Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Growing desperation. The West will want to freeze the conflict because Russian troops are moving faster and faster.

That is right, they will and they have said as much, but Putin has already said that a ceasefire that allows the west to rearm and restore Kievs forces is not going to be acceptable. The only acceptable deal would include long term guarantees of security for both sides and for Russian demands to be met.

The west is no where near close to accepting those terms so the Russian advance will continue.

(honest question) Just wonder how the people in Kiev-controlled land managed to escape the Kiev regime to return to Russian-controlled Mariupol.

Likely paying fees to certain individuals, to go to the EU and then maybe to Turkey or other country then to Belarus or Russia.

Looks like radars have been shut off or knocked out and they are shooting blind because hey fill the skies with metal and you are bound to hit something.

If only that were true... firing like that the only thing you are bound to hit is the ground... eventually.

Puzzled why the Gepard with its radar doesn't appear to work. Or are they just shooting at ghosts?

Its radar was for tracking low flying aircraft and helicopters... drones are rather a more difficult proposition.

JohninMK wrote:
A good old 88 with proximity fused shrapnel shells and a radar could be pretty effective. Certainly a step or two up from WW2 performance.

A good, old 100 mm KS-19 - Iranian style.





Imagine combining that with programmable AHEAD-style ammunition, and what you have at the end is an ultimate drone/cruise missile killer with 25 km range and 20 km altitude, if combined with a newly developed rounds. That thing can create a really effective umbrella at a fraction of cost.

An old airfield near Stryj in Lvov district has been reportedly heavily hit, with detonations ongoing long after.
Hunting for F-16 may be the case.

And funny news from The Times - London has run out of Storm Shadows, and is unable to deliver more to 404.


Russkie have missiles left for a week karma strikes back I guess

@Garry: I think I need your opinion and assessment about this.

Criticism from pro-Russian netizens (who are supportive of the SVO but critical about how it has been handled) mostly said that, although Russia is clearly winning, there has been too many wasted chances that should not have been missed. For example, Moskva was unprepared for what happened in Kursk lead to unnecessary casualties and the mopping up of Kiev troops are not as fast as it could have been. The Kiev regime's Kursk gamble is clearly a fiasco, but had Moskva had better preparation, Kiev troops in Kursk could have been cleared up more quickly.

Some netizens blame Gerasimov's incompetence on this. They claimed that Russian commanders had warned Gerasimov about the risk of Kiev offensive in the Kursk region and requested two brigades to be secretly smuggled into Kursk to intercept the enemy. But Gerasimov ignored the warning.

That makes perfect sense, with what happened.

The Russians were sending units in from other Oblasts and getting them organized which led to a few coloums getting destroyed. Which is a clear sign they didn't expect the attack otherwise they would have had brigades ready to counter attack much sooner then they did.

The Russians were caught by surprise in Kursk and their reactions well as the reactions from the government shown that.

Perhaps Gerasimov thought Ukraine wouldn't do such a brazen move and didn't see the need, regardless steps should have been taken if the intel was there

Criticism from pro-Russian netizens

Yeah, Whiney bitches gonna bitch.

Everyone is an expert after the fact, but how many of these experts were saying... hey... we have billions of people doing nothing... why not position them in Russian territory and have them wait around on the off chance Zelensky might do something stupid... we can afford to take them out of useful work and have them sitting on their arses just in case.

Have you put up an extra fenceline around your house just in case burglars try to steal from you... that extra 2m fence will slow them down an extra minute or two if they have safe cracking gear they need to haul over it. Because the enemy are fucking stupid and when they plan shit they always just go in blindly and hope for the best... they never use the enormous satellite resources of their HATO allies to find gaps and weak spots, they never try probing attacks to check response times and procedures to work out ways of doing things... remember they are idiots and we will always win easily because we are fucking perfect.

Or have a tiny bit of respect for the enemy and understand the world is not your fucking playground where everything happens the way you like it when you want it to happen.

Zelensky poured 30K of his best equipped and best trained soldiers into a stupid futile attack to try to reach a Russian nuclear power station... no doubt because he wanted to use it as a pawn to trade for the Ukrainian NPP the Russians occupy. He did everything he could.... burned up his best troops... just to keep the incursion going till after the US elections in the hope that Karris won and with all the money and weapons she was going to promise he could then think about negotiations from a position of strength... holding the Kursk NPP and more money and support on the way for the next four years...

But it failed and the clean up is taking as long as it is taking because Kiev is stupidly feeding more and more men and equipment into the incursion area... so what is the hurry defeating that? Let them throw meat into the meat grinder... if you have it set on too high a setting what will happen is a bone might slip through and block the mechanism and stop the process of rendering the material into sausage meat.

Whiney bitches want results now and if they can't have them now then obviously whomever is in charge is doing it wrong, but they are of course not omnipotent... you can't just cut up enemy special forces and obliterate them like they are nothing... they are led by idiots but they are not idiots... they split up into small groups and are acting like guerilla forces that need to be dealt with one group at a time.... how long did it take for the US government to deal with a few armed civilians in Waco?

And how did that work out with their amazing gear and training and planning?

Some netizens blame Gerasimov's incompetence on this.

Some people voted for Trump and some for Harris... different people are different... I am sure they would have done a much better job... because nuclear weapons are powerful.

They claimed that Russian commanders had warned Gerasimov about the risk of Kiev offensive in the Kursk region and requested two brigades to be secretly smuggled into Kursk to intercept the enemy. But Gerasimov ignored the warning.

If they had stopped them at the border how many of the 30K they have killed so far would still be alive?

War is about choices and decisions and when you are making them there are no guarantees that what you think will happen will happen.

Thinking you are an internet warrior and you have won WWII a hundred times in your head much better than anyone who was there actually did is funny beyond belief.

War is about action and reaction... if Russia had done what HATO had expected them to and used a million troops and just overrun most of the Ukraine what would then happen would indeed be what happened in Afghanistan in the 1980s... it would be a behind the lines guerilla war where western special forces and Kievs special forces would torment Russian supply and rear units with pinprick attacks and essentially hostage taking missions. A death of a thousand cuts.

Obviously it wouldn't work out the way they think it would either but that seems to be the plan, but now things were ending with the US elections they decided to use up those elite forces they have been training and equipping with all the best stuff they have in a futile incursion onto Russian territory to make a big play and show their western investors how powerful they can be... pathetic.

The Russians have made mistakes but not obvious blatant mistakes, and are ripping Kiev a new one... and getting rid of a whole generation of nazis.

I do think too much blood and bone added to those soils is just overdoing it... they might end up with plants that can only survive with high human content in the soil... we might end up with Triffids.

caveat emptor wrote:Healing of the Ru Army is continuing. Due to lies and incompetent commanding in Seversk directions multiple high ranking officers were arrested and under investigation.  

https://t.me/milinfolive/135167

It is reported that after the resonance with the inadequate and failed actions of the group in the Seversk direction, the following were allegedly arrested and/or lost their posts (bend your fingers):

- Commander of the 3rd Combined Arms Army;
- His Chief of Staff;
- Brigade Commander of the 123rd Motorized Rifle Brigade;
- Brigade Commander of the 7th Motorized Rifle Brigade.

Battalion commanders also got it. The reason given is "concealing losses and the real situation from the higher command".

Recall that quite recently, false reports about supposedly deep successful breakthroughs began to come from Seversk, and then unprepared attacks in columns on enemy positions began, leading to heavy losses and minimal results.

https://t.me/rybar/65433

The cycle of lies from Seversk: the finale (?)

Unexpectedly, very unusual news came from the Seversk direction, although again related to the fake capture of settlements. This time, positive.

Several commanders in this direction were detained and removed from their positions due to deception of the higher command. We are talking about some commanders from units of the 3rd Army: some were detained and arrested, some were suspended or transferred to a lower position. The event affected several brigade and battalion commanders.

This, as we wrote, was expressed in "occupation" exclusively on the Internet through friendly bloggers and war correspondents of Serebryanka, Grigorovka, Belogorovka and Verkhnekamenskoye, and also, apparently, Vyemka (as well as feverish attempts to recapture it).

Alas, there was no immediate reaction: the system is "inert", and perceives attempts to expose the lie as "pressure" (the principle of "if they criticize, it means I'm doing everything right"). As a result, the initial reports of, to put it mildly, "problems" (although this can be more accurately called outright outrage) ultimately resulted in nothing: commanders of various ranks synchronized their watches and continued to fool high headquarters. At least after that scandal there were no statements about the liberation of new settlements (and that's a joy).

As a result, everything turned out to be much more prosaic: higher-ups arrived and wanted to visit the “liberated” Belogorovka, which in theory was already deep in the rear, since Grigorovka and Serebryanka were supposedly taken. And only then did the scale of the deception come to light, which went not only to the media, but also to higher headquarters.

Moreover, the lies were not only not just in reports, but also “covered up”. Correspondents were invited to the positions, who interviewed the fighters who boasted about the media capture of non-existent villages.

On the Internet, of course, there is an opinion that they allegedly managed to take some positions, then the enemy counterattacked, after which they had to abandon them. However, in reality, there was no talk of any capture - neither then nor now.

And now, regardless of whether the voice of those crying in the wilderness was heard, or the deception was actually revealed by accident, the activities of at least some of those responsible have already attracted the attention of the relevant services. And questions about both the senseless waste of personnel in unprepared assaults and the grinding down of armored groups month after month on the same stronghold, we very much hope, will be raised at the very top.

How about getting rid of Putin?


His beloved Ukrainians he continued to support even after Ukraine became openly hostile to Russia in 2014.

And there were warning signs for a long time before that:


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia

http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/264/georgian-losses-reports


He also tolerates various ethnic Ukrainian fifth columnists inside the Russian armed forces and government.

Obviously he is an ethnic Ukrainian himself, it is not even certain who his parents really are.

Is this for real?!


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/biden-ukraine-russia-atacms-missiles.html

The State Duma responded to information about permission for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to fire long-range weapons at Russia, 11.17.2024.

Dmitry Belik, a member of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs, commented on reports in an interview with RT that current US President Joe Biden has authorized Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen to use the American long-range ATACMS system to carry out strikes on Russian territory.

“This decision by Biden is caused by the inability to adequately accept the fact of the Democrats’ defeat in the US elections and the desire to take revenge on Trump!” Belik noted.

According to him, Biden decided not to follow common sense and retire quietly, but to recklessly risk fanning the flames of conflict even further at the end.

"This was done with the aim of significantly complicating the negotiation process on Ukraine for Trump and his future administration. Apparently, neither Biden nor his henchmen are thinking about the consequences of such recklessness, guided by the desire to harm Trump as much as possible in the two remaining months and raise the stakes in the geopolitical game," the deputy concluded.

Earlier it was reported that Biden, two months before the end of his term, for the first time allowed Ukraine to use the American long-range ATACMS system to strike Russian territory.

The New York Times reported this, citing American officials. According to the latter, long-range missiles may be used by the Ukrainian military for attacks in the Kursk region.

https://russian.rt.com/world/news/1397646-deputat-dalnoboinoe-oruzhie

Why now ? I think the democrats finally managed to convince Trump , saying " well Donald , it is only going to be for a short while , it might just end up saving Jellinsky's assets ! And if the Ruskies get too irritated , you can always send more ( longer range ) peace envoys and save the day . " looks like lame Duck won the argument against Donald Duck . It is all Mickey mouse politics .

I was shocked by the news that the Biden regime could trigger a nuclear war with this step, but apparently I am the only one here who got scared. Isn't it possible that one of those long range missiles could carry a nuclear warhead in order to attempt a decapitation strike against Russia? I am not a military expert obviously.

300km is nothing, this is just PR move

Still it makes sense that Russians shouldn't be entirely spared of consequences of pussyfooting

No worries, there will be no World War III. Russia is going to absorb the hits and take a few thousands casualties, but there will be no retaliation.

Long as the targets are military then oh fucking well, that the russians fault for deciding to wage this war at a snail's pace.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Ukraine has every single right to strike Russia military-wise wise however and wherever ever they can. This is a war pure and simple and in war, the goal is to win or inflict heavy losses

As for the US missiles deal, the Russians are using foreign supplied arms and munitions in Ukraine, you cannot cry when you are doing the same shit.

Putin didn't want this happening he shouldn't have the war carried out like it has been.