Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Its goal is to saturate extremely dense AD.
They are two tiers above the existing western tech, seriously.

Sujoy wrote:It's remarkable that Russia developed such a sophisticated weapon in such a short timeframe. While the Iskander was effective, the purpose of the Oreshnik remains unclear to me.
Perhaps Russia is gauging its military-industrial complex's ability to rapidly innovate and deploy new MRBMs

A lot of Soviet programs came to an abrupt halt with the INF Treaty, but the know-how and technology remained. I'm guessing that the Oreshnik could be heavily based on the Skoroghod IRBM of that era. It was a very compact IRBM loosely based on the Pioneer.

Impossible to descalate now. From both sides. Prepare for the worst.

Mir wrote:
A lot of Soviet programs came to an abrupt halt with the INF Treaty, but the know-how and technology remained. I'm guessing that the Oreshnik could be heavily based on the Skoroghod IRBM of that era. It was a very compact IRBM loosely based on the Pioneer.

What concerns me is a fact, that Russkie at the moment own a multiple striking systems being WAY over the horizon.
War in 404 proved that the whole of what the west can supply - at the expense of their own militaries - can't effectively engage systems that are 50+ (!!!!!) years old.
I remember once when Piotr Butowski was discussing with me and my friends the output of his visit to Russia, when he had met engineers from Raduga and discussed Ch-22 and KSR-5.
They have called a KSR-5 - objectively more modern - "garbage".
This lead to the conclusion, that a decade+ older system has been built with such a redundancy and potential, that can form a base for Ch-32 50+ years later - a missile that can't be intercepted.
The scale of this delusion is shocking, and if one is a citizen of the western world - scary.
This is a real scale of incompetence the Western ruling elites became.
Putin presented the newest Russian assets to deal with US cancelling of ABM treaty in 2018.
"Everyone" in the west made laught of that.
Calling the shit "Putin's cartoons".
It is crystal clear now, that NONE was a cartoon - all being a mature and fielded weapon systems, some of them battle proven.
Now, he shows NEW systems, even better than the ones back then...
What has changed in the west?
Well ... more propaganda has been applied, and more boots are "commenting" Russian content at FB...
This is madness.

What you are calling is inhuman.
While the Russian civilization is humane.

They have traversed East Germany from a conquered, raped and humiliated stated into best trusted ally in a decade.
They have made Chechens the most Russia loving and devoted society in a decade after a civil war that decimated its population.

They won't do  more harm than needed to the regular Ukrainians, even at the expense of their own blood.

Shocking from the "western values" perspective ... but that is a way they are.

They can be irresponsible cruel, and shocking mercifully - same time.

Luckily, at Putin's shift, they follow the second.

Id Dima would have been in the same shoes .. well ..

More interesting is that those seem to be kinetic energy based only.

Russia just unveiled the Oreshnik, but the west has nothing to worry about - they still have the Copperhead

ALAMO wrote:What you are calling is inhuman.
While the Russian civilization is humane.

They have traversed East Germany from a conquered, raped and humiliated stated into best trusted ally in a decade.
They have made Chechens the most Russia loving and devoted society in a decade after a civil war that decimated its population.

They won't do  more harm than needed to the regular Ukrainians, even at the expense of their own blood.

Shocking from the "western values" perspective ... but that is a way they are.

They can be irresponsible cruel, and shocking mercifully - same time.

Luckily, at Putin's shift, they follow the second.

Id Dima would have been in the same shoes .. well ..

They have paid off the Chechens.

They pay Chechnya much more money than any other republic in the Russian Federation.

There have been at least about as many people from North Ossetia killed during the Russian Special Military Operation as from Chechnya, despite that the latter has a significantly larger population.


G.D.R. was reaping off the U.S.S.R. and other countries by massively cheating at the Olympics. I would not describe it  as a very loyal behavior. They did not even grant an autonomous district to the Lusatian Serbs (check Germany's later whining about the autonomy of Kosovo-Metohija being abolished by Yugoslavia).



Putin also tolerates various ethnic Ukrainian fifth columnists in the Russian armed forces and government.


http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia

http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/264/georgian-losses-reports

Mir wrote:Russia just unveiled the Oreshnik, but the west has nothing to worry about - they still have the Copperhead  

They can do much better!
Still own Hollywood and the Marvel Universe!

More interesting is that those seem to be kinetic energy based only. wrote:

The kinetic warhead was probably used for demonstration purposes. I wonder what the scale of the destruction is. They don't want to show much. Such a warhead probably won't destroy a heavily reinforced target?

Arrow wrote:

The kinetic warhead was probably used for demonstration purposes. I wonder what the scale of the destruction is. They don't want to show much. Such a warhead probably won't destroy a heavily reinforced target?

I think that is exactly what they are supposed to do.

Mir wrote:

Arrow wrote:

The kinetic warhead was probably used for demonstration purposes. I wonder what the scale of the destruction is. They don't want to show much. Such a warhead probably won't destroy a heavily reinforced target?

I think that is exactly what they are supposed to do.

Objectively speaking, if we stick int official and calculable data - there is no need to "suppose so".
If it can deliver a 250k TNG equivalent in pure J energy - that is a HUGE.
250 kh of TNT os something to be found i 500+ kg warhead. A really big one.
Iranian attacks on Israel were called "small in scale" as the missiles carried a downsized warheads weighting <200kg.
A whole warhead. Not TNT load ...

Arrow wrote:

The kinetic warhead was probably used for demonstration purposes. I wonder what the scale of the destruction is. They don't want to show much. Such a warhead probably won't destroy a heavily reinforced target?

There is zero evidence, that it was kinetic. Also there is zero evidence that HE was involved. If itwas kinetic, it would be very mild for warhead, only 75 kg or 150 kg TNT equivalent (M=100/200 kg, v~2500 m/s). Why bother do that kind of warhead?
The yuszhmash factory consists several uderground floors where are bunker like workshops underground. Woul it be visible, if penetrating warhead explose somewhere lowest floor. I don't think so...

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin said he will give civilians advance warning of launch

What we need to know, is a scale of the damage this shit caused.
The lack of any from the ground is already much telling if you ask me.
If it was Yuzhmash a target - I guess there in no Yuzhmash anymore.
Physically.
I guess that this system is the first Russkie are using that really can inflict hell of collateral damage only because of the objective spread of the warheads.

Man it's funny watching people say this sci-fi weapon.

It was an ICBM with a MIRV,  there was no massive kinetic punch, nothing like that.

I have enjoyed reading the halirous "theories"

Putin clearly ordered warheads removed (lol how nice of him to coddle Ukriane) and attached MIRVS to it as his show of force

ALAMO wrote:
Objectively speaking, if we stick int official and calculable data - there is no need to "suppose so".
If it can deliver a 250k TNG equivalent in pure J energy - that is a HUGE.
250 kh of TNT os something to be found i 500+ kg warhead. A really big one.
Iranian attacks on Israel were called "small in scale" as the missiles carried a downsized warheads weighting <200kg.
A whole warhead. Not TNT load ...

Do you need to delete Arrow's comment? I've lost track of how many we are allowed.

Sorry old footage so deleted.

JohninMK wrote:
Do you need to delete Arrow's comment? I've lost track of how many we are allowed.

I guess you need to use your common sense.
It is not about "how many are allowed" but what it brings to the conversation.
This one is trimmed and focused.
End BTW, the X tweet you are lining is old one - Arch showed that a while ago.
It was made by Ch-101, not Kinzhals.

@SS, STFU your village fool.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Putin said he will give civilians advance warning of launch

Oh how nice of him, defacto warning the Military also.

Gives them all the time in the world to get out

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Oh how nice of him, defacto warning the Military also.

Gives them all the time in the world to get out

In many cases it doesn't matter if they get out, it takes time to reconstruct the systems that they were working at, like hitting a site with high security level equipment in it.

Most Ukies workshop's are in underground areas, that said lobbing these at power stations with actual warhead's and not MIRVs would be a good start.

Call me old fashioned but taking out the power is a good way to defeat your foe and turn the civilian population against the war.

The target government buildings, vital infrastructure Ukriane needs for the war

See how much faster the war ends that way, sure might be pricey but can you put a price on solving this issue the right way once and for all

Russia notified US briefly before ballistic missile launch against Ukraine - Pentagon

Russia notified the United States briefly before launching an intermediate-range ballistic missile against Ukraine, Pentagon spokesperson Sabrina Singh said.

"The United States was pre-notified briefly before the launch through nuclear risk reduction channels," Singh told reporters.

Earlier in the day, President Vladimir Putin said that Russia fired a non-nuclear hypersonic version of a ballistic missile, striking a Ukrainian arms manufacturer in the city of Dnepropetrovsk in response to Kiev's use of US and UK longer-range weapons to strike Russian territory.