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Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships
mnztr- Posts : 2902
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Is this to test out the domestic turbines?
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mnztr wrote:Is this to test out the domestic turbines?
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So it is not just a tanker as such but can fully support and sustain ships and their crews for long endurance missions.
Being a civilian ship it can also access civilian ports for replenishment and resupply in a way that the military ships it is supporting really could not in some cases/situations.
Nice.
Could be used with ships of all sizes to extend their reach and improve endurance.
Being a civilian ship it can also access civilian ports for replenishment and resupply in a way that the military ships it is supporting really could not in some cases/situations.
Nice.
Could be used with ships of all sizes to extend their reach and improve endurance.
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GarryB wrote:So it is not just a tanker as such but can fully support and sustain ships and their crews for long endurance missions.
Being a civilian ship it can also access civilian ports for replenishment and resupply in a way that the military ships it is supporting really could not in some cases/situations.
Nice.
Could be used with ships of all sizes to extend their reach and improve endurance.
Apparently this is a navy ship manned by civilian crews, possibly commanded by navy officers. I had read something about this 8-10 years ago but first time seeing it since.
Believe the USN Auxiliary Fleet operates this way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Fleet_Auxiliary_Force
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it mentions a squad of marines too presumably for use in international waters where some pirates might want to have a go, but also some countries navies might also be tempted to boss around an otherwise unarmed and undefended Russian Navy vessel.
I wonder if they are a separate merchant marine force you do instead of the Navy but with some of the perks so to speak or perhaps if it is a place for naval personel to retire from service to continue at sea commanding ships where there are no available armed military ships in the Navy... perhaps commanding a merchant marine vessel might be an option.
Could be an option for people wanting to see the world but not want to kill people....
And by supporting Russian Naval vessels you help your country too...
I wonder if they are a separate merchant marine force you do instead of the Navy but with some of the perks so to speak or perhaps if it is a place for naval personel to retire from service to continue at sea commanding ships where there are no available armed military ships in the Navy... perhaps commanding a merchant marine vessel might be an option.
Could be an option for people wanting to see the world but not want to kill people....
And by supporting Russian Naval vessels you help your country too...
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I wasn't sure if this would be relevant in any of the existing threads, so starting a new one.
https://mashnews.ru/nevskoe-pkb-predstavilo-linejku-universalnyix-transportno-gospitalnyix-sudov.html
https://mashnews.ru/nevskoe-pkb-predstavilo-linejku-universalnyix-transportno-gospitalnyix-sudov.html
Nevskoe PKB presented a line of universal transport and hospital ships
By the beginning of 2021, the Nevsky Design Bureau prepared a line of modular universal transport and hospital vessels (UTGS). Engineers developed them on a proactive basis, a source at the United Shipbuilding Corporation told MASHNEWS. The Russian Navy is in dire need of hospital ships; the newest available was commissioned in 1990.
According to the interlocutor of the publication, the presented project is the fruit of many months of work by the NPKB in the interests of the domestic fleet.
Taking into account the strengthening of the Russian Navy's grouping in the Mediterranean and the creation of a logistics center for the fleet in Sudan, the MASHNEWS source assessed the likelihood of an early order for construction as quite high.
"The project of a universal transport and hospital ship contains all the functions necessary for carrying out humanitarian operations with the provision of high-quality medical care in any region of our country and the world that has access to the sea," said the designers of the Nevsky Design Bureau.
The engineers of the bureau applied in the project domestic serial solutions, already tested and proven in military technology.
The creators of UTGS declare a large modernization stock of the vessel. It can also be used to transport troops and provide landing forces.
Admiral of the Fleet, ex-Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy (2005-2007) Vladimir Masorin told MASHNEWS that the Russian fleet needs new hospital ships. "Those corps (project 320 - ed.), Which the Russian Navy now has, are already badly worn out. The design of such a level is carefully justified. It is necessary - therefore, it is necessary to build," the source said.
Now the Russian Navy includes three hospital ships out of four Project 320 hulls built in Poland. It was planned to build five units in total, but the last order could not be completed. The lead ship "Ob" was decommissioned in 1997.
In April-May 2020, a number of Russian design bureaus proposed projects of hospital ships to the Russian military department. In June of the same year, the issue of purchasing hospital ships was raised by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. The topic was discussed at a meeting in the government. At the same time, representatives of the Ministry of Industry and Trade recommended building hospital ships in Russia.
MASHNEWS REFERENCE:
UTGS is a universal transport and hospital ship. It is being created as a multifunctional one, capable of performing the functions of a stationary hospital, solving humanitarian problems and transporting various self-propelled vehicles and other goods in specially equipped cargo spaces.
UGTS is offered in several versions - with a ship hospital for 500 and 1000 people. In the first case, it is also possible to place troops and equipment in cargo spaces.
The displacement of the vessel is about 30 thousand tons. The area of the inpatient hospital is more than 14 thousand square meters. The crew of the ship is 60 people, the personnel of the hospital is 742 people. The power plant of the vessel is supposed to be domestic: 2 units DRRA-12000/2 units GED / 2 units of the "Azipod" type.
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These two are hospital ships from this picture so what is the white one all the way in the back that looks like passenger ship?
Or is red one logistics vessel?
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They are huge. Just compare with the size of the carrier. They almost as big.
According to the article :
Red is hospital ship. White is transport. Same class of ship.
The heli carrier isn't related to the article, owais.usmani added it by himslef wrongly IMO.
IMO they proposed also the heli cartier in a hospital ship variant because MoD expressed the need for such ships.
So you have two classes with both transport/hospital variants.
According to the article :
UTGS is a universal transport and hospital ship. It is being created as a multifunctional one, capable of performing the functions of a stationary hospital, solving humanitarian problems and transporting various self-propelled vehicles and other goods in specially equipped cargo spaces.
UGTS is offered in several versions - with a ship hospital for 500 and 1000 people. In the first case, it is also possible to place troops and equipment in cargo spaces.
Red is hospital ship. White is transport. Same class of ship.
The heli carrier isn't related to the article, owais.usmani added it by himslef wrongly IMO.
IMO they proposed also the heli cartier in a hospital ship variant because MoD expressed the need for such ships.
So you have two classes with both transport/hospital variants.
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So white one is supposed to be transport ship for combat vehicles and troops?
It looks more like cruise liner
And shouldn't those ships have some defenses installed? This one has least spare room of all five and no sensors to speak of
Unless it's supposed to do the job of Spearhead-class in USN? They are also pretty much civilian ships as well
Does Russia operate vessels with similar role now? Or is it something they plan to add?
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The red and white ships both appear to be civilian ships for transport, two helicopter carriers and a fixed wing aircraft carrier.
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They are just meant to show what it van looks like. Once ordered they will adapt it to the needs of the client (more weapons if needed)..
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The reasons ships are painted is for a few reasons.
1. To Signal this is a civilian ship.
2. white colour is the best reflector and the worst absorber of sunlight and a few other things so its a bit of a power saver.
1. To Signal this is a civilian ship.
2. white colour is the best reflector and the worst absorber of sunlight and a few other things so its a bit of a power saver.
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I would say they are made from Leader icebreaker.
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Hole wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/evwq6w10.jpg
Large ship. Bow area looks similar to Leader class (icebreakers). A LPD version would be nice.
At this size it's more feasible to just make LHDs (and they suggested as much)
This layout works as hospital ship just fine
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Specifications (via SouthFront):
Full displacement with a ship hospital for 1000 people – 29,580 tons
Full displacement with a ship’s hospital for 500 people and landing equipment in cargo spaces – 31,990 tons
Inpatient hospital area – 14,165 m2
Residential area – 3,750 m2
Provision pantry area – 2,256 m2
The personnel of the ship is 60 people.
The hospital staff is 742 people.
The personnel of the mobile hospital – 170 people.
The personnel of the transported equipment is 956 people.
GEM type 2 units DRRA-12000/2 units GED / 2 units AZIPOD
Full displacement with a ship hospital for 1000 people – 29,580 tons
Full displacement with a ship’s hospital for 500 people and landing equipment in cargo spaces – 31,990 tons
Inpatient hospital area – 14,165 m2
Residential area – 3,750 m2
Provision pantry area – 2,256 m2
The personnel of the ship is 60 people.
The hospital staff is 742 people.
The personnel of the mobile hospital – 170 people.
The personnel of the transported equipment is 956 people.
GEM type 2 units DRRA-12000/2 units GED / 2 units AZIPOD
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That can work as a civilian hospital at port when not used by the military.
That's a huge hospital. What are the westrn counterpart ?
That's a huge hospital. What are the westrn counterpart ?
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Isos wrote:That can work as a civilian hospital at port when not used by the military.
That's a huge hospital. What are the westrn counterpart ?
USNS Mercy for example but that is converted cargo ship
I don't think there was dedicated hospital ship designed from scratch in last several decades, at least not anything even approaching this size
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March 15 - 81st anniversary of the creation of the auxiliary fleet.
The head of the auxiliary fleet service of the Transport Support Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Captain 1st Rank Sergei EPIFANOV, tells about the purpose of the auxiliary fleet, its role and composition, new ships arriving and under construction to Krasnaya Zvezda.
https://khfzu4vuyk7hpcug4qipszj2j4--redstar-ru.translate.goog/v-moryah-i-okeanah-snabzhayut-vsem-neobhodimym/
March 15 - 81st anniversary of the creation of the auxiliary fleet.
The head of the auxiliary fleet service of the Transport Support Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Captain 1st Rank Sergei EPIFANOV, tells about the purpose of the auxiliary fleet, its role and composition, new ships arriving and under construction to Krasnaya Zvezda.
https://khfzu4vuyk7hpcug4qipszj2j4--redstar-ru.translate.goog/v-moryah-i-okeanah-snabzhayut-vsem-neobhodimym/
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TASS
Contract for development work on the development of an oil skimmer was signed in 2020 in the Russian Federation. This was announced by the head of the auxiliary fleet of the transport support department of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Captain I Rank Sergei Epifanov. “In 2020, five contracts were signed for the implementation of research and development work on the development of lead vessels of new projects - a small sea tanker, a universal vessel for monitoring physical fields and demagnetization, a sea tug, a passenger boat and an oil skimmer,” Epifanov said in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper »To the 81st anniversary of the creation of the auxiliary fleet. He also said that the construction of 44 supply vessels continues under 18 government contracts concluded with shipbuilding enterprises, including three medium sea tankers of project 23130.
Источник: https://kvjpze2s4om7kwnux74bfdyl7q--bastion-karpenko-ru.translate.goog/ ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko
Contract for development work on the development of an oil skimmer was signed in 2020 in the Russian Federation. This was announced by the head of the auxiliary fleet of the transport support department of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Captain I Rank Sergei Epifanov. “In 2020, five contracts were signed for the implementation of research and development work on the development of lead vessels of new projects - a small sea tanker, a universal vessel for monitoring physical fields and demagnetization, a sea tug, a passenger boat and an oil skimmer,” Epifanov said in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper »To the 81st anniversary of the creation of the auxiliary fleet. He also said that the construction of 44 supply vessels continues under 18 government contracts concluded with shipbuilding enterprises, including three medium sea tankers of project 23130.
Источник: https://kvjpze2s4om7kwnux74bfdyl7q--bastion-karpenko-ru.translate.goog/ ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko
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Tanker of project 23130 is a single-deck vessel with a double hull in the cargo area tanksable to walk in the northern latitudes. It can transfer or receive several types of liquid cargo without mooring to another vessel or ship: diesel fuel, fuel oil, kerosene, oil, water, and also accept, store, transport and transfer dry goods (food, skipper and technical property) using the traverse system transfer of goods to the sea. It can be used to eliminate emergency oil and oil product spills.
Deadweight at maximum load is about 9000 tons. The maximum length is 130 meters, the maximum width is about 21 meters, the maximum draft is about 7 meters. The maximum speed is 16 knots. Autonomy 60 days. Crew of 24 people. The cruising range is 9000 nautical miles, and one of the main tasks is the escort of aircraft carriers.
https://en.topwar.ru/180931-serija-srednih-morskih-tankerov-proekta-23130-budet-prodolzhena.html
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George1 wrote:Tanker of project 23130 is a single-deck vessel with a double hull in the cargo area tanksable to walk in the northern latitudes. It can transfer or receive several types of liquid cargo without mooring to another vessel or ship: diesel fuel, fuel oil, kerosene, oil, water, and also accept, store, transport and transfer dry goods (food, skipper and technical property) using the traverse system transfer of goods to the sea. It can be used to eliminate emergency oil and oil product spills.
Deadweight at maximum load is about 9000 tons. The maximum length is 130 meters, the maximum width is about 21 meters, the maximum draft is about 7 meters. The maximum speed is 16 knots. Autonomy 60 days. Crew of 24 people. The cruising range is 9000 nautical miles, and one of the main tasks is the escort of aircraft carriers.
https://en.topwar.ru/180931-serija-srednih-morskih-tankerov-proekta-23130-budet-prodolzhena.html
Says they will order 3 more of these
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Makes sense because they will likely order two more of the 40K ton helicopter carriers, so one vessel to support each would make sense... and lets be serious if they ever actually used them they would likely use several helicopter carriers and the Kuznetsov and cruisers and any other big ships they have in a single task force...