The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

Regular wrote:If they nationalise it how they will pay wages to workers? Where is their budget?

arpakola wrote:

Regular wrote:If they nationalise it how they will pay wages to workers? Where is their budget?

Αhkmandof has a lot of profit out of it..
My friend .. workers are produsing  always .. more then they are paid .. ALWAYS.. that is one of the rules of capitalism..

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9yjshy2Qva0

Mount Karachun (near Slavyansk) under mortar fire.

arpakola wrote:

Regular wrote:If they nationalise it how they will pay wages to workers? Where is their budget?

Αhkmandof has a lot of profit out of it..
My friend .. workers are produsing  always .. more then they are paid .. ALWAYS.. that is one of the rules of capitalism..

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What a retarded comment for a retarded jewish alcoholic who still hunts humanity 150 years afterward.
If you could get as much as you were producing then why should someone give you his means of production, his capital, his expertise, or cooperate with you!?
I mean total crap mate! Is like if saying that an internal combustion engine always burns more fuel that the  energy output she produces.
Damn we do know this, friction, thermal loss and constrains always take the bulk of it. No friction no compression in first place so total idiocy of stating the obvious.

btw Go say this principle to the countless of state enterprises or private ones who report loses instead of profits...

Vann7 wrote:
Ukraine have a debt of $3.5 billions US dollars to Russia in Gas alone.. and about $15 billions for other things.
IF Russia Annex Donetsk and Lugansk now..and or invade.. Then kiev will refuse to pay its debt and still receive Gas by reverse from Europe from the one Russia supply them and at their prices..and kiev could also cut the Electricity and water supply to the east and then
Russia will have to deal with that major problem and this aside of the war they will need to face against the Ukraine army and its radicals.
This is why is not on interest of Russia to invade Ukraine and try to avoid as much as possible to enter.. and instead they will prefer to send undercover veterans well armed with anti tank rockets and manpads to help.

Vann7 wrote:
Ukraine have a debt of $3.5 billions US dollars to Russia in Gas alone.. and about $15 billions for other things.
IF Russia Annex Donetsk and Lugansk now..and or invade.. Then kiev will refuse to pay its debt and still receive Gas by reverse from Europe from the one Russia supply them and at their prices..and kiev could also cut the Electricity and water supply to the east and then
Russia will have to deal with that major problem and this aside of the war they will need to face against the Ukraine army and its radicals.
This is why is not on interest of Russia to invade Ukraine and try to avoid as much as possible to enter.. and instead they will prefer to send undercover veterans well armed with anti tank rockets and manpads to help.

Car explosion near a hospital in Simferopol, Crimea

It has operated a vehicle next to a hospital in the Crimean city of Simferopol. Specialists are investigating the incident.

"The group of operations research to the Research Committee of the Republic of Crimea has come to the scene of the incident. Inspection is performed and then the results and more detailed information is given", told Itar-Tass on Commission Research of the Republic of Crimea. moment the vehicle type is not specified and if no victims or injured after the explosion. More soon.

Complete text: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/128795-explotar-auto-simferopol-crimea?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

magnumcromagnon wrote:This may have very well been the work of Tartar extremists that Pepe Escobar and myself have warned about (and or Right Sector), only time will tell:

Car explosion near a hospital in Simferopol, Crimea

It has operated a vehicle next to a hospital in the Crimean city of Simferopol. Specialists are investigating the incident.

"The group of operations research to the Research Committee of the Republic of Crimea has come to the scene of the incident. Inspection is performed and then the results and more detailed information is given", told Itar-Tass on Commission Research of the Republic of Crimea. moment the vehicle type is not specified and if no victims or injured after the explosion.  More soon.  

Complete text: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/128795-explotar-auto-simferopol-crimea?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Regular wrote:Sorry guys, You can say what ever about Russia getting Crimea, but prestige wise Russia took it up the arse. 
After Ukraine there will be Belarus or Kazakhstan...

Regular wrote:Sorry guys, You can say what ever about Russia getting Crimea, but prestige wise Russia took it up the arse. 
After Ukraine there will be Belarus or Kazakhstan...

Regular wrote:Sorry guys, You can say what ever about Russia getting Crimea, but prestige wise Russia took it up the arse. 
After Ukraine there will be Belarus or Kazakhstan...

Vann7 wrote:
Ukraine have a debt of $3.5 billions US dollars to Russia in Gas alone.. and about $15 billions for other things.
IF Russia Annex Donetsk and Lugansk now..and or invade.. Then kiev will refuse to pay its debt and still receive Gas by reverse from Europe from the one Russia supply them and at their prices..and kiev could also cut the Electricity and water supply to the east and then
Russia will have to deal with that major problem and this aside of the war they will need to face against the Ukraine army and its radicals.
This is why is not on interest of Russia to invade Ukraine and try to avoid as much as possible to enter.. and instead they will prefer to send undercover veterans well armed with anti tank rockets and manpads to help.

AirCargo wrote:New York Times-Europe

Solidarity Eludes Ukraine Separatist Groups as Presidential Election Nears


By ANDREW ROTH and DAVID M. HERSZENHORNMAY 21, 2014

DONETSK, Ukraine — With a critical presidential election looming on Sunday, rifts are appearing among the patchwork of separatist groups that have seized control of public buildings in numerous cities in southeastern Ukraine.

In an interview on Wednesday, a rebel politician in Slovyansk said he did not recognize the authority of the self-proclaimed government of the Donetsk region and suggested he could use force to seize control.  Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, the self-declared mayor of the city of Slovyansk, where Ukrainian troops and anti-Kiev militias have engaged in sporadic fighting for several weeks, said that there was no contact between him and the new republic’s government and suggested he could order the city’s paramilitary groups to “restore order” in Donetsk.  “We are here fighting, and they are sitting around stuffing themselves,” Mr. Ponomaryov said by telephone from the city, which has been surrounded by Ukrainian military checkpoints and is in a region where shelling and shootouts have occurred in recent weeks. “It’s not a difference of opinion,” he said. “We have fundamentally opposing views.”

Mr. Ponomaryov’s statements suggested open hostility between Donetsk, where the Donetsk People’s Republic declared autonomy from Kiev after organizing a referendum this month, and several heavily armed stronghold cities to the northwest.   But with armed groups in Slovyansk and elsewhere under the control of a shadowy military commander named Igor Strelkov, it was not immediately clear that Mr. Ponomaryov’s denunciation of his fellow revolutionaries carried any real weight.

The separatist groups were knocked off balance earlier this month when President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia announced his intention to withdraw tens of thousands of Russian troops from the Ukrainian border, recommended that Ukraine solve its political problems through dialogue, and even gave tacit backing to the presidential election. Whether they can maintain their previous momentum without the implicit military and political backing of the Kremlin remains to be seen.

Mr. Ponomaryov’s statements came as Ukraine’s provisional government has tried to cobble together support and improve the chances of a legitimate vote on Sunday. At a round-table session in the southern city of Mykolaiv, representatives of the Kiev government received a generally warm reception amid what seemed to be broad support for the talks, which are intended to help resolve the political crisis.  Mykola P. Romanchuk, the governor of the Mykolaiv region, praised the effort at dialogue. “The right way to solve any problems — economic, judicial and, today, political,” Mr. Romanchuk said, “we need to solve at the round table.”  The atmosphere was notably lighter than at the previous session in the eastern city of Kharkiv, where officials from the embattled region at times openly questioned the motives and even the legitimacy of the provisional government.

Officials described Sunday’s presidential election as critical to Ukraine’s moving forward after the recent months of unrest. The acting prime minister, Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk, said the government was working steadily to carry out a series of structural changes, including constitutional amendments, and a decentralization plan that will give greater budget authority to local officials.  Mr. Yatsenyuk said the government was also committed to tightening ties with Europe through formal political and trade agreements. “We have no other way,” he said. Mr. Yatsenyuk also sounded optimistic about the east, collectively known as Donbass, where he said separatist groups were clearly weakened.  “In the last few days, the situation in Donbass has turned around,” Mr. Yatsenyuk said. “The self-proclaimed Donbass republics will control neither Donbass nor Ukraine. I can call it an achievement of our common efforts.”  In a visit to a military base located near the city of Slovyansk, Oleksandr V. Turchynov, Ukraine’s acting president, told local news media that Kiev’s military campaign against the rebel groups was entering its “final phase” and vowed to “cleanse the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of terrorists.”

Denis Pushilin, the speaker for the revolutionary republic’s parliament based in Donetsk, denounced the military campaign and said that if it continued it could provoke a military response from Russia.  Speaking in his office on the 10th floor of the seized regional administration building in Donetsk, Mr. Pushilin on Wednesday denied any rift between himself and Mr. Ponomaryov.  He said that Mr. Ponomaryov had received “incorrect information” because the military blockade of the city had hampered communications, which could be monitored by the Ukrainian military.  But Mr. Pushilin said that relations remained strong with Mr. Strelkov, who he said controlled all the paramilitary groups in the region.

Ukrainian media outlets, many of them openly hostile to anti-Kiev forces in the east, have reported that heightened tensions have led to arguments and even armed clashes among rebel commanders in several cities.  Both Mr. Pushilin and Mr. Ponomaryov denied that serious fighting had taken place.

On Tuesday, several military trucks with armed men bearing a Russian flag sped into Donetsk from the north and surrounded the headquarters of the Ukrainian Security Service, which has been occupied by members of a Donetsk-based militia. Sentries dressed in military fatigues and armed with automatic rifles were posted at crossroads leading to the building, and city police officers prevented pedestrians from entering the area.  A guard, who did not give his name but identified himself as a second lieutenant in the army of the Donetsk People’s Republic, said they had come from the city of Horlivka, which is located to the north of Donetsk, in order to “instill order” among members of a local militia.  “There is no discipline” among them, he said, adding that the local militias were “unprofessional” and had not been registered. “Horlivka made the revolution.”

Andrew Roth reported from Donetsk, and David M. Herszenhorn from Kiev, Ukraine.

Под домашний арест отпустил суд Одессы активиста Евромайдана Сергея Ходиака, который подозревается в стрельбе из охотничьего ружья по милиционерам, демонстрантам и прохожим 2 мая. 2 мая в Одессе шесть человек получили смертельные ранения из огнестрельного оружия.
Ещё пятеро были ранены дробью из охотничьего оружия, напоминает ИТАР-ТАСС. После беспорядков задержаны 12 человек, заведены уголовные дела по шести статьям Уголовного кодекса Украины.
Беспорядки в Одессе начались с марша, устроенного приехавшими из Киева экстремистами "Правого сектора", самообороной Майдана и футбольными фанатами из Харькова. Они подожгли палаточный городок на Куликовом поле.
Находившиеся на Куликовом поле сборщики подписей за проведение референдума о федерализации Украины и наделении русского языка статусом государственного укрылись в Доме профсоюзов. Дом профсоюзов нападавшие подожгли коктейлями Молотова.
В беспорядках от огня, отравления хлороформом, огнестрельных ранений и бит погибли 48 человек, 247 — пострадали. Ряд украинских политиков заявлял, что киевские власти сознательно занижают число жертв. По некоторым данным, погибших может быть до 116 человек.
По словам начальника Главного следственного управления МВД Украины Виталия Сакала, для расследования беспорядков в Одессе создана следственно-оперативная группа из 200 человек, привлечены иностранные эксперты.
Между тем, в одесских СМИ опубликованы фото- и видеоматериалы, которые свидетельствуют о том, что в ходе беспорядков Сергей Ходиак действительно стрелял в людей, в том числе сотрудников правоохранительных органов, из обреза охотничьего ружья.
Одесский областной совет в середине мая запретил пребывание на территории области незаконных вооруженных формирований.
"Радикалов не должно быть на улицах — это мое отношение к "Правому сектору". Я считаю эту группу заранее полностью финансированной какими-то людьми с какими-то определенными целями. Везде, где они появлялись, были только провокации", — заявил губернатор области Игорь Палица.
Убрать из Одессы присланных из Киева боевиков "Правого сектора" требовал и уволенный после беспорядков начальник одесской милиции Петр Луцюк.
"В Киеве собралось большое количество людей, которые остались без присмотра, было принято решение направить эти формирования в Одессу. Мы в этом не нуждаемся. Они приехали и создают нестабильную ситуацию", — выступил 4 мая перед депутатами областного совета Петр Луцюк.
Он также проинформировал о конфликтах, возникающих у радикалов с одесситами, а также об обнаруженном милицией складе, на который они завезли оружие и боеприпасы.
Присутствие экстремистов в городе необходимо, "чтобы контролировать милицию", утверждает назначенный Киевом прежний губернатор области Владимир Немировский.
Приехавший в Одессу секретарь Совбеза Украины Андрей Парубий встретился с боевиками и передал им бронежилеты и другое снаряжение.