IMPORTANT: Russia’s ICBM launch at Ukraine has triggered early warning systems today and such launches are by default assumed to be nuclear.
So for a short moment US and Europe thought Russia is nuking Ukraine.
They only knew that it was not nuclear by checking if the city Dnipro is still physically there after the impacts.
-> Essentially, If Russia decides to nuke Ukraine … the west will watch.
Second important thing to note, Russia has proven that it can deliver a conventional or nuclear payload to any place without a problem.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62
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Russian military controls most of Dzerzhinsk, 11.21.2024.
Pushilin's Advisor: Russian Armed Forces Control Most of Dzerzhinsk in the DPR.
MOSCOW, November 21 — RIA Novosti. Russian troops have liberated most of Dzerzhinsk (Ukrainian name — Toretsk) in the DPR, said Igor Kimakovsky, adviser to the head of the republic, on air at Soloviev Live.
"We are systematically and effectively putting pressure on the enemy. <...> If we take Chasov Yar , we are backing up the enemy in the industrial zone and there the enemy is also showing clear gaps. We are also working very effectively against the enemy in the Toretsk area. The enemy has 30-40% of the settlement left, according to various estimates," he noted.
Kimakovskiy added that Russian troops have also cleared the northern shore of the Kurakhovskoye Reservoir of Ukrainian forces. In addition, fighters from the "Centre" group of troops are pushing the enemy back in the direction of Pokrovsk (the Ukrainian name for Krasnoarmeysk. - Ed.).
The day before, the Defence Ministry reported that units of the Centre group of forces had defeated the manpower and equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces brigades in a number of populated areas, including Dzerzhinsk. In addition, they managed to repel 12 counterattacks by Ukrainian formations.
The enemy lost up to 390 servicemen, a Cossack combat armored vehicle, two vehicles, a US-made M777 howitzer, three D-30 howitzers, a D-20 gun, and an Msta-B howitzer.
Dzerzhinsk is a powerful fortified area with a developed railway network, where Ukrainian militants have been entrenched since 2014. It is from here that Gorlovka, one of the largest cities in the DPR, is regularly shelled.
Taking control of the city will facilitate the supply of Russian troops along the Donetsk-Gorlovka- Artemovsk road section , and will also allow the enemy group in Kleshcheyevka to be threatened from behind. In addition, from here it will be possible to develop an offensive to the northwest - towards Konstantinovka.
https://ria.ru/20241121/dzerzhinsk-1985059279.html
Pushilin's Advisor: Russian Armed Forces Control Most of Dzerzhinsk in the DPR.
MOSCOW, November 21 — RIA Novosti. Russian troops have liberated most of Dzerzhinsk (Ukrainian name — Toretsk) in the DPR, said Igor Kimakovsky, adviser to the head of the republic, on air at Soloviev Live.
"We are systematically and effectively putting pressure on the enemy. <...> If we take Chasov Yar , we are backing up the enemy in the industrial zone and there the enemy is also showing clear gaps. We are also working very effectively against the enemy in the Toretsk area. The enemy has 30-40% of the settlement left, according to various estimates," he noted.
Kimakovskiy added that Russian troops have also cleared the northern shore of the Kurakhovskoye Reservoir of Ukrainian forces. In addition, fighters from the "Centre" group of troops are pushing the enemy back in the direction of Pokrovsk (the Ukrainian name for Krasnoarmeysk. - Ed.).
The day before, the Defence Ministry reported that units of the Centre group of forces had defeated the manpower and equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces brigades in a number of populated areas, including Dzerzhinsk. In addition, they managed to repel 12 counterattacks by Ukrainian formations.
The enemy lost up to 390 servicemen, a Cossack combat armored vehicle, two vehicles, a US-made M777 howitzer, three D-30 howitzers, a D-20 gun, and an Msta-B howitzer.
Dzerzhinsk is a powerful fortified area with a developed railway network, where Ukrainian militants have been entrenched since 2014. It is from here that Gorlovka, one of the largest cities in the DPR, is regularly shelled.
Taking control of the city will facilitate the supply of Russian troops along the Donetsk-Gorlovka- Artemovsk road section , and will also allow the enemy group in Kleshcheyevka to be threatened from behind. In addition, from here it will be possible to develop an offensive to the northwest - towards Konstantinovka.
https://ria.ru/20241121/dzerzhinsk-1985059279.html
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Those impacts seem to have been in different places, must have done a lot of damage.
The perceived wisdom on destroying or knocking out of action an airfield is that you need a nuke.
One of these would appear to be a possible interesting alternative. Perhaps deployed against the next airfield to host a Storm Shadow launch aircraft, as an experiment of course .
The perceived wisdom on destroying or knocking out of action an airfield is that you need a nuke.
One of these would appear to be a possible interesting alternative. Perhaps deployed against the next airfield to host a Storm Shadow launch aircraft, as an experiment of course .
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The last time I have read about kinetic bombardment, was Star risk by Chris Bunch ...
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Lost in the PR of the big strike was this lot
A massive strike on targets in Ukraine has been reported.
Power outages in Kyiv, Kyiv, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions; facility in Dnepr damaged
According to Ukrainian data, the following were used:
Kh-101/55 cruise missiles launched by Tu-95MS aircraft from the Saratov region
- ballistic missile 9m723 OTRK "Iskander-M"
- probably the Kh-47m2 aeroballistic supersonic missile of the Kinzhal complex;
A massive strike on targets in Ukraine has been reported.
Power outages in Kyiv, Kyiv, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions; facility in Dnepr damaged
According to Ukrainian data, the following were used:
Kh-101/55 cruise missiles launched by Tu-95MS aircraft from the Saratov region
- ballistic missile 9m723 OTRK "Iskander-M"
- probably the Kh-47m2 aeroballistic supersonic missile of the Kinzhal complex;
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The PR slippery slope has no mercy once you are yesterday's man
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The last time I have read about kinetic bombardment, was Star risk by Chris Bunch ... wrote:
In general, this can be afforded thanks to the high speed of the IRBM and very good accuracy. And the whole technique.
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JohninMK wrote:The PR slippery slope has no mercy once you are yesterday's man
Some years ago I went to Madrid and there was a crudely painted hammer and sickle and under that was written Viva Stalin. Wouldn't it be hilarious if that was still there and this clown got washed away?
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Dangerous game
I really don't like this situation. Now long range missiles are fired. Somebody has shit in his pants this morning, when blip has appeared on the early warning screen. When does this escalation circle calm down? Hopefully soon.
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Nuclear platforms have always been used in conventional wars. Calm your ass down.
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The system name is Oreshnyk...
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New IRBM
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Yup. One of new, as VVP said
Terminal speed is 2-3 km/s.
I will add the news from the Putin's speech, OK?
Edit :
Sorry, wrong one.
Terminal speed is 2-3 km/s.
I will add the news from the Putin's speech, OK?
Edit :
Sorry, wrong one.
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Its like they sawed off the first stage of Kinzhal, and MARVed 6 unto an MRBM.
They weren`t submunitions hitting in clusters. They were 6 independently targeting RVs each hitting the same point target in a demonstration of insane precision.
They weren`t submunitions hitting in clusters. They were 6 independently targeting RVs each hitting the same point target in a demonstration of insane precision.
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There is a part that shocked me today, aside of strikes on 404 ...
It was a sort of mutual explain made by Orban, Vucic and Fico.
In theory, they have been talking a different things - but that combines somehow.
Orban announced an end of half millennia western world domination, based on "agreement" that the west is the best, the wisest, most phantastic, and the wealthiest. He called that a fading away delusion, and announced an era of Euroasia.
Vucic stated, that anyone who considers that Russia won't use any weapon at disposal facing a threat - must have a zero knowledge of Putin.
Fico stated, that Kosovo je Srbja.
How do you think, those tiny countries would carry themself so much independently, without knowing ... something?
It was a sort of mutual explain made by Orban, Vucic and Fico.
In theory, they have been talking a different things - but that combines somehow.
Orban announced an end of half millennia western world domination, based on "agreement" that the west is the best, the wisest, most phantastic, and the wealthiest. He called that a fading away delusion, and announced an era of Euroasia.
Vucic stated, that anyone who considers that Russia won't use any weapon at disposal facing a threat - must have a zero knowledge of Putin.
Fico stated, that Kosovo je Srbja.
How do you think, those tiny countries would carry themself so much independently, without knowing ... something?
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Putin: Russia Strikes Ukrainian Defense Facility With New Oreshnik Ballistic Missile, 11.21.2024.
President Putin announced that Russia's Armed Forces carried out a combined strike using the latest Oreshnik medium-range missile against a Ukrainian defence industry facility in response to American and British weapon strikes on Russian territory.
Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the personnel of the Russian Armed Forces and the citizens of Russia to provide an update on events in the area of the special military operation.
"I want to inform the personnel of the Russian Armed Forces, the citizens of our country, our friends around the world, as well as those who still harbor illusions about the possibility of delivering a strategic defeat to Russia, about the events currently unfolding in the zone of the special military operation, particularly in light of the use of long-range Western-made weapons against our territory," Putin said in his address on Thursday.
Long-range Western-made missiles targeted military facilities in Russia’s Kursk and Bryansk regions.
"On November 19, six ATACMS tactical missiles produced in the United States, and on November 21, during a combined missile attack, Storm Shadow systems produced in the United Kingdom struck military targets on Russian territory in the Bryansk and Kursk regions," Putin said.
However, Russia’s air defense systems intercepted the attacks, and the adversary failed to achieve its objectives, Putin added.
"Our air defense systems repelled these attacks," the president stated. "As a result, the objectives clearly set by the adversary were not achieved."
Western long-range missile strikes on Russian territory have given the conflict in Ukraine a global dimension, Putin noted in the address.
"From this moment, as we have repeatedly emphasized, the conflict in Ukraine, provoked earlier by the West, has acquired global characteristics," he stressed.
The use of Western long-range missiles against Russia will not affect the course of the special military operation (SMO), Putin assured.
"I want to emphasize once again that the adversary’s use of such weapons cannot influence the course of hostilities in the special military operation zone," he said in his statement. "Our forces are advancing successfully along the entire line of contact. All the objectives we set for ourselves will be accomplished."
https://sputnikglobe.com/20241121/putin-russia-strikes-ukrainian-defense-facility-with-new-oreshnik-ballistic-missile-1120955755.html
President Putin announced that Russia's Armed Forces carried out a combined strike using the latest Oreshnik medium-range missile against a Ukrainian defence industry facility in response to American and British weapon strikes on Russian territory.
Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the personnel of the Russian Armed Forces and the citizens of Russia to provide an update on events in the area of the special military operation.
"I want to inform the personnel of the Russian Armed Forces, the citizens of our country, our friends around the world, as well as those who still harbor illusions about the possibility of delivering a strategic defeat to Russia, about the events currently unfolding in the zone of the special military operation, particularly in light of the use of long-range Western-made weapons against our territory," Putin said in his address on Thursday.
Long-range Western-made missiles targeted military facilities in Russia’s Kursk and Bryansk regions.
"On November 19, six ATACMS tactical missiles produced in the United States, and on November 21, during a combined missile attack, Storm Shadow systems produced in the United Kingdom struck military targets on Russian territory in the Bryansk and Kursk regions," Putin said.
However, Russia’s air defense systems intercepted the attacks, and the adversary failed to achieve its objectives, Putin added.
"Our air defense systems repelled these attacks," the president stated. "As a result, the objectives clearly set by the adversary were not achieved."
Western long-range missile strikes on Russian territory have given the conflict in Ukraine a global dimension, Putin noted in the address.
"From this moment, as we have repeatedly emphasized, the conflict in Ukraine, provoked earlier by the West, has acquired global characteristics," he stressed.
The use of Western long-range missiles against Russia will not affect the course of the special military operation (SMO), Putin assured.
"I want to emphasize once again that the adversary’s use of such weapons cannot influence the course of hostilities in the special military operation zone," he said in his statement. "Our forces are advancing successfully along the entire line of contact. All the objectives we set for ourselves will be accomplished."
https://sputnikglobe.com/20241121/putin-russia-strikes-ukrainian-defense-facility-with-new-oreshnik-ballistic-missile-1120955755.html
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Yes, baby! Putin slapped all the NAFOids in the face.
1. This is a BRSD. And that says it ALL. Any dreams of missile defense for NATO in Europe are in the past
2. This BRSD carries a bus of 6 separable combat units, each of which has 4 false targets. Judging by the video, they also (probably) include afterburning at the final stage.
This is the first real combat use of strategic weapons in kinetic execution in history. Now watch the video and realize that each group of falling objects is the equivalent of 7 Hiroshima. By the way, where were the Patriot?)))
https://t.me/bmpd_cast/21446
1. This is a BRSD. And that says it ALL. Any dreams of missile defense for NATO in Europe are in the past
2. This BRSD carries a bus of 6 separable combat units, each of which has 4 false targets. Judging by the video, they also (probably) include afterburning at the final stage.
This is the first real combat use of strategic weapons in kinetic execution in history. Now watch the video and realize that each group of falling objects is the equivalent of 7 Hiroshima. By the way, where were the Patriot?)))
https://t.me/bmpd_cast/21446
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Further details for the Oreshnik:
Putin announces the test of a novel Russian ballistic missile against Ukraine, 11.21.2024.
Putin has addressed a message to the nation following Kiev's attacks with long-range weapons.
Russia launched an attack on a Ukrainian target with a new medium-range missile on Thursday, in response to Ukraine's attacks on internationally recognized Russian territory, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced. This is a combined attack launched by the Russian army on Thursday against one of the facilities of the Ukrainian defense industrial complex.
"One of the newest Russian medium-range missile systems was tested in combat conditions. In this case, with a ballistic missile in a non-nuclear hypersonic equipment," Putin announced, adding that the missile has been named Oreshnik (Walnut orchard).
"The tests were successful. The goal of the launch has been achieved. On the territory of Ukraine, in the city of Dnepropetrovsk, one of the largest known industrial complexes since the time of the Soviet Union, which today produces missile technology and other weapons, was attacked," the Russian president said.
Putin also stressed that there are currently no means to counter such weapons. "The missiles strike targets at a speed of Mach 10, from 2.5 to 3 kilometres per second. The modern air defence systems available in the world and the missile defence system created by the Americans in Europe do not intercept these missiles. This is impossible," he said.
According to the Russian president, "the development of intermediate- and short-range missiles is carried out in response to American plans to produce and deploy intermediate- and short-range missiles in Europe and in the Asia-Pacific region."
In the early morning of November 19, the FF.AA. the Ukrainian armed Forces have carried out an attack with ATACMS on a military installation in the Russian province of Bryansk. In addition, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced on Thursday that, over the past 24 hours, Russian air defence systems shot down two British-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
Yandex Translate from Spanish
https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/531231-putin-dirige-mensaje-ataques-kiev
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Looks like Putin's new Oreshnik MRBM will be tested some more!
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"A weak and pathetic answer"
I have just a fantastic summary to the struggling efforts of some here
https://t.me/svinkavobmoroke/525
With subtitles!
I have just a fantastic summary to the struggling efforts of some here
https://t.me/svinkavobmoroke/525
With subtitles!
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Now just use this novel system directly over Kiev and we're good.
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Found it finally - sorry for delay
https://rumble.com/v5rozhw-vladimir-putin-addresses-the-nation.html
Fresh&smoky!
https://rumble.com/v5rozhw-vladimir-putin-addresses-the-nation.html
Fresh&smoky!
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Interesting: Western media disputed Kiev's claim that Russia launched ICBM.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-launched-icbm-ukraine-war-putin-rcna181131
It is interesting that Western media also acknowledged that Russia is winning and the so-called "long range weapon" will not change anything.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-launched-icbm-ukraine-war-putin-rcna181131
Russia did not fire an ICBM at Ukraine, U.S. officials say, disputing a claim by Kyiv
U.S. officials told NBC News that the weapon fired by Moscow at the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnipro was an experimental intermediate range ballistic missile.
Russia did not fire an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) at Ukraine on Thursday, a U.S. official and a military officer with knowledge of the matter told NBC News, disputing a claim by Kyiv. U.S. officials said the weapon was in fact an experimental intermediate range ballistic missile and that Russia has a limited supply of that particular missile. Intermediate range ballistic missiles typically have a range of less than 3,500 miles.
The claim [Kiev's claim] was quickly disputed by a Western official, who said it was a ballistic missile but not an ICBM that was fired. The Western official declined to further characterize the missile that was used, adding that its impact was still being assessed.
A spokesperson for British Prime Minister Keir Starmer called the reports “deeply concerning” but added that intelligence services were still looking into them.
It is interesting that Western media also acknowledged that Russia is winning and the so-called "long range weapon" will not change anything.
Ultimately, analysts say, the likelihood of the Kremlin opting to use nuclear weapons in its war with Ukraine is very slim — particularly now, when its military is advancing and its opponent is worn down.
Russian forces have seized the momentum in recent months and eked out a succession of territorial gains, particularly on the eastern front lines. They have also been bolstered by thousands of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's troops in their quest to retake occupied land in Russia's Kursk border region.
The West relaxing restrictions on Ukraine's use of long-range weapons may boost Kyiv but will likely do little to transform the battlefield situation, analysts said, despite the dire nature of the Kremlin's rhetorical reaction.
“At this stage in the war, the risk of Russian nuclear use is lower than before. Political and battlefield developments favor Russia, so there is little to gain by escalating the conflict to the nuclear level,” said Alexander Bollfrass, head of strategy, technology and arms control at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank.
In addition to the unclear military benefits of deploying those weapons, there would also be diplomatic drawbacks.
“Nuclear weapons use would risk alienating China and other non-Western countries whose support or neutrality is key to maintaining the Russian war economy,” Bollfrass told NBC News in an email Wednesday. “It would also get the relationship with the incoming Trump administration off to a very dangerous start.”
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Scorpius wrote:Now watch the video and realize that each group of falling objects is the equivalent of 7 Hiroshima. By the way, where were the Patriot?)))
https://t.me/bmpd_cast/21446
Don't get overexcited.
First, Patriot was called to be taken down by assisting Kinzhals.
Second, if we take Putins words as granted - a 3km/s speed range and we consider solid a 200 kg warhead weight ... well ... 0.2T per warhead. 200 kilos.
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The Oreshnik missile demonstrates impressive precision. It's remarkable that Russia developed such a sophisticated weapon in such a short timeframe. While the Iskander was effective, the purpose of the Oreshnik remains unclear to me.
Perhaps Russia is gauging its military-industrial complex's ability to rapidly innovate and deploy new MRBMs
Perhaps Russia is gauging its military-industrial complex's ability to rapidly innovate and deploy new MRBMs