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My mortgage DOUBLED in the last 2 months. Not 10% rise, not 20% rise, not 50%, but DOUBLE.
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Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
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Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
zorobabel Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:32 pm
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Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
caveat emptor Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:21 am
You took an ARM mortgage for your primary residence?ALAMO wrote:My mortgage DOUBLED in the last 2 months. Not 10% rise, not 20% rise, not 50%, but DOUBLE.
And will pay even more next month.
I feel for you bro, but that is amateur move.
I still remember a mess Poland had with CHF indexed mortgages back during Great recession. Almost took whole banking sector down.
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Scorpius wrote:
It sounds so fucked up, bro, my condolences. Reading the above, I begin to think that my $400 a month, which costs me my mortgage and ALL utility bills, is actually a huge luxury.
It is a bargain.
considering that the incomes in Russia are getting closer and closer to our standards, and there is a really small difference now.
A 50m2 app now needs about $110k, and the 30 y mortgage for it will cost about $800 a month. Add the other luxuries like heating&electricity, exploitation costs etc, and you have about triple of your expanses. Easilly.
That is why I was talking about disposable income. If we compare this, and it is the only thing that matters, it might turn out that you are actually wealthier than most of the Europeans, and that was even before this crazy times. It is not an accident that Russian tourists has spent 30% more per capita on holidays. Those money must be coming from somewhere.
zorobabel wrote:
How does your mortgage double? Do you have a variable rate loan? Those are mostly illegal in most Western countries.
Getting from history low reference rate to never seen in the last 15 years high in 2 months can do wonders my friend!
There are no fixed-rate mortgage loans here like forever. 99% are variable. But I hardly believe it is illegal, as it is obviously normal in the UK and Germany.
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You took an ARM mortgage for your primary residence?
I feel for you bro, but that is amateur move.
I still remember a mess Poland had with CHF indexed mortgages back during Great recession. Almost took whole banking sector down.
Neither first, nor second
And the CHF was hardly a mess.
I do have a CHF denominated mortgage loans either
It affected a very specific part of the consumers actually.
The ones who were financing the purchases in 2008/2009, when the CHF/PLN ratio was insanely low, and were trying to leverage.
Bankster system was settled for squeezing them like lemons, giving the loans higher than the immobility value.
Some banksters financed up to 130% of the total immobility value, without any buyers' capital involved. Most of the people just consumed the gap.
And it hardly brought down any of that shit eaters, as that were never a CHF loans in reality. Nobody was setting a secure positions with CHF options. They have just made people to cover that.
It was the liquidity ratios that were pushed down in the whole bankster sector, as increasing CHF struck the credit portfolio value and forced them to settle additional securities as the immobilities value was getting smaller and smaller part of the credits. Some of that, they have forced the borrowers to cover. But they could not in some cases.
To give you an impression, a friend of mine was crediting a home valued at 500 000 CHF at the moment. It was about PLN990 000. Now, it is about PLN2.500 000. CHF ratio he was taking the money was PLN1.98. Now it is almost PLN4.95. And the home value is maybe at 1.2mln, max.
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sundoesntrise wrote:
However imo stating that Erdo&Aliyev are on a US leash is a bridge too far. They are loose guns and at this point all the indicators point at them having a go at establishing that land corridor through Armenian territory. In fact they've already started it as during the Sept. 13-14 fighting they have taken up much more advantegous positions inside Armenian territory. Reminder that at its narrowest point the corridor is only 40-45 km, and that a full on invasion will likely be from two sides.
I think its very hard to say without world class intel for sure as an observer. You're correct in that the Turks have been playing an independent game; with their strategic sights set on a pan-Turkish allegiance (of central Asian and M.E states) that comes at the expense, in part, of Russia's CSTO, and not before. Similar to Polish ambitions for Eastern Europe, but just a different theater. In that regard both the U.S/UK and the Turks find common ground in weakening and destroying the CSTO security architecture. So even if we are to entertain Azerbajan's/Turk moves on Armenia as simply competent opportunism due to Russia's SMO preoccupations... but without U.S/UK nudging/approval/co-optation... these moves, overall, are more than welcomed by the U.S/UK who will, smartly, try to opportunistically take advantage of the situation by trying to bait the remaining Armenian elites who support the Armenian/Russian security partnership to defect, step aside or push them out. The quid pro quo being simple: "exit the CSTO and we (U.S/UK) will help you solve this problem (and more), where the Russians fail". Pelosi's visit, her proclamations while in Armenia, plus the "street show" is all but confirmation of this. And the U.S/UK (unlike Russia) have lots of ways to seriously squeeze Azerbaijan economically without having to lob an Iskander at a pipeline. No small state wants that smoke if it can be avoided. And the world over knows the U.S/UK do act on their economic threats, by established precedent. The Azerbaijan elite won't risk that on top of Russia's ire too (it would be suicide at the height of victory), so if the U.S is able to successfully concoct a full flip of Armenia ala Georgia, I think the conflict would be negotiated into a peace deal extremely quickly, and succeed where the Russians have continually failed. We've seen this in the past with Egypt/Israel and U.S mediation for example. The Turks disconnecting from MIR after a few phone calls by the FED says a lot too - the leash is wide, and loose but it exists. Squeezing Russia/Putin on as many fronts possible is the natural move, and in this case it's way too complementary imo to be without common cause.
As for the 4channer, even I didn't go there and the clown has been biting at my heels for weeks now.... Damn!
No pedestal is too high for the partisan hack either, if only a dirty, evil westerner would tilt the base.... ooops!
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Angry, vann7? 
Edit: forgot the question mark. my snarky comment failed this time, vann7, but it wont next time. Muah hahahaha
Edit: forgot the question mark. my snarky comment failed this time, vann7, but it wont next time. Muah hahahaha
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Are you still at the whining 'it's all so unfair' stage?
No, I am celebrating... I was worried that the Russians would never get over their addiction to try to be European and might accept the role of butler or driver to be considered part of team west, but now the west is basically pushing them away and closing the door behind them and I think it is the best thing that could possibly happen to Russia and for the rest of the world because the west is essentially creating an alternative to themselves that does not include themselves.
Russia and China and India and the many other rest of the world countries that join them will easily be able to fill in the technology and capability gap that the west leaves for those they isolate and punish with sanctions.
Dare I say it... it is also very good for the rest of the world because the west has become toxic... some German poofter lecturing some Arab country about inclusion that if they want to hold international soccer events then they need to accept the rainbow people or else because soccer is about including everyone... except obviously Russians and people from Belarus.
Germans lecturing Arabs...
At some point you gotta move beyond your (misplaced) sense of moral superiority and others' lack of adhering to it.
That is hilarious... the west fails because it does not adhere to its own morals and ethics... morals and ethics it holds other countries to to describe them as evil... Putin hates gays because he wont let them promote gay lifestyles to children... Russia does not put gay people in prison like lots of arab states do but this is not about morals it is about Putin.
Russia is bad because it invades countries... Israel and the US are OK because all their attacks and invasions and wars are humanitarian in nature.
Either you are willing to play the game and stand the heat or you get out of the kitchen.
I am sitting in the living room enjoying a cold beer... it is the west throwing pans and vases and all sorts of shit at Russia and China and any other country that does not do as they are told.
What junior partnership with the Chinese? The same Chinese who chickened out on Taiwan? Not that I blame them for averting conflict; but they're not leading Russia around by the nose.
The concept of HATO is the US controlling European nations against Russia or Afghanistan or whoever they need cannon fodder for this time.... BRICS is not led by any country at all... Russia does not direct it and neither does China or India or Brazil etc etc. It is a political and trade grouping of countries who want to work together to develop and grow their own and each others economies. No one has to adopt communism to trade with China and China does not have to change to a democracy to trade with India or Russia or anyone else, there are no demands regarding culture or conformity... China does not have to approve of Crimea and Russia does not have to approve of Chinese islands in the south China sea... neither China nor Russia need to approve of what is happening in India in Kashmere or anywhere else.
As for China, Russia and China are “allies” by necessity, not choice. They are natural and historical enemies and they will take every opportunity they can get to increase their influence at the expense of the other.
A strong China is no threat to Russia and a strong Russia is not threat to China... and the real irony is that a strong Russia and a strong China were not going to be a threat to the west... except that the west is making them both so... but even then I don't think China and Russia will seek to destroy the west... more likely they will ignore it as best they can and avoid it... except when it gets in their way.
Is it too farfetched to think that Xi JinPing deliberately ordered Putin to delay the invasion until after the Olympics - knowing full well that the Russians` effort would be hampered by the muddy terrain and daily US weapon transports in the run up?
Nobody said a word about Georgia launching their attack on South Ossetia during the opening ceremony at the olympic games... western double standards of course.
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Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
sundoesntrise Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:42 am
'Opposition blogger' Suleymani has said that Azerbaijan has started a covert partial mobilization, and that Aliyev aims to create a new state on the southern part of the territory of Armenia named Gaychar-Zangezur.
Map below is the 'historical' legitimatization.
All unconfirmed.
What has been confirmed though is the use of lettering (Z, A and B) akin to Russia's on military hardware near the Armenian border.
![Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 31 Fdnciv10](https://i.servimg.com/u/f17/20/38/01/17/fdnciv10.jpg)
![Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 31 Fdnz3p10](https://i.servimg.com/u/f17/20/38/01/17/fdnz3p10.jpg)
![Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 31 Screen35](https://i.servimg.com/u/f17/20/38/01/17/screen35.jpg)
Map below is the 'historical' legitimatization.
All unconfirmed.
What has been confirmed though is the use of lettering (Z, A and B) akin to Russia's on military hardware near the Armenian border.
![Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 31 Fdnciv10](https://servimg.com/r/1720380117/fdnciv10.jpg)
![Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 31 Fdnz3p10](https://servimg.com/r/1720380117/fdnz3p10.jpg)
![Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict] - Page 31 Screen35](https://servimg.com/r/1720380117/screen35.jpg)
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So I take it the goofy Palosi trip didnt work out?
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Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
sundoesntrise Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:57 am
TMA1 wrote:So I take it the goofy Palosi trip didnt work out?
Why will Aliyev and Pasinyan both be in New York later today, and what will they talk about (and that means not just official agenda points) ?
Is the ploy here a break up of the CSTO through Azeri aggression - with the US bringing the (rump-state) Armenians into the US led multilateral organisations coasting on a wave of anti-Russian Armenian dissatisfaction?
Don't say that it's past Pashinyan. He is modern day Judas - first and foremost to his own people.
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Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
sundoesntrise Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:02 am
Oh, and as the cherry on the cake Armenian banks (like Kazakh, Vietnamese and Turkish banks) have stopped using the Mir payment system.
Armenian banks have stopped using "Mir" payment system cards.
"APA-Economics" informs that information about this was published in the Russian media.
According to information, their owners cannot withdraw cash at ATMs or pay at retail outlets.
Commenting on the issue, the Central Bank of Armenia said that banks have the right to make an independent decision regarding the provision of services to "Mir" cards.
According to the regulator's statement, commercial banks independently manage their risks, including risks related to secondary sanctions.
"Regarding the changes, commercial banks will inform customers in the established manner in case of changes in the conditions of their services", the information says.
It should be recalled that before this it was announced that services to Mir cards were suspended by Turkey's "Iş Bankası" and "Deniz Bank", Kazakhstan's "Halyk Bank" and Vietnam's "BIDV".
Armenian banks have stopped using "Mir" payment system cards.
"APA-Economics" informs that information about this was published in the Russian media.
According to information, their owners cannot withdraw cash at ATMs or pay at retail outlets.
Commenting on the issue, the Central Bank of Armenia said that banks have the right to make an independent decision regarding the provision of services to "Mir" cards.
According to the regulator's statement, commercial banks independently manage their risks, including risks related to secondary sanctions.
"Regarding the changes, commercial banks will inform customers in the established manner in case of changes in the conditions of their services", the information says.
It should be recalled that before this it was announced that services to Mir cards were suspended by Turkey's "Iş Bankası" and "Deniz Bank", Kazakhstan's "Halyk Bank" and Vietnam's "BIDV".
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Re: Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]
Rodion_Romanovic Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:55 am
I am sorry for the Armenians also because the Azeri are doing a cultural destruction comparable to ISIS, destroyingany centuries old Armenian churches and historical heritage sites.
However the government is doing everything to turn against its only real shield and ally (Russia), and also pissing off the other big player in the region that is also concerned about Azeri territorial claims (Iran).
Until Pashynian went into power, something like this would have not been possible. He is the Armenian Gorbachev and Eltsin put together.
However the government is doing everything to turn against its only real shield and ally (Russia), and also pissing off the other big player in the region that is also concerned about Azeri territorial claims (Iran).
Until Pashynian went into power, something like this would have not been possible. He is the Armenian Gorbachev and Eltsin put together.
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This is all about Armenia... if they don't want Russian or CSTO help there is not a lot Russia or the CSTO can really do... ironically it is like Serbia thinking they can suck up to the west so that Kosovo never broke off...
Seems to not be working however, and if the US is not going to fight Azerbaijan and let them take the territory they want I am not sure how the Armenians can blame Russia.
This is their own history and culture they are selling, but what can Russia or Iran do about it if Armenia thinks the US and the west will be more help than Moscow... I mean looking at what has happened in Syria and Libya and Georgia and the Ukraine and Venezuela... all I can guess is that this Armenian leader thinks he can cause a mess, blame it all on Russia and run away to some third country with lots and lots of CIA money, and the rich and powerful in the country are supporting him... presumably wanting to play the same game.
Did they not notice how impotent the US was in Georgia?
You can lead a horse to water...
Seems to not be working however, and if the US is not going to fight Azerbaijan and let them take the territory they want I am not sure how the Armenians can blame Russia.
This is their own history and culture they are selling, but what can Russia or Iran do about it if Armenia thinks the US and the west will be more help than Moscow... I mean looking at what has happened in Syria and Libya and Georgia and the Ukraine and Venezuela... all I can guess is that this Armenian leader thinks he can cause a mess, blame it all on Russia and run away to some third country with lots and lots of CIA money, and the rich and powerful in the country are supporting him... presumably wanting to play the same game.
Did they not notice how impotent the US was in Georgia?
You can lead a horse to water...
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After ukraine I hope they take care of the Azeris next.
(18+) Armenian civilian beheaded alive by Azerbaijani forces as soldiers cheer and clap - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Azerbaijani special forces soldier pins down an old Armenian man and proceeds to cut his head - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) The staged "diversion" of Hadrut & Execution of Armenian captives by Azerbaijani Armed Forces - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Battering and bullying of Armenian captives by Azerbaijani soldiers - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Desecration of female Armenian soldier by Azerbaijani troops - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Armenian civilian beheaded alive by Azerbaijani forces as soldiers cheer and clap - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Azerbaijani special forces soldier pins down an old Armenian man and proceeds to cut his head - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) The staged "diversion" of Hadrut & Execution of Armenian captives by Azerbaijani Armed Forces - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Battering and bullying of Armenian captives by Azerbaijani soldiers - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Desecration of female Armenian soldier by Azerbaijani troops - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
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Armenia is free to defend itself from Azeri aggression any time they damn well please, but strangely enough they never do, just like in Nagorno-Karabakh. Instead, their shitty, pro-NATO, anti-Russian leadership constantly tries to lure Russia into a conflict with Azerbaijan.thegopnik wrote:After ukraine I hope they take care of the Azeris next.
(18+) Armenian civilian beheaded alive by Azerbaijani forces as soldiers cheer and clap - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Azerbaijani special forces soldier pins down an old Armenian man and proceeds to cut his head - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) The staged "diversion" of Hadrut & Execution of Armenian captives by Azerbaijani Armed Forces - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Battering and bullying of Armenian captives by Azerbaijani soldiers - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
(18+) Desecration of female Armenian soldier by Azerbaijani troops - AzeriWarCrimes.ORG
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Azeris and Caucasus muslims in general are a strange lot. Always have been. No diss towards muslims either they have always been brutal even before they were converted. Saint Bartholomew went to preach to the scythians and caucasus regions. Was flayed alive.
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Armenia is free to defend itself from Azeri aggression any time they damn well please, but strangely enough they never do, just like in Nagorno-Karabakh. Instead, their shitty, pro-NATO, anti-Russian leadership constantly tries to lure Russia into a conflict with Azerbaijan.
And strangely it is always Putins fault...
Azeris and Caucasus muslims in general are a strange lot. Always have been. No diss towards muslims either they have always been brutal even before they were converted. Saint Bartholomew went to preach to the scythians and caucasus regions. Was flayed alive.
What christians have done to the third world to destroy culture and religion around the world... it is hard to blame the muslims for being brutal... just look at the crusades... as usual the europeans lead the way in brutality and violence.
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As I said it isnt about Islam they are just spooky people. Mountain people are often like that. Here in washington state in the cascades we have "upriver folk" who are strange too. No racism or anti Muslim feelings implied. In fact the Persian muslims wrote all kinds of works about the people of gog and magog. Never very civilized.
About your statements on Christianity I wont debate with you as I dont want to get in a war of words with a moderator ;-)
About your statements on Christianity I wont debate with you as I dont want to get in a war of words with a moderator ;-)
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Armenia is the only remaining country Russia has military base and influance. Only country that sees Russia not as foe but a friend.
This was of course the case until 2020 when entire country realized the fact that Putin sold Armenia to Turks. It was certainly a big shock as Armenians had confidence that Russia would never allow a war in the region. It was of surely stupid to think that as countries have their interests and things never stay the same in the dynamic world.
I remember Putin’s speech when he was saying that it’s not Armenia’s proper that got attacked, if it was Russia will defend Armenia. 2 years later Armsnia got invaded by the same Azerbaijan, Russia didn’t even condemned the attack. CSTO receiving formal request of help, didn’t do a damn thing and just sent some commender for monitoring
it was like having fun with Armenians, people that lost 207 of their kids in 2 days against Turkish drones.
Outcome? Russia made their decision to stand with Turkish block and betrayed an entire nation. I would understand it if this was in Russia’s interest but I just have the impression that Turks played Putin, again.
Now US found the chance to take the region from Russia for good. Armenia knowing that Russia is not willing to protect them(even though there is a mutual defence pact) now is forced to side with the US. Recent pools shows that Armenians support to Russia decresed from %80 to %30. So people will be defiantly fine to have security instead of humiliation.
Yes Pashinyan isn’t reliable figure, he is not Pro-American or Pro-NATO, he is just and idiot who Armenians trusted that can deal with corruption. Not liking him doens’t mean that it’s fine to punish an entire country.
Losing the last remaining ally? For what, for two-faced Turks that always backstabbed Russia?
Good job Putin and kudos to everyone who didn’t give the slightest damn to Armenia which stood with Russia even during the Syrian conflict. Russia is great for turning their friends into their enemies. That I can give.
This was of course the case until 2020 when entire country realized the fact that Putin sold Armenia to Turks. It was certainly a big shock as Armenians had confidence that Russia would never allow a war in the region. It was of surely stupid to think that as countries have their interests and things never stay the same in the dynamic world.
I remember Putin’s speech when he was saying that it’s not Armenia’s proper that got attacked, if it was Russia will defend Armenia. 2 years later Armsnia got invaded by the same Azerbaijan, Russia didn’t even condemned the attack. CSTO receiving formal request of help, didn’t do a damn thing and just sent some commender for monitoring
it was like having fun with Armenians, people that lost 207 of their kids in 2 days against Turkish drones.Outcome? Russia made their decision to stand with Turkish block and betrayed an entire nation. I would understand it if this was in Russia’s interest but I just have the impression that Turks played Putin, again.
Now US found the chance to take the region from Russia for good. Armenia knowing that Russia is not willing to protect them(even though there is a mutual defence pact) now is forced to side with the US. Recent pools shows that Armenians support to Russia decresed from %80 to %30. So people will be defiantly fine to have security instead of humiliation.
Yes Pashinyan isn’t reliable figure, he is not Pro-American or Pro-NATO, he is just and idiot who Armenians trusted that can deal with corruption. Not liking him doens’t mean that it’s fine to punish an entire country.
Losing the last remaining ally? For what, for two-faced Turks that always backstabbed Russia?
Good job Putin and kudos to everyone who didn’t give the slightest damn to Armenia which stood with Russia even during the Syrian conflict. Russia is great for turning their friends into their enemies. That I can give.
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Armenian wrote:Armenia is the only remaining country Russia has military base and influance. Only country that sees Russia not as foe but a friend.
This was of course the case until 2020 when entire country realized the fact that Putin sold Armenia to Turks. It was certainly a big shock as Armenians had confidence that Russia would never allow a war in the region. It was of surely stupid to think that as countries have their interests and things never stay the same in the dynamic world.
I remember Putin’s speech when he was saying that it’s not Armenia’s proper that got attacked, if it was Russia will defend Armenia. 2 years later Armsnia got invaded by the same Azerbaijan, Russia didn’t even condemned the attack. CSTO receiving formal request of help, didn’t do a damn thing and just sent some commender for monitoring
Outcome? Russia made their decision to stand with Turkish block and betrayed an entire nation. I would understand it if this was in Russia’s interest but I just have the impression that Turks played Putin, again.
Now US found the chance to take the region from Russia for good. Armenia knowing that Russia is not willing to protect them(even though there is a mutual defence pact) now is forced to side with the US. Recent pools shows that Armenians support to Russia decresed from %80 to %30. So people will be defiantly fine to have security instead of humiliation.
Yes Pashinyan isn’t reliable figure, he is not Pro-American or Pro-NATO, he is just and idiot who Armenians trusted that can deal with corruption. Not liking him doens’t mean that it’s fine to punish an entire country.
Losing the last remaining ally? For what, for two-faced Turks that always backstabbed Russia?
Good job Putin and kudos to everyone who didn’t give the slightest damn to Armenia which stood with Russia even during the Syrian conflict. Russia is great for turning their friends into their enemies. That I can give.
So did the US defend you in 2020. Pashinyan went to them first before having to run back to Putin.
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franco wrote:Armenian wrote:Armenia is the only remaining country Russia has military base and influance. Only country that sees Russia not as foe but a friend.
This was of course the case until 2020 when entire country realized the fact that Putin sold Armenia to Turks. It was certainly a big shock as Armenians had confidence that Russia would never allow a war in the region. It was of surely stupid to think that as countries have their interests and things never stay the same in the dynamic world.
I remember Putin’s speech when he was saying that it’s not Armenia’s proper that got attacked, if it was Russia will defend Armenia. 2 years later Armsnia got invaded by the same Azerbaijan, Russia didn’t even condemned the attack. CSTO receiving formal request of help, didn’t do a damn thing and just sent some commender for monitoring
Outcome? Russia made their decision to stand with Turkish block and betrayed an entire nation. I would understand it if this was in Russia’s interest but I just have the impression that Turks played Putin, again.
Now US found the chance to take the region from Russia for good. Armenia knowing that Russia is not willing to protect them(even though there is a mutual defence pact) now is forced to side with the US. Recent pools shows that Armenians support to Russia decresed from %80 to %30. So people will be defiantly fine to have security instead of humiliation.
Yes Pashinyan isn’t reliable figure, he is not Pro-American or Pro-NATO, he is just and idiot who Armenians trusted that can deal with corruption. Not liking him doens’t mean that it’s fine to punish an entire country.
Losing the last remaining ally? For what, for two-faced Turks that always backstabbed Russia?
Good job Putin and kudos to everyone who didn’t give the slightest damn to Armenia which stood with Russia even during the Syrian conflict. Russia is great for turning their friends into their enemies. That I can give.
So did the US defend you in 2020. Pashinyan went to them first before having to run back to Putin.
The US isn’t standing as the guarantor of Armenia’s security, Russia is. Why would they do anything if Armenia is the formal ally of Russia and is in CSTO? Having hard time to understand the logic, sorry.
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My understanding of the defense pact was that Russia did not recognize Karabakh as being part of Armenia? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Armenian wrote:franco wrote:Armenian wrote:Armenia is the only remaining country Russia has military base and influance. Only country that sees Russia not as foe but a friend.
This was of course the case until 2020 when entire country realized the fact that Putin sold Armenia to Turks. It was certainly a big shock as Armenians had confidence that Russia would never allow a war in the region. It was of surely stupid to think that as countries have their interests and things never stay the same in the dynamic world.
I remember Putin’s speech when he was saying that it’s not Armenia’s proper that got attacked, if it was Russia will defend Armenia. 2 years later Armsnia got invaded by the same Azerbaijan, Russia didn’t even condemned the attack. CSTO receiving formal request of help, didn’t do a damn thing and just sent some commender for monitoring
Outcome? Russia made their decision to stand with Turkish block and betrayed an entire nation. I would understand it if this was in Russia’s interest but I just have the impression that Turks played Putin, again.
Now US found the chance to take the region from Russia for good. Armenia knowing that Russia is not willing to protect them(even though there is a mutual defence pact) now is forced to side with the US. Recent pools shows that Armenians support to Russia decresed from %80 to %30. So people will be defiantly fine to have security instead of humiliation.
Yes Pashinyan isn’t reliable figure, he is not Pro-American or Pro-NATO, he is just and idiot who Armenians trusted that can deal with corruption. Not liking him doens’t mean that it’s fine to punish an entire country.
Losing the last remaining ally? For what, for two-faced Turks that always backstabbed Russia?
Good job Putin and kudos to everyone who didn’t give the slightest damn to Armenia which stood with Russia even during the Syrian conflict. Russia is great for turning their friends into their enemies. That I can give.
So did the US defend you in 2020. Pashinyan went to them first before having to run back to Putin.
The US isn’t standing as the guarantor of Armenia’s security, Russia is. Why would they do anything if Armenia is the formal ally of Russia and is in CSTO? Having hard time to understand the logic, sorry.
Except there are clear rules that even Pashinyan admitted he didn't follow through - 1 being that he has to make the official request to which he did much long after the fact.
And yes, Pashinyan ran to the US first actually, even though he is part of the CSTO. But that's his decision.
The simple fact is, there is no way US can have any footprint in Armenia. So Armenians can be as stupid as they want because Pashinyan fucked over the country and did nothing (Armenian army doesn't do shit and leaves their AD systems in barns for crying out loud) and think US will actually help them. They can't get through Russia to assist. Can't get through Iran. Turkey won't be allowing US buildup in Armenia as it will just throw Azerbaijan entirely into Russian arms afterwards and Georgia is landlocked and can't get through.
So, if Armenians are smart, pray tell how they will get the support and from where?
As someone else said - the fact Armenians are letting their own troops die off and not overthrow pashinyan, and fact he sits there gives indication they are really pushing hard for Russia to actually start the war with Azerbaijan and not do anything themselves. I wonder who could be pulling his strings? (This is obvious of course).
We seen how Russia acts when official requests are made. Syria is an example. Even Ukraine now.
Edit: I know Armenians have been asleep for the last decade, but do they really, truly think the US will actually help them and abandon both Azerbaijan (they need Azeri oil now more than ever) and Turkey who is still NATO? If Armenians really, truly think the US will choose then over the others, especially when geographically they can't do anything for them, then all I can say is Armenia is gonna have a real rude awakening. But I think they will at that point lose majority of its territory by then.
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It's even worse than that, Armenia doesn't recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as a part of its own territory but for some strange reason, they expected Russia to fight Azerbaijan for it? I hope to God Armenia leaves the CTSO and kicks out Russia so Turkey can finish them off, one less problem for Putin.franco wrote:My understanding of the defense pact was that Russia did not recognize Karabakh as being part of Armenia? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Broski wrote:It's even worse than that, Armenia doesn't recognize Nagorno-Karabakh as a part of its own territory but for some strange reason, they expected Russia to fight Azerbaijan for it? I hope to God Armenia leaves the CTSO and kicks out Russia so Turkey can finish them off, one less problem for Putin.franco wrote:My understanding of the defense pact was that Russia did not recognize Karabakh as being part of Armenia? Correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think Armenians deserve this thanks to the stooge regime they have in power. But if they pull a Georgia and wallow in Russia
hate, well then, let Uncle Swineshit take care of their "security". Recall that Armenia voted overwhelmingly (over 95%) for the breakup
of the USSR and there were Armenian terror bombings in Moscow in the late 1970s.
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