The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

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Соратник Стрелкова: Выборы в Киеве сфальсифицированы США в пользу Яценюка
Киев, Октябрь 27 (ПолитНавигатор, Виктория Литовченко) – Соратник Игоря Стрелкова, военный эксперт Анатолий Эль-Мюрид заявил, что итоги выборов были сфальсифицированы в пользу «Народного фронта» Яценюка.

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The Times quality journlism...

You should read german MSM, you see pictures from Iraq and blamed on Assad, you see pictures from Syria and blamed on Russia like downing of helicopter, you see pictures from military drills of Azerbaijan and they say russia is preparing for full scale war in Ukraine and all that crap.

Werewolf wrote:You should read german MSM, you see pictures from Iraq and blamed on Assad, you see pictures from Syria and blamed on Russia like downing of helicopter, you see pictures from military drills of Azerbaijan and they say russia is preparing for full scale war in Ukraine and all that crap.

You'd see the same crap in the US MSM... Like that (recent) time they released "photos" of "Assad's torture chambers" (not kidding).

And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

Good example is today. Stocks dropped and wanna know why? Fake news from kommerasnt about Rosneft submitting proposels to gov for sanctioms on west. Such news hit the west so investors withdrew. Now kommersant is getting sued by rosneft.

Media outlets have all become tabloids, besides ones like itar or yahoo, who just repeat the news.

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media. Stop spreading BS. If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

BS? I speak Russian I read Russian press and it's pretty much same shit
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1402183/mh17.jpg

I would rather watch what Rebels and their commanders say than believe what media writes. Shariy is one exception.

So you link a none russian site? Use a .ru

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/2014/10/30/04-01-30pm/thriving_economy_will_give_russia_respect_it_deserves

Anti-American litanies and a Herculean—or Sisyphean—toil of getting one’s message across to a largely unsympathetic Western public will not help.

What Russia needs today is a new national elite based on meritocracy and devotion to the country and its people, not proximity to a leader or membership in particular clans; it needs fair and transparent rules of the game inside the country, based on the rule of law and backed by independent courts and a professional law-enforcement apparatus, from which corruption is expunged; it needs de-monopolization of the Russian economy, with streamlining of profligate and inefficient state corporations and support for responsible private business at all levels; it needs a modern science/technology/education complex; and it needs a modern administrative system accountable to the public. Without any of this, Russia will squander its resources and ultimately lose its cherished independence: to China, if not to America.

arpakola wrote:http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/2014/10/30/04-01-30pm/thriving_economy_will_give_russia_respect_it_deserves

Anti-American litanies and a Herculean—or Sisyphean—toil of getting one’s message across to a largely unsympathetic Western public will not help.

What Russia needs today is a new national elite based on meritocracy and devotion to the country and its people, not proximity to a leader or membership in particular clans; it needs fair and transparent rules of the game inside the country, based on the rule of law and backed by independent courts and a professional law-enforcement apparatus, from which corruption is expunged; it needs de-monopolization of the Russian economy, with streamlining of profligate and inefficient state corporations and support for responsible private business at all levels; it needs a modern science/technology/education complex; and it needs a modern administrative system accountable to the public. Without any of this, Russia will squander its resources and ultimately lose its cherished independence: to China, if not to America.

Some good ideas in the mix there, but spoiled by the putrid stink of privatization orthodoxy as preached by the High Priests of Washington. State Capitalism in the hands of Eurasian powers is what scares the excrement out of the West and its parasitical Ultra-Wealthy Ruling Classes, and that is what Russia & China both need to pursue. Utilize modern & efficient business practices to harness natural resources and energy, generate exports and economic growth, but use public funds and maintain public ownership. Government rakes in the proceeds and both re-invests and spends in the local economy on infrastructure and stimulus projects to get the cash in the pockets of the people and generate growth in domestically satisfied demand. What is the point of having well-run productive and efficient industries if the gains are privatized and end up in the already deep pockets of the investor classes?

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

You are consistently full of shit. I spent many months in Russia this year, particularly around the time of the Crimean annexation, through MH17 and up to the major rebel offensives. What I saw and hear on TV/radio and the "typical" persons reaction to it was appalling.

Do tell us of your first hand experience with Russian media coverage.

Russian media (some opposition stations aside) is even more single-minded than the big Western stations. That is an accomplishment.

I also spent plenty of time in Western Europe and the US this year, so there was plenty of chance for comparison.

TR1 wrote:

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

You are consistently full of shit. I spent many months in Russia this year, particularly around the time of the Crimean annexation, through MH17 and up to the major rebel offensives. What I saw and hear on TV/radio and the "typical" persons reaction to it was appalling.

Do tell us of your first hand experience with Russian media coverage.

Russian media (some opposition stations aside) is even more single-minded than the big Western stations. That is an accomplishment.

I also spent plenty of time in Western Europe and the US this year, so there was plenty of chance for comparison.

I agree that the Russian media is biased at times, but as biased as the US MSM? For crying out loud, every article they post is something like "Russia sends fighter planes; new Cold War?" or "Pariah Putin rattles his sabers yet again" etc. They are even blaming the recent Antares rocket fault on the "Russian engines", because they sooooo weren't rebuilt multiple times and given new parts here in the US. 

They make Putin look like the "villian" that wants to take all of Europe, and then the world. They call anyone who defends him an accomplice, despite their ((often times) Western origins. It is maddening, to say the very least!

 - Even car blogs here are biased, with one claiming that "Putin is (once again) threatening the West and "rattling his sabers". It is absolutely ridiculous, and to think that people actually believe this crap.... 

Lol, the Western MSM is now claiming that the recent Bulava launch was nothing more than a threat. What idiots!

TR1 wrote:

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

You are consistently full of shit. I spent many months in Russia this year, particularly around the time of the Crimean annexation, through MH17 and up to the major rebel offensives. What I saw and hear on TV/radio and the "typical" persons reaction to it was appalling.

Do tell us of your first hand experience with Russian media coverage.

Russian media (some opposition stations aside) is even more single-minded than the big Western stations. That is an accomplishment.

I also spent plenty of time in Western Europe and the US this year, so there was plenty of chance for comparison.

.............and one of your relatives has also this supercar BMW X3.
Oh boy American dream is alive and well!!!

Mike E wrote:

TR1 wrote:

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

You are consistently full of shit. I spent many months in Russia this year, particularly around the time of the Crimean annexation, through MH17 and up to the major rebel offensives. What I saw and hear on TV/radio and the "typical" persons reaction to it was appalling.

Do tell us of your first hand experience with Russian media coverage.

Russian media (some opposition stations aside) is even more single-minded than the big Western stations. That is an accomplishment.

I also spent plenty of time in Western Europe and the US this year, so there was plenty of chance for comparison.

I agree that the Russian media is biased at times, but as biased as the US MSM? For crying out loud, every article they post is something like "Russia sends fighter planes; new Cold War?" or "Pariah Putin rattles his sabers yet again" etc. They are even blaming the recent Antares rocket fault on the "Russian engines", because they sooooo weren't rebuilt multiple times and given new parts here in the US. 

They make Putin look like the "villian" that wants to take all of Europe, and then the world. They call anyone who defends him an accomplice, despite their ((often times) Western origins. It is maddening, to say the very least!

 - Even car blogs here are biased, with one claiming that "Putin is (once again) threatening the West and "rattling his sabers". It is absolutely ridiculous, and to think that people actually believe this crap.... 

Lol, the Western MSM is now claiming that the recent Bulava launch was nothing more than a threat. What idiots!

Yes their panic mongering is annoying, but here is an example of a typical Russian news report from a few months back in:

"Ukranian mercenaries break into houses, witnesses saw them shoot 3 infant children".

I am not exaggerating.

Dumb and Dumber.

Hannibal Barca wrote:

TR1 wrote:

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

You are consistently full of shit. I spent many months in Russia this year, particularly around the time of the Crimean annexation, through MH17 and up to the major rebel offensives. What I saw and hear on TV/radio and the "typical" persons reaction to it was appalling.

Do tell us of your first hand experience with Russian media coverage.

Russian media (some opposition stations aside) is even more single-minded than the big Western stations. That is an accomplishment.

I also spent plenty of time in Western Europe and the US this year, so there was plenty of chance for comparison.

.............and one of your relatives has also this supercar BMW X3.
Oh boy American dream is alive and well!!!

Mad that the entirety of Greece can't even afford an X3.

I dunno about what is being exactly said but if Russian news is anything like Itar Tass and Ria, I would say they are pretty objective as it seems to quote both sides. News in Canada, you get similar with independent CBC coverage and sometimes CTV. Others seem appauling to me.

TR1 wrote:

Mike E wrote:

TR1 wrote:

kvs wrote:

Regular wrote:And in Russian media its different? you can see pictures of MH17 victims in the article about mass graves left by UA. Haha medias suck dick on both sides. You have to be careful not to drown in the shit river of propaganda and desinformation when following this conflict. Remember when everyone was quating Strelkov fakes, especially pro russian media.
Quality of media dropped so low and to have basic understanding you have to be sceptical and analytical, not to mention and have multiple sources of information.
Most people don't have time or interest to dig deeper and so they are zombified or become apathic

There is no symmetry whatsoever between the Russian media and the western media.   Stop spreading BS.  If you have examples of
your claims, then post them.

You are consistently full of shit. I spent many months in Russia this year, particularly around the time of the Crimean annexation, through MH17 and up to the major rebel offensives. What I saw and hear on TV/radio and the "typical" persons reaction to it was appalling.

Do tell us of your first hand experience with Russian media coverage.

Russian media (some opposition stations aside) is even more single-minded than the big Western stations. That is an accomplishment.

I also spent plenty of time in Western Europe and the US this year, so there was plenty of chance for comparison.

I agree that the Russian media is biased at times, but as biased as the US MSM? For crying out loud, every article they post is something like "Russia sends fighter planes; new Cold War?" or "Pariah Putin rattles his sabers yet again" etc. They are even blaming the recent Antares rocket fault on the "Russian engines", because they sooooo weren't rebuilt multiple times and given new parts here in the US. 

They make Putin look like the "villian" that wants to take all of Europe, and then the world. They call anyone who defends him an accomplice, despite their ((often times) Western origins. It is maddening, to say the very least!

 - Even car blogs here are biased, with one claiming that "Putin is (once again) threatening the West and "rattling his sabers". It is absolutely ridiculous, and to think that people actually believe this crap.... 

Lol, the Western MSM is now claiming that the recent Bulava launch was nothing more than a threat. What idiots!

Yes their panic mongering is annoying, but here is an example of a typical Russian news report from a few months back in:

"Ukranian mercenaries break into houses, witnesses saw them shoot 3 infant children".

I am not exaggerating.

Dumb and Dumber.

I've seen far worse here in MURICA'... IMHO, the Russian media reports better content because they actually *investigate*... - While the US MSM just repeats what ever the white House says, with a little extra influence from the elite in there as well. I can imagine it is just as bad in the rest if the West... 

"Dumb (media in general), dumber (Russian media), and dumbest (US MSM)... There, you happy?

Like when cnn placed egypt somewhere in Jordan or the fox report where the reporter couldnt show where the US base in Afghanistan was, so he drew a map of it in the sand?
Lol.

By sounds of things, doom and gloom sells well in Russia cause that is all media that I read from there is like.

Anyone trying to claim that the western coverage of the Ukrainian conflict is no worse than the Russian one is
either lying or totally clueless. It has been routine in the western media to repeat the claims by the Kiev regime
almost verbatim. Of course they do not repeat the obvious insanity such as the claim that Russia used tactical
nukes near Lugansk, but all claims of GRU and Russian regular army fighting in the Donbas has been treated as
fact. The BBC reproduced the military maps put out by the SBU as if they were factual. This was especially
funny when the first aid convoy reached Lugansk supposedly through Kiev regime controlled territory, because
according to the regime and its western media echo chamber, Lugansk was surrounded.

The Russian media actually has reporters on the front lines and reports the fact that the regime is routinely
shelling civilian targets. According to Kiev and the western media, these are all false flag attacks by the rebels
on themselves.

According the western media and "human rights" groups the mass graves dug up recently on land liberated from
regime control don't really exist. It must have been my lying eyes confusing me watching the videos posted
on youtube showing the blackened not fully decomposed corpses being unearthed. A large number of them
clearly female and with their hands bound. Surely this must be all one big hoax.

You see, when the information is not favourable to the west it is a conspiracy theory or false flag. But never the
other way around. Remember Racak in Kosovo? Those bodies of Albanian males of fighting age and a couple
of women supposedly shot in a ditch? It was clear that they were placed there in a staged scene since there
was no blood soaking the ground. But Racak was used by NATO to screw over Serbia at the UN. The mass
graves of civilians left behind by Kiev regime forces are not even an issue.

So spare the retarded drivel about the Russian media distorting the facts no less than the western media.
The western media is a self-evident propaganda chorus. It broadcasts the exact same stories with the
exact same spin. There is no way this could be possible if there was no information sorting bottleneck and
the western media was truly independent.

Meanwhile in Russia you have gazeta.ru, ng.ru, RTV, Kommersant, Moscow Times, St. Petersburg Times and many
other media that openly push the NATO media narratives. I have watched the Russian TV coverage of Ukraine
and it fits well with alternative media sources. That is, it is close to the truth. There is no reason for Russia
to spew hate propaganda against Ukraine since Ukrainians are brothers (Banderites are not all or even most of
Ukraine, that is why they had to grab power by a US backed coup). The western media spews hate propaganda
against Russia and deliberately avoids covering Kiev's war crimes and massive human rights abuses.

there is nothing more disgusting than opossitional media.. Russian one is just filled with self hatred. Can't we just agree that media sucks thats why we are on internet and trying to follow this conflict by reading multiple sources? Both sides are screaming about mass graves, children being crusified, tortured and yada yada.. Meh fuck it

Regular wrote:there is nothing more disgusting than opossitional media.. Russian one is just filled with self hatred. Can't we just agree that media sucks thats why we are on internet and trying to follow this conflict by reading multiple sources? Both sides are screaming about mass graves, children being crusified, tortured and yada yada.. Meh fuck it

Im ok with that. I am full aware bs exists everywhere.

Regular wrote:there is nothing more disgusting than opossitional media.. Russian one is just filled with self hatred. Can't we just agree that media sucks thats why we are on internet and trying to follow this conflict by reading multiple sources? Both sides are screaming about mass graves, children being crusified, tortured and yada yada.. Meh fuck it

It's not safe hatred it is western operated "russian news".
Go and find out that over 400 so called russian "news agencies" are actually financed from US/Israel/UK,France and some other countries.

First always check those "agencies" before labeling them russian, after fall of USSR the US has set up after 3 month several news agencies and NGO's in russia, for obvious purposes.

I know. Dozhd tv is so disgusting. It makes life so hard for genuine people in opposition. The one that critics not to damage, but to improve.
There is Israeli ITON tv channel and it's in russian language and they were sometimes critical towards Russia and Putin. But suddenly they started to have shows were Ukraine was portrayed as an agressor and not Russia. They even have regular guest Yaakov Kedmi ex mossad agent were he basically praises Putin for his brilliance. And it so clashes with Russian opposition TVs who has NOTHING possitive to say and only portray gloom and doom, don't know why they even allowed to operate in Russia. They are not doing investigative journalism like it was popular back even in Yeltzin.
Sorry for my rant.

Regular wrote:I know. Dozhd tv is so disgusting. It makes life so hard for genuine people in opposition. The one that critics not to damage, but to improve.
There is Israeli ITON tv channel and it's in russian language  and they were sometimes critical towards Russia and Putin. But suddenly they started to have shows were Ukraine was portrayed as an agressor and not Russia. They even have regular guest Yaakov Kedmi ex mossad agent were he basically praises Putin for his brilliance. And it so clashes with Russian opposition TVs who has NOTHING possitive to say and only portray gloom and doom, don't know why they even allowed to operate in Russia. They are not doing investigative journalism like it was popular back even in Yeltzin.
Sorry for my rant.

Rant? That was no rant but a very defensible observation. Only 5th-columnist quislings will pockets full of Western cash would think otherwise.

Regular wrote:I know. Dozhd tv is so disgusting. It makes life so hard for genuine people in opposition. The one that critics not to damage, but to improve.
There is Israeli ITON tv channel and it's in russian language  and they were sometimes critical towards Russia and Putin. But suddenly they started to have shows were Ukraine was portrayed as an agressor and not Russia. They even have regular guest Yaakov Kedmi ex mossad agent were he basically praises Putin for his brilliance. And it so clashes with Russian opposition TVs who has NOTHING possitive to say and only portray gloom and doom, don't know why they even allowed to operate in Russia. They are not doing investigative journalism like it was popular back even in Yeltzin.
Sorry for my rant.

The press is still in the hands of a few people. Dozhd tv just does a little trick called association. They are hard to watch and disgusting so people discard everything they say as bogus. So when they suddenly tell the truth people think it is really the opposite or wave it away as nonsense since it's from dozdh. Yes, the press will bamboozle the public so hard it won't know whether it is coming or going.