Su-30 for Russian Air Force

In the end I got bmpd to correct the incorrect information   ,  and he made a new article to celebrate the 100th Su-30SM  

See the coments in the previous article: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2996263.html

AMCXXL wrote:In the end I got bmpd to correct the incorrect information   ,  and he made a new article to celebrate the 100th Su-30SM  

See the coments in the previous article: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2996263.html

exactly you put them in their position!

can you help with your info on these numbers?

https://www.russiadefence.net/t4806p375-russian-air-force-numbers-and-procurement-plans#211357

hoom wrote:This has been doing the rounds recently

Apparently an airdrop into Deir es Zour in Syria so presumably a couple of months back before that seige got lifted.

Thats some impressive control/ability but wingtip on the break must have been incredibly close to disaster.

I don't think it was performed so dangerously as it seems.

From last drop to the pop-up performed by the Su-30, there is a gap several seconds long. Likely the Su-30 was several tens of meter on its right during the drop, in plain view from the transport cockpit, and after receiving confirmation from transport's crew that the drop was over, drifted on its left just to get filmed.

I find it most likely than a reckless performance, in which case the transport's crew and their command could have had a very harsh say on return to base.

If in VKF things works as in any other air force, such stunts if not agreed in advance could lead to serious strifes between crews and commanding officers too.

All the worst if both operating from the same airfield

A new-generation fighter SU 30SM Russia departed from Irkutsk to Kursk

Russian air Force successfully ended its operation above syrian's sky. After this mission it would be interesting to have a feedback about the SU-30 SM. Iam near sure that the SU-30 were able to detect, and engage any US aircraft, including the F-22. The stealth technology did not help the F-22 against the SU-30. As the russian aircraft does have enough EW to and maneuverability to neutralize any BVR missile launched against it. Do not forget that US suspended the F-22's missions once they know that SU-30 and SU-35 were arriving. US failed to penetrate russian's buble above Syria, I think it is the fair of Sukhoi and Mig-29 SMT.
If people among know russian, and know where to find russian website, could they give us, and tell us too what were of the amazing SU-30 SM's -and of course the SU-35, and Mig-29 SMT - result above Middle east's mission ?

nemrod wrote:Russian air Force successfully ended its operation above syrian's sky. After this mission it would be interesting to have a feedback about the SU-30 SM. Iam near sure that the SU-30 were able to detect, and engage any US aircraft, including the F-22. The stealth technology did not help the F-22 against the SU-30. As the russian aircraft does have enough EW to and maneuverability to neutralize any BVR missile launched against it. Do not forget that US suspended the F-22's missions once they know that SU-30 and SU-35 were arriving. US failed to penetrate russian's buble above Syria, I think it is the fair of Sukhoi and Mig-29 SMT.
If people among know russian, and know where to find russian website,  could they give us, and tell us too what were of the amazing SU-30 SM's -and of course the SU-35, and Mig-29 SMT - result above Middle east's mission ?

What do you mean by "amazing" mission? number bombs dropped? air "cover" of other Russian flying assets? 
If you think that stealth fighters cannot be detected then thing what stealth means. It is "invisible" only in Hollywood/Bollywood in reality its reducing signature and mostly form front.   Using chaff dispensers to make problems for Russian Su-25s was not really "stealth" action.

Russia to start upgrading Su-30SM fighter aircraft in 2018

The upgraded planes will join the army in 2019

http://tass.com/defense/988986

nemrod wrote:Russian air Force successfully ended its operation above syrian's sky. After this mission it would be interesting to have a feedback about the SU-30 SM. Iam near sure that the SU-30 were able to detect, and engage any US aircraft, including the F-22. The stealth technology did not help the F-22 against the SU-30. As the russian aircraft does have enough EW to and maneuverability to neutralize any BVR missile launched against it. Do not forget that US suspended the F-22's missions once they know that SU-30 and SU-35 were arriving. US failed to penetrate russian's buble above Syria, I think it is the fair of Sukhoi and Mig-29 SMT.
If people among know russian, and know where to find russian website,  could they give us, and tell us too what were of the amazing SU-30 SM's -and of course the SU-35, and Mig-29 SMT - result above Middle east's mission ?

None crashed.

Too Early to find a open source assesment i guess.

Su-30SM with new SAP-518SM ECM pods.

PapaDragon wrote:
Russia to start upgrading Su-30SM fighter aircraft in 2018

The upgraded planes will join the army in 2019

http://tass.com/defense/988986

Any word on what the upgrade will be?

d_taddei2 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russia to start upgrading Su-30SM fighter aircraft in 2018

The upgraded planes will join the army in 2019

http://tass.com/defense/988986

Any word on what the upgrade will be?

Seems its actually mostly removal of foreign components used in production till now, and integration of new PGMs/EW systems enhancing.

What does that video says , Is it firing the latest RVV-MD WVRAAM ?

DOes any ones have speccs of BARS-R ? I read it has higher average power compared to BARS-M on Indian MKI ?

Thanks

First 4 Su-30SM delivered this year arrive at Kursk. Will start forming the 2nd squadron.

https://sdelanounas.rblogs/106560/

Austin wrote:What does that video says , Is it firing the latest RVV-MD WVRAAM ?

DOes any ones have speccs of BARS-R ? I read it has higher average power compared to BARS-M on Indian MKI ?

Thanks

Can any one answer the above query ? Thanks

Bars R is probably around similar performance to latest variant of Bars M, in that it has detection ratings of about 300km for 3m^2 targets, but uses mostly of Russian origin components compared to Bars M that was more tailored to India's needs.

miketheterrible wrote:Bars R is probably around similar performance to latest variant of Bars M, in that it has detection ratings of about 300km for 3m^2 targets, but uses mostly of Russian origin components compared to Bars M that was more tailored to India's needs.

On wiki they quote a source that says Bars M has a range of 140 head on against a mig-29. They also say 400 km detection range and 200 km tracking range. But it is for sure better than 140km against a mig. The radar is a last generation PESA and with a very big antena. Real numbers are state secrets but it probably something like you said.

What for sure is bad is the range of missiles. Having a radar with 400 km range but missiles that can go only 80km isn't good. They should start upgrading their su-30 fleets for r-77M. They are limited by the missiles so even a cheaper mig-29M could destroy them with the same missiles but with a cheaper and less capable radar.

First see doesn't mean first shoot. Unless they have r-37 or r-77M.

Bars-R radar was from the beginning modified for RuAF needs. Bars-M and BARS-R have the same Chelnok transmitter, which could operate at 7 kW peak power, but in export Bars-M peak power is limited to 4-5 kW. Russian Bars-R most probably have newer more capable processors, so it is for sure more capable than export radar and have longer range. After all RuAF Su-30SM detect F-22 in Syria at range longer than 40 km, what is far longer range than the one expected for Bars-M radar.

The range of the missile depends on the speed and flight level of the aircraft. An R-27RE fired from an Su-30SM with a speed of M1,5 at an height of 12.000 m will fly longer than a R-27RE fired from an MiG-29 at lower Speed/height. If you can see further, you can bring yourself in a better position.

franco wrote:First 4 Su-30SM delivered this year arrive at Kursk. Will start forming the 2nd squadron.

https://sdelanounas.rblogs/106560/

do we know where the MiG-29SMT fighters of Kursk regiment will go?

Isos wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Bars R is probably around similar performance to latest variant of Bars M, in that it has detection ratings of about 300km for 3m^2 targets, but uses mostly of Russian origin components compared to Bars M that was more tailored to India's needs.

On wiki they quote a source that says Bars M has a range of 140 head on against a mig-29. They also say 400 km detection range and 200 km tracking range. But it is for sure better than 140km against a mig. The radar is a last generation PESA and with a very big antena. Real numbers are state secrets but it probably something like you said.

What for sure is bad is the range of missiles. Having a radar with 400 km range but missiles that can go only 80km isn't good. They should start upgrading their su-30 fleets for r-77M. They are limited by the missiles so even a cheaper mig-29M could destroy them with the same missiles but with a cheaper and less capable radar.

First see doesn't mean first shoot. Unless they have r-37 or r-77M.

90's data. Here is from more recent sources. I found it from other forum



As for missile, later variants of R-27 had longer range. Over 100km.