PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

Heck Chinese naval radars are more advanced in terms of hardware than US radars. Compare the superstructure of Type 055 with latest Flight IIA Arleigh Burke. I do not know about the software but the hardware is better. The only nation which might currently have better naval radar than the Chinese is Japan.

So your claim is that engines and propulsion systems are foreign but copied and made in China now and the same for weapons and sensors and other hardware, but somehow China has become a world leader in radar design and production?

I don't doubt the latter, the west has been making lots of stuff in China and the Chinese are not stupid, but there is a difference between licence producing or reverse engineering equipment to producing brand new state of the art new equipment.

I would also suggest that the Russians are beyond just making a good AESA radar, and are making sensor systems that combine multiple frequencies and sensor types and combining their capabilities to make them even more effective and powerful by emphasising their advantages and minimising or eliminating their problems.

China is no doubt an economic and production superpower, but they aren't the military superpower that Russia is.

Arleigh Burke have different versions... they still produce them with upgraded tech.

Chinese haven't a reliable radar tech. Export customers aren't that happy with them. I remember an AD guy from SAA on twitter complaining how shitty chinese radars were compare to advertisements. He said radars always do worse than what their ads say but for the chinese it was the worse.

Have you ever heard of the word logic? You are a man who believes that the Rafale is a black hole in the sky, so your writing about the "unreliability" of Chinese radars is plain nonsense in your style. Realize, it is impossible to put 33 destroyers into active service in 10 years without all the equipment being thoroughly tested.

Russian AD was thoroughly tested yet ukro drone goes easily in their bases hosting fighters...

Chinese radars are shittier than US.

I am writing to you again that what you write has no logic, because there is no and it is impossible to put dozens and dozens of destroyers, frigates or corvettes that do not have reliable radars into service. If the case was as you describe it, then the Chinese ships would be in shipyards for repairs, but they are not. China is efficient and the Chinese feel it and you can see that they are proud of their efficiency. On the other hand, in the West, they are effective in protests, tents and increasingly poor infrastructure. It is enough for me to see the city that has developed the fastest in the history of mankind, that is, Shenzhen, then to see the shouted New York and to see who is who.
It's over for the West, it's over

Chinese shipbuilder Hudong–Zhonghua is busy expanding thier naval yard it seems. Several dry-docks and more building are under construction.

Rather than expanding they are building a new yard in that island. Their old yard close to Shanghai is supposed to be closed down and used for river front property development.
The new yard is supposed to have better facilities.

True, the production is probably going to step up either way.

We really don't know what their schedule might be... they wont keep building ships at this rate unless they have a high failure rate which would be very bad, though I think unlikely.

They will be looking at their sea lines of communication and trade and where the risky places are and how to get and maintain ships in those areas with some persistence to ensure their trade lines can't be interfered with.

They are not making these ships for fun.

The rate isnt showing any sign of slowing down yet. The Type-52D has probably reached it production goal of 25 vessels. The Type-054A frigate production continues with atleast 20 more vessels. The Type-055 is probably going for a second batch. Also its the Type-076 LDH should go in production in the next coming years.

Then its the Type-004 carrier class, the type-054B frigate, the Type-095 SSN and the Type-096 SSBN.

Entered into active service in the period from 2014 to 2023; 25 Type-052D destroyers...



Entered into active service in the period from 2013 to 2015; 4 Type-052C destroyers...The first two Type-052Cs entered active service in 2004 and 2005.



Construction continues...

I think it would be good to include the Type-051/052 destroyers (at least unified in the same column) as well as the Type-054A/B frigates in the section with the Chinese armed forces.
As far as I can see, there is only a column for Type-055.
The second Type-054B frigate was launched.

Those ships are only build to keep the unemployment rate down.
Most of them never left the littoral waters or even the harbor areas.

They use them as escorts for the destroyers quite often. And the Chinese do missions to Africa and the Middle East occasionally. For example they do anti-piracy deployments to the Gulf of Aden.

Hole wrote:Those ships are only build to keep the unemployment rate down.
Most of them never left the littoral waters or even the harbor areas.

Then it turns out that the Chinese also built over 200 J-20s and over 300 J-16s just to keep up production.

Hole wrote:Those ships are only build to keep the unemployment rate down.
Most of them never left the littoral waters or even the harbor areas.

All part of the PLAN's plan

Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? We'll this is Xi's PLAN's plan.

As a gesture of goodwill they will all be donated to Putin's FLOT

Hole wrote:Those ships are only build to keep the unemployment rate down.
Most of them never left the littoral waters or even the harbor areas.

Pretty sure they can still load cruise missiles and destroy US bases in the Pacific.

But it's true they made a lot of speed boats and corvettes.

Now they started focusing on big ships. The labding ships will also be very usefull.

https://overclockers.ru/blog/Global_Chronicles/show/137958/Kitaj-pristupil-k-razmescheniju-lazerov-na-raketnyh-korablyah

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Im gessing the video is talking about the Qinghaihu, a 35 year old replenishment ship bought from Ukraine in 1992.
It has now been succeded by the larger and faster Typ-901 vessels in the Fuyu-class.

If they want to face the US navy they need to make a super anti-sub version with catamaran hull that would widstand torpedo explosions and be able to launch a shit ton of ASW helicopters.

US subs are game changer against Chinese navy. They lack way too behind to be a real threat right now.

Soviet Moskva class helicopter carrier should be an exemple of what they need accompanied by a bunch of ASW corvettes and ASW patrol aircraft.

Their landing forces would be decimated by US subs right now.

They don't lead in electronics... Taiwan is actually the leader for production and most best products are US.

Anyway my point was about subs. Their subs are way behind US ones. Their SSK are ok but they are not for blue waters. Their SSN suck, Japanese heli carrier managed to track easily one. If their ships go in the open, behind Taiwan, they will be crushed by Virginias.

It's well known subs are better than ships. They evolve in 3D while ships only in 2D, they can play with water salinity levels more easily and sneak through.

China needs to have a counter measure against them and right now they don't have.