Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Wishful thinking is the Ukie's where that low on manpower to the point they could only last sixth months, they would be only able to mount defenses in a few sectors. Odessa for example would be able to just be walked right into, They aren't at that point yet.

I have also heard this lines for years from you guys and yet the Ukie's still have plenty of men to spare.

You want to know how to know the ukie's are that low on manpower, when the russian's are able to advance huge areas of ground without being met by the enemy.

Not the treeline and village hoping they are doing now.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Wishful thinking is the Ukie's where that low on manpower to the point they could only last sixth months, they would be only able to mount defenses in a few sectors. Odessa for example would be able to just be walked right into, They aren't at that point yet.
I have also heard this lines for years from you guys and yet the Ukie's still have plenty of men to spare.
You want to know how to know the ukie's are that low on manpower, when the russian's are able to advance huge areas of ground without being met by the enemy.
Not the treeline and village hoping they are doing now.

Hey wannabe Rambo, isn't that the time for you to finally quite drugs ...?
Just a friendly advice before it will get raw&ugly ...

Oh look more childish insults.

Love when you do that shows me you have nothing to say because you know I am right.

Here's what's going to happen in six months when the ukies still have hundred's of thousands of troops and the war is far from over

You will make up some clown excuses, and in. A few months one of you guys will say the exact same thing.

"Ukraine outta men hur hurt"

Hey I get it if you say it enough one of these day's it will come true but that day isn't coming in that time period.

Btw if you're going to insult me, Make the insults good so I can at least chuckle.

Because as it stands your insults make me feel sorry for you with how moronic they are, this really the best you got?. Come oooon sure you can do better or does mommy put your helmet in every morning

160k more Ukrainians there is no end in sight.
https://archive.ph/fXQwJ

Volksturm maxxing to own vatniks.

Your sponsors are pulling out en masse. You will have no weapons and no money to buy nor the industry to produce said weapons. You export nothing but refugees, whores and shoddy grain barely fit for animal consumption.

Your goose is cooked.

We are looking at a terminal attenuation that would result in "zero" (a small tail) forces in less than 10 months.

Keep in mind that most of the approximately 300 - 400.000 soldiers of the Banderite forces are working in the rear, maybe a third
of the number are frontline fighters, most of them with only the bare minimum of training and close to zero experience.



"Another exchange of the dead took place. The bodies of 563 dead soldiers were handed over to Ukraine. Russia received 37 bodies of dead soldiers."

divgen TG

thegopnik wrote:160k more Ukrainians there is no end in sight.
https://archive.ph/fXQwJ

You think there were no more Germans when the Red Army entered Berlin? Fact is militaries get depleted far before the hypothetical demographic resource of their country runs out. Which BTW is already one order of magnitude lower for ukraine than for Russia, which has in fact more reservistsm than population remains in 404... TCC is dragging anyone to the trenches and the Rada has lowered the age relatively recently, still they cannot match the required number of conscripts, by far. They can still catch women, children, cats and dogs, what kind of effective army and how much extra time this is going to give to that cornered rat in Kyiuv?

ALAMO wrote:

Hey wannabe Rambo, isn't that the time for you to finally quite drugs ...?
Just a friendly advice before it will get raw&ugly ...

What a clown, every now and then someone quotes him and I get relieved, that I have him on the zoo...

But to say that BS now of all times, when the Southern Donetsk front is in outright disarray and the remaining ukie fortress towns are approaching their turn? How long did the ukronazis manage to hold the defences behind Ugledar once it fell, and how many thousands of them are rotting in the fields after they tried to fall back to the rear lines?

Once the originally planed, optimally chosen and built for ten years Donbass line falls, the ukie army is done and their collapse will be many times faster than it has been until now...

Lol you guys have been saying this tired line for two years and every time you act like you never said it and weren't wrong.

This is like the 8th time now and there will be a 9th and a 10th and so in untill the day Ukraine actually runs out of men, keep throwing shit at the wall and sure eventually you'll hit, doesn't change the fact you missed every time before

Reality is Ukraine still has plenty of bodies to throw.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Lol you guys have been saying this tired line for two years and every time you act like you never said it and weren't wrong.

This is like the 8th time now and there will be a 9th and a 10th and so in untill the day Ukraine actually runs out of men, keep throwing shit at the wall and sure eventually you'll hit, doesn't change the fact you missed every time before

Reality is Ukraine still has plenty of bodies to throw.

The difference now is, and like all previous times we will wait and see, that Trump may well call for peace. IF Putin keeps grinding down Ukrainian soldiers from Kursk to Kherson and Ukrainians know that America want their government to give peace a chance and they don't there might be another color revolution in Kiev that would reset relations at least for a while and I think that is what Putin wants. I mean a true and lasting peace where Ukraine recognizes Russian control over Kherson, Zaprozhiye, Crimea, and Donbass, quits Kursk, agrees to outlaw Nazism, demilitarize, and stay neutral.

Anyways, if you were fighting for a government that wanted to keep up a war that would only ultimately lead to you dying how long would you stay in that fight?

The war can end when the nazi regime in Kiev agrees to an unconditional capitulation, when its (remaining) military ceases fighting, drops weapons and surrenders en masse, when its regime war criminals are arrested and handed over to Russia for trial.

Until then Russia must grind those fckers into dog meat. The USSR didn't negotiate with Nazi Germany in March 1945. The US didn't negotiate with Japan in July 1945, or with Iraq in March 2003. Why the fck should Russia negotiate with these banderite cnts or the warmongering globalist bastards in NATO?

Big_Gazza wrote:The war can end when the nazi regime in Kiev agrees to an unconditional capitulation, when its (remaining) military ceases fighting, drops weapons and surrenders en masse, when its regime war criminals are arrested and handed over to Russia for trial.  

Until then Russia must grind those fckers into dog meat. The USSR didn't negotiate with Nazi Germany in March 1945.  The US didn't negotiate with Japan in July 1945, or with Iraq in March 2003.  Why the fck should Russia negotiate with these banderite cnts or the warmongering globalist bastards in NATO?  

Who says Putin will negotiate with the Banderites? Putin will negotiate with the government that comes next. Again, if I were to venture a guess, in 2025 a lot of European people are going to want to follow the States in quiting the proxy war. Nazilensky will want to keep the war going because once its over he is likely to be put on the bloc. If his generals don't get him to the table, something he completely opposes doing, he is going to be taken out of power in a way similar to that of Ceausescu. After that happens the Ukrainian people will probably be very amiable to talks that end in denazification, demilitarization, and more or less permanent neutrality. I think this is what Putin has been seeking for the past several months, or even years, and this is what his aim is.

ucmvulcan wrote:Who says Putin will negotiate with the Banderites?

Not I.  There will be no negotiations.  Ukropistan will be DESTROYED and the regime eradicated.

ucmvulcan wrote:Putin will negotiate with the government that comes next.  

Russia (not Putin) will be INSTALLING the government that comes next, they will define the landmass over which that regime has authority, and on what limits that regime must operate under.  Kiev regime shall decide NOTHING, the Atlantacist scum shall decide NOTHING.  They shall simply be FORCED TO COMPLY.

Another thing.

Trump has a good memory and can hold a grudge. He will never forget that the hohols put him on a kill list and even had one of their deranged supporters take a swing (and miss) at him.

Anyone who thinks he will overlook this deepest of transgressions this one time is deluding themselves.

Him dropping the hohols like a bag of shit on behalf of Israel is business. But he will do it with absolute relish.

Of you think that attempt was government made you at S grade delusional if the government was behind that at all, Trump would not be alive.

The shot was so easy to make, you can be taught how make that shot in 20 minutes.

They would not risk trump living if they wanted him iced, period.

That shooter was merely some crazy kid who got feed the lines from MSN and CNN that Trump is evil, racist, Hitler etc

And in his deranged mind he believed it so he acted.

The government had nothing to do with it

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Of you think that attempt was government made you at S grade delusional ifntue government was behind that at all, Trump would no the live.

The shot was so easy to make, you can be taught how make that shot in 20 minutes.

They would it risk trump living if they wanted him iced, period.

That shooter was merely some crazy kid who got feed the lines from MSN and CNN that Trump is evil, racist, Hitler etc

And in his deranged he believed.

The government had nothing to do with it

So that explains why the Secret Service were too busy to take their jobs seriously, even when people in the crowd reported a shooter on the roof? Whatever.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Love when you do that shows me you have nothing to say because you know I am right.

You struggle daily to flush the toilet correctly, and that is the sole "right" thing within your reach.
There are less than 20 mln Ukrainians left there, with a forceful mobilization ongoing for more than a year.
They are discussing lowering the conscription age down to 18y/o and the number of women in ranks is increasing steadily.
Corps of females in tranches are nothing unusual for a while.
Ukraine is done as a nation state, they won't recover from the point where they are now.
It is crystal clear to anyone who has at least two brain cells, and the hurray optimism pushed forward only a year ago turned the vector by 180 deg.
Every single title now is discussing the sorrow fate and the cost of all that crazy endeavor they unleashed a decade ago.
The sole thing to discuss is for how long this agony will continue.
Still, you will continue moronic arguing about matters that are way too complicated for your undereducated ass.
Again, 2+2 makes?

Hole wrote:
"Another exchange of the dead took place. The bodies of 563 dead soldiers were handed over to Ukraine. Russia received 37 bodies of dead soldiers."
divgen TG

And I dare to say that it would be a proper ratio of existing casualties at this moment. You can't tik tok a FAB3000.

And he didn't need to say more then that, my point stands regardless

You seem to suggest that Putin agreeing to talk is the same as Putin going to cave to end this conflict.

That is up to Putin, Zelesky would be the bigger problem for any peace deal.

Zelensky is no longer the leader of the Ukraine, by Ukraines own constitution...

Zelensky was never the problem, it was the nazis he gave power to to control any Ukrainians that don't hate Russia or don't love the west enough and now he fears them and can't cross them by the obvious giving up territory to save what is left.

He will refuse any deal that involves giving up turf.

He is making himself irrelevant and an obstacle that will need to be removed.

Even if he was smart...he would realize just giving up those four regions is better then losing more of Ukraine.

If he was smart he would have realised the best deal he had was the deal he signed before this conflict started, but the west promised him everything he wanted and he believed them.

He is the dog with a bone walking across a bridge over a still pond. He looked down and saw another dog in the water who also had a bone and he wanted it so he barked... and his bone and the other dogs bone disappeared in a splash...

If Zelesky puts his foot in the sand and refuses to negotiate Trump is the type who will go "Okay have fun, We are out of here" and all that US support is gone.

Trump has made it clear that of Zelesky refuses to negotiate with him, he will cut all funding period as Trump unlike other presidents isn't willing to provide blank checks at the tax payers expense

If the US cuts support and withdraws its soldiers and intel then Kiev will fall... not immediately and the EU will claim it will continue to help and then they will withdraw too and then Kievs days are numbered.

I have also heard this lines for years from you guys and yet the Ukie's still have plenty of men to spare.

They have plenty of men to bury.... not plenty of men to spare... that is just ignoring reality.

You will make up some clown excuses, and in. A few months one of you guys will say the exact same thing.

"Ukraine outta men hur hurt"

Most people respect human life and don't burn it up like candy bars on a fat farm... If most of us were in Zelenskys shoes we would be talking surrender to avoid total defeat and further suffering of our people, but Zelensky couldn't give a shit about the Ukrainian people... he is acting more and more like Adolph every day... wanting the whole country to go up in flames with him... even with super weapons that were going to turn the tide... vengeance weapons that are necessary till they get them and then they need something else.

Why the fck should Russia negotiate with these banderite cnts or the warmongering globalist bastards in NATO

Trump can talk all he wants, Putin doesn't have to agree to anything. Agreeing to talks is not agreeing to anything the enemy offers as a solution.

For Putin no deal is better than a bad deal and he does not have to even consider anything other than a good deal (good for Russia that is).

The government had nothing to do with it

The US government is made up of a lot of different people, and many wear their political views on their sleeves... because they are members of the Democrats or Republican parties, but it seems that the vast majority of the intel services support the democrats and also support war and therefore have two good reasons to not like Donald Trump... he is bad for their business.

The US Intel mafia are a group that could have dismissed allegations of Trump being Putins puppet in a couple of hours and instead they entertained the ideas because it suited them to get democrats back in to power.

Trump should give the US intel services a damn good clean out because they are not working in the interests of all Americans and should be rather more bipartisan than they are clearly being.

ucmvulcan wrote:
The difference now is, and like all previous times we will wait and see, that Trump may well call for peace.  IF Putin keeps grinding down Ukrainian soldiers from Kursk to Kherson and Ukrainians know that America want their government to give peace a chance and they don't there might be another color revolution in Kiev that would reset relations at least for a while and I think that is what Putin wants.  I mean a true and lasting peace where Ukraine recognizes Russian control over Kherson, Zaprozhiye, Crimea, and Donbass, quits Kursk, agrees to outlaw Nazism, demilitarize, and stay neutral.  

Anyways, if you were fighting for a government that wanted to keep up a war that would only ultimately lead to you dying how long would you stay in that fight?

The issue is the top elite understood that they could not keep their past curse without alteration. So they dropped their festering, grotesque democrat clique as their tool and accepted the Trump one as their follower. Of course, that means that a lot of the high political elites in Washington are now wailing and lamenting, announcing the end of the world due to their demise. But the truth is that the supremacist, zionist genocidal top of the pyramid is alive and kicking and they just changed their butler for something more trendy. The ultimate goals remain the same. And now they are already busy trying to capture the Trump's policies, making announcements about supposed proposals from his government like 404 accepting "de facto" the Russian control of the recently reunified regions, in exchange for British and European troops at the demarcation line... the cheek of these cunts makes one's face melt with embarrassment... not only they want to stop the war to rearm their bastards without a de iure recognition of the Russian territories, but NATO troops officially on the borders of Russia... and all paid by the Eurocucks... do they want to kill Putin of a laughter attack?

The neocon plans for Ukria as outlined by Mercouris are turbo wishful thinking.   How are they going to impose a freeze?  By snapping their fingers?
The expectation that they will send NATzO troops as "peace keepers" to the LOC zone is beyond retarded.   Their only option is to launch a war
on Russia.  But even with this path, they cannot stage a flash rescue of Ukria.   Instead it will escalate into a nuclear exchange.   So their only
option to save their stooges in Khuyiv is to commit suicide.

And I dare to say that it would be a proper ratio of existing casualties at this moment.

That´s propably the real ratio from the beginning of the SMO. Maybe at some small portion of the frontlines the ratio is
only 5:1 for Russia, but with all the massive strikes in the deep rear areas...

Instead it will escalate into a nuclear exchange.

But it won´t be Russia starting the nuclear fire.

lifted the ban on the presence of American experts in Ukraine to repair weapons

They were there from the beginning but now they have to admit it because a new regime is coming in.

Two-thirds is a very generous estimate.

thegopnik wrote:160k more Ukrainians there is no end in sight.
https://archive.ph/fXQwJ

These are civilians with guns and weeks worth of training. And we have already seen women, old men, teenagers, people with various disabilities, amputees, and even at least one case of some with down syndrome on the front line in Ukraine. So don't expect these 160k to be anything more then this.