The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

Igor Bigdan crossed all lines in a fit of Ukraine-conscious patriotism:
Самый сок! - Куда идёт война
"The conclusion is scary: the situation will change only if the war will take a new turn, when the war will move into the territory of Russia. And if the war won't end, then it will definitely relocated, because the Ukrainians have no other choice. In a full-fledged war against Russia we lose, so the war will transition to the underground-sabotage form. And it is quite logical that Ukrainians won't carry out terror acts on roads and power stations, blowing up of homes and hospitals in Ukraine. It is impossible to recognize the Ukrainian saboteur in a crowd: unlike Chechens, we look alike, the soft "g" and "sho" can be cured by a week of training, the documents can be forged. There are so many people who are inflamed by hatred and who want to take revenge for Crimea, for Donbass, for the dead. For one, you can read our forums and facebooks, where Poroshenko is cursed for "truce". The Russians will get the motivation they are lacking from terror acts. Putin's rule started with terror acts and it will end with terror acts."

В бригаде "Призрак" судя по всему завелись хорошие полит.работники и пропагандисты, кол-во материалов резко выросло, что не может не радовать.

От народа к народу!

Украинец, да, именно ты. Хочешь в Евросоюз? Там, говорят бархатная жизнь: все четко, благоустроено и красиво, короче рай. Но у всего есть своя цена, и этот товар, поверь, тебе не по карману. И ты уже начал платить горами трупов и реками крови…
Ты в курсе, что на юго-востоке твоей страны сейчас идет страшная война на уничтожение? Там ежедневно гибнут твои соотечественники. Идет массовое убийство не только военных, чаще страдает мирное население, те люди, которые не успели убежать из зоны конфликта. Те, кто успел спастись, бежали в Россию, а не в глубь Украины. Почему так, не задумывался? А это только одна из цен прейскуранта «Хочу в Евросоюз!»

С кем воюют солдаты твоей страны? Почему они утюжат «Градами» и накрывают минометами поселки и города? Славянск, Луганск, Донецк, Счастье и многие другие населенные пункты, где под ливнями снарядов гибнет множество ни в чем не повинных женщин, детей и стариков. И это антитеррористическая операция? Что показывает твой телевизор? Знаешь ли ты, что творится на самом деле? Тебе никогда не покажут, как солдаты твоей армии целыми отрядами сдаются в плен или становятся в ряды ополчения. Почему люди из Луганска и Донецка бегут не в сторону Киева, а в Россию? Об этом СМИ громко молчат.

Правительство страны уже погрязло в кредитах, даже уши не торчат. Отдавать их нечем, об этом ты, наверное, все же знаешь. Еще немного и все твое правительство разъедется по курортам, покинув страну навсегда, оставив после себя многомиллионные долги западным странам. Чем ты будешь расплачиваться?

Тебе не понравился один президент, и ты вышел на Майдан в 2004-м году, не устроил другой - и Майдан недавно повторился. Но у руля опять бессовестные олигархи, которые не только разворовывают страну, но и посылают ребят на верную смерть, и вынуждающие убивать мирное население. На южных границах Украины, несмотря на перемирие, продолжают каждый день погибать люди – об этом же говорят СМИ, ты в курсе. А в правительстве тем временем подогреваемая западом «махновщина», исход такого руководства, увы, предсказуем.

Наши деды боролись с фашизмом в Великую Отечественную, и низвергли его. Честь им и бессмертная слава! Сегодня фашиствующие боевики «Правого сектора», казнят мирных жителей и насилуют женское население . Откуда взялись эти «недобитки»? К сожалению, воскресить победителей фашизма невозможно, может пора повторить подвиг прародителей и уничтожить эту мразь?

Вот честно, тебя устраивают стоимость валюты, цены проезда и услуг ЖКХ, которые на днях, кстати, снова взлетят? А как ты собираешься зимовать? Ты вообще в курсе что происходит? Может снова пора на главную площадь? Или как вариант, можешь прийти в ополчение, в рядах которого ты сможешь защитить своих соотечественников и установить ту власть, которую хочешь ты.

Вооруженные силы Новороссии Бригада “ПРИЗРАК”

 RUSSIA AS UNWILLING LEADER

Russia will have a leading role in building a coalition against the U.S. since it is most vulnerable and will not succeed in the ongoing confrontation without such an alliance. If Russia fails to show initiative, the anti-Russian bloc currently being created by the U.S. will absorb or neutralize Russia’s potential allies. The war against Russia the U.S. is inciting in Europe may benefit China, because the weakening of the U.S., the European Union, and Russia will make it easier for Beijing to achieve global leadership. Also, Brazil could give in to U.S. pressure and India may focus on solving its own domestic problems.

Russia has as much experience of leadership in world politics as the U.S. It has the necessary moral and cultural authority and sufficient military-technical capabilities. But Russian public opinion needs to overcome its inferiority complex, regain a sense of historical pride for the centuries of efforts to create a civilization that brought together numerous nations and cultures and which many times saved Europe and humanity from self-extermination. It needs to bring back an understanding of the historical role the Russian world played in creating a universal culture from Kievan Rus’, the spiritual heir to the Byzantine Empire, to the Russian Federation, the successor state of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire. Eurasian integration processes should be presented as a global project to restore and develop the common space of nations from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from St. Petersburg to Colombo, which for centuries lived and worked together.

arpakola wrote:The Threat of War and the Russian Response
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/the-threat-of-war-and-russian-response.html

 RUSSIA AS UNWILLING LEADER

Russia will have a leading role in building a coalition against the U.S. since it is most vulnerable and will not succeed in the ongoing confrontation without such an alliance. If Russia fails to show initiative, the anti-Russian bloc currently being created by the U.S. will absorb or neutralize Russia’s potential allies. The war against Russia the U.S. is inciting in Europe may benefit China, because the weakening of the U.S., the European Union, and Russia will make it easier for Beijing to achieve global leadership. Also, Brazil could give in to U.S. pressure and India may focus on solving its own domestic problems.

Russia has as much experience of leadership in world politics as the U.S. It has the necessary moral and cultural authority and sufficient military-technical capabilities. But Russian public opinion needs to overcome its inferiority complex, regain a sense of historical pride for the centuries of efforts to create a civilization that brought together numerous nations and cultures and which many times saved Europe and humanity from self-extermination. It needs to bring back an understanding of the historical role the Russian world played in creating a universal culture from Kievan Rus’, the spiritual heir to the Byzantine Empire, to the Russian Federation, the successor state of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire. Eurasian integration processes should be presented as a global project to restore and develop the common space of nations from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from St. Petersburg to Colombo, which for centuries lived and worked together.

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I wonder where Surkov    fits in ..

arpakola wrote:The Threat of War and the Russian Response
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/the-threat-of-war-and-russian-response.html

 RUSSIA AS UNWILLING LEADER

Russia will have a leading role in building a coalition against the U.S. since it is most vulnerable and will not succeed in the ongoing confrontation without such an alliance. If Russia fails to show initiative, the anti-Russian bloc currently being created by the U.S. will absorb or neutralize Russia’s potential allies. The war against Russia the U.S. is inciting in Europe may benefit China, because the weakening of the U.S., the European Union, and Russia will make it easier for Beijing to achieve global leadership. Also, Brazil could give in to U.S. pressure and India may focus on solving its own domestic problems.

Russia has as much experience of leadership in world politics as the U.S. It has the necessary moral and cultural authority and sufficient military-technical capabilities. But Russian public opinion needs to overcome its inferiority complex, regain a sense of historical pride for the centuries of efforts to create a civilization that brought together numerous nations and cultures and which many times saved Europe and humanity from self-extermination. It needs to bring back an understanding of the historical role the Russian world played in creating a universal culture from Kievan Rus’, the spiritual heir to the Byzantine Empire, to the Russian Federation, the successor state of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire. Eurasian integration processes should be presented as a global project to restore and develop the common space of nations from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from St. Petersburg to Colombo, which for centuries lived and worked together.

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I wonder where Surkov    fits in ..

Sergey Glazyev wrote:http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/the-threat-of-war-and-russian-response.html

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RUSSIA AS UNWILLING LEADER

Russia will have a leading role in building a coalition against the U.S. since it is most vulnerable and will not succeed in the ongoing confrontation without such an alliance.

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If Russia fails to show initiative, the anti-Russian bloc currently being created by the U.S. will absorb or neutralize Russia’s potential allies. The war against Russia the U.S. is inciting in Europe may benefit China, because the weakening of the U.S., the European Union, and Russia will make it easier for Beijing to achieve global leadership. Also, Brazil could give in to U.S. pressure and India may focus on solving its own domestic problems.

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Russia has as much experience of leadership in world politics as the U.S. It has the necessary moral and cultural authority and sufficient military-technical capabilities. But Russian public opinion needs to overcome its inferiority complex, regain a sense of historical pride for the centuries of efforts to create a civilization that brought together numerous nations and cultures and which many times saved Europe and humanity from self-extermination. It needs to bring back an understanding of the historical role the Russian world played in creating a universal culture from Kievan Rus’, the spiritual heir to the Byzantine Empire, to the Russian Federation, the successor state of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire. Eurasian integration processes should be presented as a global project to restore and develop the common space of nations from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from St. Petersburg to Colombo, which for centuries lived and worked together.

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by :Paul Craig Roberts ...

The entire world knows that if Russia had territorial ambitions, when the Russian military defeated the American trained and supplied Georgian army that attacked South Ossetia, Russia would have kept Georgia and reincorporated it within Russia where it resided for centuries.

Notice that it is not aggression when Washington bombs and invades seven countries in 13 years without a declaration of war. Aggression occurs when Russia accepts the petition of Crimeans who voted 97 percent in favor of reuniting with Russia where Crimea resided for centuries before Khrushchev attached it to the Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine in 1954 when Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country.
Who is the worst terrorist–ISIS, a group that is redrawing the artificial boundaries created by British and French colonialists, or Washington with its Wolfowitz Doctrine, the basis of US foreign policy, which declares Washington’s dominant objective to be US hegemony over the world?

ISIS is the creation of Washington. ISIS consists of the jihadists Washington used to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya and then sent to Syria to overthrow Assad. If ISIS is a “network of death,” a “brand of evil” with which negotiation is impossible as Obama declares, it is a network of death created by the Obama regime itself. If ISIS poses the threat that Obama claims, how can the regime that created the threat be credible in leading the fight against it?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

arpakola wrote:The Threat of War and the Russian Response
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/the-threat-of-war-and-russian-response.html

 RUSSIA AS UNWILLING LEADER

Russia will have a leading role in building a coalition against the U.S. since it is most vulnerable and will not succeed in the ongoing confrontation without such an alliance. If Russia fails to show initiative, the anti-Russian bloc currently being created by the U.S. will absorb or neutralize Russia’s potential allies. The war against Russia the U.S. is inciting in Europe may benefit China, because the weakening of the U.S., the European Union, and Russia will make it easier for Beijing to achieve global leadership. Also, Brazil could give in to U.S. pressure and India may focus on solving its own domestic problems.

Russia has as much experience of leadership in world politics as the U.S. It has the necessary moral and cultural authority and sufficient military-technical capabilities. But Russian public opinion needs to overcome its inferiority complex, regain a sense of historical pride for the centuries of efforts to create a civilization that brought together numerous nations and cultures and which many times saved Europe and humanity from self-extermination. It needs to bring back an understanding of the historical role the Russian world played in creating a universal culture from Kievan Rus’, the spiritual heir to the Byzantine Empire, to the Russian Federation, the successor state of the Soviet Union and the Russian Empire. Eurasian integration processes should be presented as a global project to restore and develop the common space of nations from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and from St. Petersburg to Colombo, which for centuries lived and worked together.

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I wonder where Surkov    fits in ..

Guys.

I think Vineyard of Saker is not a bad site, but this type of "analysis" can at best be described as being ambient noise. By reposting it, you are amplifying this ambient noise (at best).

It has almost as bad an effect on this forum as responding to "entities" like !!navyfield!! and !!TheGeorgian!!.

magnumcromagnon wrote:
Sergey Glazyev =/=  ambient noise. At this point he's the most sane person in the room, had Putin listened to Glazyev and not Kudrin Russia would of easily been in a far better predicament then they are today.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the freakin' hell is russia "negotiating" on making gas discounts to kiev? Haven't the galician and khazar shitheads done enough to not deserve anything  from russia? Thats the problem with russia in the last 20 years.

It keeps trying to befriend appease factions that won't be more happy than seeing russia destroyed.

flamming_python wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:Why the freakin' hell is russia "negotiating" on making gas discounts to kiev? Haven't the galician and khazar shitheads done enough to not deserve anything  from russia? Thats the problem with russia in the last 20 years.

It keeps trying to befriend appease factions that won't be more happy than seeing russia destroyed.

I agree. Russia should be extending sanctions on the Ukraine, not extending them a bone.

Petro007 wrote:Western powers must impose more sanctions on RU. They should completely block Russian banks from trading in Europe and United States, they must freeze all assets of Russian oligarchs and it must continue until Putin huylo gives us Crimea back and withdraws his rats from Donbass.