en.topwar.ru/253372-putin-novye-granicy-ukrainy-budut-zaviset-ot-dinamiki-nastuplenija-i-mnenija-zhitelej-istoricheskih-rossijskih-zemel.html

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 08, 2024 11:20 am

    Putin says lots of things, Just a few days ago he said he was open to talking.



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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:15 pm

    Keep in mind trump for the most part did what he said he would do in his last term, something's he couldn't due to o interference but he did keep his word for the most part

    One thing we had to keep in mind was that the last time Trump was in power he didn't control most Republicans and didn't control all the parts of the US government to allow him to do as he pleases like he will this time around.

    They still seem to be talking about ceasefire and stalemate, which Putin will reject I am sure.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:31 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Just a few days ago he said he was open to talking.

    He has never said anything other than that.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:01 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Just a few days ago he said he was open to talking.

    He has never said anything other than that.

    And he didn't need to say more then that, my point stands regardless
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Keep in mind trump for the most part did what he said he would do in his last term, something's he couldn't due to o interference but he did keep his word for the most part

    One thing we had to keep in mind was that the last time Trump was in power he didn't control most Republicans and didn't control all the parts of the US government to allow him to do as he pleases like he will this time around.

    They still seem to be talking about ceasefire and stalemate, which Putin will reject I am sure.

    That is up to Putin, Zelesky would be the bigger problem for any peace deal.

    He will refuse any deal that involves giving up turf.

    Even if he was smart...he would realize just giving up those four regions is better then losing more of Ukraine.

    If Zelesky puts his foot in the sand and refuses to negotiate Trump is the type who will go "Okay have fun, We are out of here" and all that US support is gone.

    Trump has made it clear that of Zelesky refuses to negotiate with him, he will cut all funding period as Trump unlike other presidents isn't willing to provide blank checks at the tax payers expense

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:10 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (from November 2 to November 8, 2024)

    From November 2 to November 8, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 38 group strikes with precision weapons and attack unmanned aerial vehicles, as a result of which enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, energy facilities used to provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine, infrastructure of military airfields, production workshops and storage sites of unmanned attack boats and unmanned aerial vehicles, arsenals, warehouses were hit ammunition and fuel. In addition, the points of temporary deployment of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries, as well as armored vehicles at the railway loading station, were hit.

    During the week, the units of the North group of forces continued to carry out an operation to destroy the AFU formations in the Kursk region. Air strikes, unmanned aerial vehicles and artillery fire defeated the manpower and equipment of a tank, six mechanized, three airborne assault brigades, a special forces brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade, four air defense brigades and a National Guard brigade. Units of the mechanized, motorized infantry, and jaeger brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, three defense brigades and a National Guard brigade were defeated in the Kharkiv direction. During the week in the area of responsibility of the North group of forces, enemy losses amounted to over 2020 military personnel, nine tanks, 20 infantry fighting vehicles, including six Bradley infantry fighting vehicles manufactured by the United States, 34 other armored combat vehicles, 66 vehicles and 21 field artillery guns.

    The coordinated actions of the units of the Zapad group of troops liberated the village of Pershotravnevoye in the Kharkiv region. The manpower and equipment of the tank, six mechanized, assault, airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and four air defense brigades were defeated. 32 counterattacks of the AFU units were reflected. The enemy lost more than 3,160 troops, three tanks, seven M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured by the United States and five other armored combat vehicles, 24 vehicles, 23 field artillery guns, 13 of them produced by NATO countries. Four electronic warfare stations and 19 field ammunition depots were destroyed.

    As a result of the active actions of the units of the "Southern" group of troops, the settlement of Antonovka of the Donetsk People's Republic was liberated. The formations of seven mechanized, motorized infantry, assault, two airmobile, amphibious assault, artillery brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense brigade and the National Guard brigade were defeated. 11 counterattacks of the assault units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were reflected. The enemy's losses amounted to over 4,420 military personnel, four armored combat vehicles, 38 vehicles, 21 field artillery guns, 12 of them Western-made, 10 electronic warfare stations and eight field ammunition depots.

    Units of the Center group of forces continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense and liberated the settlements of Kurakhovka, Vishnevoye and Kremennaya Balka of the Donetsk People's Republic. The manpower and equipment of six mechanized, motorized infantry, jaeger, airborne brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two marine brigades, five air defense brigades, two National Guard brigades and the assault brigade "Lyut" of the National Police of Ukraine were defeated. We repelled 61 enemy counterattacks. During the week, the losses of the Ukrainian armed forces in this area amounted to over 3,440 servicemen, two tanks, 27 armored combat vehicles, including five M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured by the United States, 31 field artillery guns and 23 vehicles.

    As a result of the decisive actions of the units of the Vostok group of forces, the settlement of Maksimovka in the Donetsk People's Republic was liberated. The formations of two mechanized, motorized infantry, infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade, two air defense brigades and a National Guard brigade were defeated. The enemy lost up to 820 troops, three tanks, 13 armored combat vehicles, 34 vehicles and nine 155-mm self-propelled artillery units manufactured by NATO countries.

    Units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated the manpower and equipment of the mechanized, infantry, mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and three air defense brigades. The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to up to 470 military personnel, two armored combat vehicles, 17 vehicles, eight field artillery guns, three electronic warfare stations and six field ammunition depots.

    By means of air defense, a MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian air Force, eight ATACMS tactical missiles and 11 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers manufactured in the United States, 17 guided Hammer bombs manufactured in France and 290 unmanned aerial vehicles of the aircraft type were shot down.

    During the week, 47 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 648 aircraft, 283 helicopters, 35,409 unmanned aerial vehicles, 585 anti-aircraft missile systems, 19,141 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,486 multiple rocket launchers, 17,488 field artillery and mortars, 28,100 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536490@egNews

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:12 pm

    Russian MoD reporting 14,330 Ukrainian casualties over the past 7 days.

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:14 pm

    Summary of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the progress of repelling the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk region (as of November 8, 2024)

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue their actions to defeat the enemy group that has entered the territory of the Kursk region.

    Units of the North group of forces continued conducting offensive operations, during which they defeated formations of the 21st, 22nd, 41st and 115th mechanized, 17th Tank, 82nd and 95th airborne assault brigades, 36th Marine Brigade, 112-The 1st and 129th brigades of the territorial Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Darino, Leonidovo, Nikolaevo-Darino, Novoivanovka and Plekhovo.

    The units of the group reflected 11 enemy counterattacks in the direction of the settlements of Darino, Zeleny Shlyakh, Malaya Loknya, Nikolaevo-Darino and Novoivanovka. An attempt to break through the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the state border of the Russian Federation in the area of the settlement of Novy Put was also prevented.

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 80 people killed and wounded, two tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles, four armored combat vehicles and four vehicles were destroyed. Two servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered.

    Army aviation strikes and artillery fire defeated concentrations of manpower and equipment of the 22nd, 41st, 47th and 61st mechanized, 17th tank, 80th and 95th airborne assault brigades, the 36th Marine Brigade, as well as the 1st Brigade special purpose, 112th, 129th brigades of the Territorial Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 17th Brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Alexandria, Viktorovka, Guevo, Darino, Kolmakov, Kruglenke, Kurilovka, Leonidovo, Martynovka, Makhnovka, Melovoye, Nikolaevo-Darino, Nikolsky, Novaya Sorochina, Novoivanovka, Sverdlikovo, Plekhovo, Cherkassk Porechnoye and Yuzhny.

    Tactical aviation and missile forces attacked the areas of concentration in the Sumy region and the reserves of the 21st, 22nd, 47th and 115th mechanized, 95th airborne assault brigades, as well as the 1st Special Purpose Brigade and the 129th Territorial Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas the settlements of Basovka, Belovody, Vodolagi, Zhuravka, Miropole, Pavlovka and Rechki.

    During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to more than 300 soldiers, four tanks, six infantry fighting vehicles, six armored combat vehicles, as well as two mortars and 11 vehicles were destroyed. Two servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered.

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 30,500 troops, 189 tanks, 121 infantry fighting vehicles, 107 armored personnel carriers, 1,094 armored combat vehicles, 829 vehicles, 262 artillery pieces, 40 multiple rocket launchers, including 11 HIMARS and six MLRS manufactured by the United States, 11 anti-aircraft launchers missile systems, seven transport-loading vehicles, 59 electronic warfare stations, 12 counter-battery radars, four air defense radars, 26 units of engineering and other equipment, of which 13 engineering barrier vehicles, one UR-77 mine clearance unit, as well as five armored recovery vehicles and a command and staff vehicle.

    The operation to destroy the AFU formations continues.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536517@egNews

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:19 pm

    So the Ukrs are losing (KIA + WIA) about 15,000 per week or about 60,000 per month. I have not seen estimates of the size of the Ukr army.
    But it is unlikely to be 600,000 and the loss rate is well over 10% per month. They have not been able to recruit anywhere near 50,000 per
    month and it seems the number is closer to 10,000 per month (I could be wrong on this one). We are looking at a terminal attenuation that
    would result in "zero" (a small tail) forces in less than 10 months. The current Ukr army is likely unable to last 6 months since it will have reduced
    below the functionality threshold before the number hits "zero".

    People talk about the Russian army dragging out the war into 2026. This can only happen if they stop active combat on the front or if NATzO starts
    a war on Russia in which case it becomes another subject.

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    Post  Mir Fri Nov 08, 2024 4:46 pm

    kvs wrote:The current Ukr army is likely unable to last 6 months since it will have reduced below the functionality threshold before the number hits "zero".

    The SMO has in effect turned into a mop-up operation. They are done.

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