Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
Being the laughing joke of the world. 




It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
Being the laughing joke of the world. 
................
It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
image Russia is sending to the world. 
...........................
So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
Being the laughing joke of the world. 


It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
image Russia is sending to the world. 



https://sputniknews.com/military/201702271051091162-russia-sends-frigate-syrian-shores/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nYINKXdgLs

So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

PapaDragon wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Putin's Russia doing always what it knows how to do best.
Being the laughing joke of the world. 
................
It seems Russia navy is trying to take the title away of Britain ,of the worse 
conditions navy in the world. Look at the Smoke , and this is supposed to be
Russia "most modern" ,"state of the art" warship. everyone making laughs about 
Russia "obsolete navy" , whether this is true or not , is not what matters. But what
more matters in a time of peace Nation image and military strenght is everything. Russia will never encourage respect on its nation if their warship throw more smoke than a coal burning plant. And this  is bad for the image of Russia. If Russia intention is deterrence and security for SYria , then having their best warships in service ,becoming a joke for the poor condition of
its engines ,is not definitevely the best way for Mr Putin to project strenght.   

just a few comments from the report so people see what kind of 
image Russia is sending to the world. 
...........................
So there you have it.. instead of people discussing Russian navy power , you 
have Europeans and Americans discussing the poor quality conditions of Russian
engines in their warships. And it was no different with Russia aircraft carrier ,that also
made headlines and not for anything good. but for poor performance too. Good thing is Russia have many nukes.. but Russia should not be relying only on them for deterrence. Russian nuclear inventory did not saved the Russian pilot shut down by TUrkey ,neither is helping much to help Syria to avoid being partitioned by NATO.

Retard factor is powerful in this one...

hoom wrote:I dunno about the smoke but Grigorovich is making yet another excursion to the Med.
Its maintaining a very high operational tempo.
Imagine how active they will be when the other 2 ships arrive? Or if they ever get the 2nd group of 3.

Isn't the Essen commissioned already?.

miroslav wrote:This is an article that came out recently, it states that the Adm. Makaarov did have some difficulty's during the testing of the Shtil-1 SAM, I mention this because there where words that the officials from the government have criticized the industry (Алмаз-Антей) for the delays with Poliment-Redut and Shtil systems.

As I commented, we saw (as much as we could) that the Shtil-1 is working and that it is tested on the previous 2 ships and that it is a good system, this article "clearly" indicates that this is an isolated case consecrating the installation on the Adm. Makarov. Fortunately it also seas that the problem is dealt with and that the ship is entering the last phase of tests, probably to confirm that everything is working together as it should.


http://flotprom.ru/2017/%D0%AF%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C9/

hoom wrote:Interesting indeed.

Apparently the missile is good for 70km on the Buk-3M but limited to 50km on 11356 by the MR-90 fire control radar not having enough power to illuminate a target further out.

If they're going to that extra effort its even more bizarre that there might be only 3 ships with it.

PapaDragon wrote:

don't forget that Steregushi class also uses Shtil

PapaDragon wrote:

hoom wrote:Interesting indeed.

Apparently the missile is good for 70km on the Buk-3M but limited to 50km on 11356 by the MR-90 fire control radar not having enough power to illuminate a target further out.

If they're going to that extra effort its even more bizarre that there might be only 3 ships with it.

Not that bizarre, there could be more than 3 and don't forget that Steregushi class also uses Shtil

Also, exports

TheArmenian wrote:....
Papadragon,

You are the master of mixing up things.

Steregushy (pr. 20380) class does not use Shtil. It uses Redut.

PapaDragon wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:....
Papadragon,

You are the master of mixing up things.

Steregushy (pr. 20380) class does not use Shtil. It uses Redut.

Well crap....

But how the heck are these in use and Gorshkov that uses same thing has issues?