The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

Regular wrote:
Mixing countries. Nazis are not loved here. Nazis had no love for us too. Plus my nationality doesn't make any difference, my hated president is in charge so how does that equal me with a country?

You tell me with your phrase "NAzism is in your blood" crap talk? I didn't attack you but your country which indeed has nazi nostalgia and sympathy.

attacked their own hospital?

Yes, their "own" hospital, like fucking Turkey attacked themselfs to blame Syria for it, like US attacked themselfs to blame Afghanistan. That is called a false flag like the fucking MH-17, it is as old as humanity to frame someone.

It is even dubious that Mariopol or Odessa suppossedly got hit by "Seperatists" which is quite far away from their controlled positions.

"like US attacked themselfs to blame Afghanistan"


Hhhahahahaa.

You tell me with your phrase "NAzism is in your blood" crap talk?

I am ze funny. You started foaming about nazis first. What does my ethnicity has to with it?

I didn't attack you but your country which indeed has nazi nostalgia and sympathy.

So I didn't insult You, You seem to be well informed guy in other threads and I do have nothing against any of You.
I don't give a crap about what You think about my country, for me it's a country I love and hate in same time and I had enough of turning red from shame when my country does something so stupid.

My country has severe case of retarditis, but no nazi nostalgia is present. Believe me. You are mixing countries. There are 3 small countries, but in my country You can hardly find nazist symphaty, well only among marginals, but SURPRISE, most of them support Russia as it shares same views about gheys and conservatism. In political life NAZISM would be a blessing to what it is now, it's incompetence and cleptocracy. Most of politicians are ex commies. Look at our president, KGB reservist with commie haircut.

Yes, their "own" hospital, like fucking Turkey attacked themselfs to blame Syria for it, like US attacked themselfs to blame Afghanistan. That is called a false flag like the fucking MH-17, it is as old as humanity to frame someone.

There were no casualties, but electrical generator was damaged. Plus it's small time event. What did Ukraine achieve by this?

It is even dubious that Mariopol or Odessa suppossedly got hit by "Seperatists" which is quite far away from their controlled positions.

They were very close to Mariopol. Odessa wasn't hit by seps.

There were no casualties, but electrical generator was damaged. Plus it's small time event. What did Ukraine achieve by this?

Isn't that obvious?

Frame the seps by shelling of other parts of eastern ukraine that may have sympathy towards novorussia or are disgust by the current nazi vassal of the US, that are indiscrimantley shelling fellow russians, to divide them against each other since that is the plan all along the entire Ukraine is the proof for this divide et impera strategy.

Whenever i see the so called "Evidence" of Russian Invasion.. of "Captured Russian T-72b3 tank is debunked in no
time.. LOL

check the next video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMJgPZv5Ek

Listen what an American tank enthusiast say about the tank..

@Steve Arthur1 week ago

That is NOT a Russian T-72B3! The B3 has the SOSNA-U,weapons sight,whatever this is,it is NOT Russian!!!!
It is a UKRAINIAN T-72AG with the silly skirts below the Kontakt 5 removed! Why did they not show pictures of the build number on the tanks?! As for the Kornet,   for some reason Wiki has deleted the section that says Ukraine has them...  

So you have there a perfect example of the millions i have seen of the so called "Russian invasion evidence"
Debunked in no time.. For NATO it will be perfectly profitable politically wise , to give ukraine T-72s tanks from all Europe that Russia sold..but specially modified by them to look like the Russian T-72b3s and even france supply Thermals for the only purpose to blame Russia of an invasion or a false flag incident they were hoping to create if Russia invaded. The Russia food is also by the way supplied by Russia to all Refugees and even to Ukrainian soldiers  who surrender and cross to Russia.  

Not even Crimea have T-72b3s.. that Russia sent a hundred of T-72s there some time ago.. why would Russia ,that clearly have no interest in more sanctions from europe and that do not want to leave any trace of their participation in giving tanks to the rebels.. supply the Rebels with T-72b3 and all their best technology ,so that later the rebels or who ever capture them will have conclusive evidence of Russia participation of arming the Rebels with tanks and justify Europe more sanctions?   but not only that , also allow NATO to fully understand the capabilities of Russia T-72b3 so that later Russia will be at disadvantage of allowing NATO to fully understand Russia weakness?

TR1 believe "because they are morons" .. i don't think so.. i think you are all duped into the propaganda information war ..that NATO is fully capable of doing. I have seen the so called T-72s clones with the double white lines painted that only the kiev army use. Isn't that interesting.. that Kiev nazis when capture a "Russian advanced Tank".. instead of sending it to Kiev for investigation ,reverse engineer it etc..  They return with the tank to the front line..
That absolutely makes no sense.. They could take the reactive armor and study it or fully analize the armor to see  what modifications it have ,the Russia domestic version.. but no.. the few tanks we have seen all are quickly re-used in the front line and now even the Rebels show them with their own cameras.. clear indication Russia Army is not there other wise they will have asked them to hide the tank.. not to show it.  Non Sense the Russia tank invasion.

Here is the tank in question ,A T-72ag that Ukraine can make ..and everyone claim is Russian..

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/t-72-ag-pics.htm

The one we see in Ukraine is a T-72ag modification to look like the B3. The french optics given by france .
This is very classical NATO+Ukraine operation to modify their tanks to made it look like made by Russia..
so later they could stage a massacre against civilians and blame Russia for it or simply use it as "evidence" of Russia invasion.   Could it be possible that Russia by mistake sent the wrong tanks to Ukraine? sure.. but very very unlikely , they are not idiots. They fully understand the field day that western media can make if they give weapons to Ukraine that only them can produce. So very very unlikely Russia Government lost their brains and made it easy for the west to do their propaganda.

SO now you are quoting an American tank enthusiast, over the premier Russian armor forum, Otvaga 2004.


The Sosna-U is there for all to see.
Yes, even in the video you linked.


T-72AG looks nothing like B3, stop BSing. There is a huge list of easily noticeable differences.
The preponderance of evidence is on the side of it being a T-72B3, not another tank, and certainly not some absurd story about it being a decoy T-72B3 made by France and Ukraine and Belarus together.

TR1 wrote:SO now you are quoting an American tank enthusiast, over the premier Russian armor forum, Otvaga 2004.


The Sosna-U is there for all to see.
Yes, even in the video you linked.


T-72AG looks nothing like B3, stop BSing. There is a huge list of easily noticeable differences.
The preponderance of evidence is on the side of it being a T-72B3, not another tank, and certainly not some absurd story about it being a decoy T-72B3 made by France and Ukraine and Belarus together.

Sorry TR1 i don't think so.. i don't believe Russia government will send weapons to the Rebels that could make it easy for kiev to proof they helping them.. Even less a Tank their own Army do not have in enough numbers. Ukraine with the help of NATO and France is perfectly capable of producing any T-72 model Russia have at least on appearance.
Pretty certain they could do a clone is not rocket science.

here is what an american with brains will say to you.. from the youtube video..
hope you learn something from him.

How hard do you think it is to get Russian military rations?
The whole thing stinks of a set up. Why would the Russians send tanks to the rebels that they have only just started receiving themselves?
Think about it, if they want to send tanks, they have 1,000s of surplus T-64 and T-72 tanks, why send one of their newest models?!
All you have to do, is pause this video at 2:06 to see that this is clearly NOT a Russian T-72B3.
If it was a Russian B series, why has no one taken a single photo of the build number?
All the US / EU would need to do is take some images of the build number with the " B " in it, to prove beyond a doubt that it is Russian, it is not hard to find, stamped on the side of the hull....
The reason they can't, is because it is UKRAINIAN, NOT Russian!
Also, contrary to popular belief, Russian troops are trained, like all Western armies to take or destroy anything that could identify their presence. That includes ration packs, sweet wrappers ect...  

and you can buy in EBAY the russian military food..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-Army-MILITARY-MRE-DAILY-FOOD-RATION-PACK-Emergency-Food-/221601927042?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3398810f82

albeit you didn't mentioned that.. just in case.
Sane people say is a setup.. it can't be real or logical for Russia to send their latest T-72B3 tanks ,when not even in Crimea they sent those..  The more logical thing if Russia wanted to help will have been to send a T-72 from another configuration or tanks that looks like T-80s like the ones Ukraine have. I don't think they failed the Intelligence test.. i think is on your side the problem and many others the problem...

And the best for the last.. specially for you TR1..

Who told you that Ukraine does not have T-72b3 clones? Take a closer look
a destroyed tank of Ukraine army... by Pro Russian rebels..

The reports comes from reuters not Russian propaganda... as you call it..

Pro-Russian rebels stand near a burnt-out Ukrainian tank outside the destroyed airport in Luhanks, eastern Ukraine, September 14, 2014.

Also it looks like also have the traditional double white lines in the front.. that Ukie army usually use to indentify their tanks.  You were one that was claiming ukies does not have t-72 tanks.  

https://twitter.com/AlouisWeishaupt/status/511206203075358720

By another media RT-Ruptly released one time a media of a novorosiya rebels ambush to ukraine army..
guess which tank the nazis were using?



And how about this one in ukraine?



Notice the double white lines that only kiev use? I think it was you that used that photo as "proof" Russia invaded.  

So again and again and again ,full evidence on different media that is the Ukraine nazis the ones that are being ambushed while using what looks to be T-72b3 tanks.. Its pretty conclusive the Pro Kiev forces have been supplied
by T-72s.. check.. and that they also look like B3's.. Check.. Simply TR1 ,you have been duped by the information war. Russia have sent no B3's to Ukraine. All those tanks comes from Ukraine.

Regular wrote:So I didn't insult You, You seem to be well informed guy in other threads and I do have nothing against any of You.
I don't give a crap about what You think about my country, for me it's a country I love and hate in same time and I had enough of turning red from shame when my country does something so stupid.

My country has severe case of retarditis, but no nazi nostalgia is present. Believe me. You are mixing countries. There are 3 small countries, but in my country You can hardly find nazist symphaty, well only among marginals, but SURPRISE, most of them support Russia as it shares same views about gheys and conservatism. In political life NAZISM would be a blessing to what it is now, it's incompetence and cleptocracy. Most of politicians are ex commies. Look at our president, KGB reservist with commie haircut.

Well, actually...
There is this lithuanian national socialist party, aka conservatives  
Don't forget a bit of revisionism too, like "the oldest language in the world" crap.

@TR1, Regular: if you want to make a clone with similar appearance, and appearance only, it is not extremely hard to do. Especially when Ukrainia and Russia have a great share of T-72 and T-80 techs.

If Kyiv want to mimic the apperance of T-72B3, can they do it ? Yes they can. Convert the T-72xx to have the outer appearance of T-72yy is not something very hard to do.

And from the Russian side, it is unreasonable to say that there is something looks like Russian T-72B3... because it is exclusively made by Russia, for Russia, and if Russia wants to sent tanks to Donbass they have to make it looks like Ukrainian versions. They cannot sent a tank which the Western media can easily recoginize that "I can clearly see it as a Russian one, nothing else".

If Russia really want to sent a T-72B3, they will make it looks very similar to Ukrainian T-72, or even T-64, and us people of internet amateur generals cannot easily detected it. I will say it again, Russia is not too stupid to sent a tank which the West can easily say "hey, it is clearly from Russia, not from Ukrainia, not from other countries".

A claim of Russian T-64 makes more sense than T-72B3.

Even if Russia is supplying the rebels T-72B3 and T-72BM tanks. SO F*CKING WHAT? Note how TR1 and the rest of the NATO lover crew could
give a flying f*ck about civilian victims of the Kiev regime and only care about repeating the NATO propaganda narratives.

For all you NATO parrots, where were the T-72B3 and T-72BM tanks back in March of 2014? You claim Russia instigated the conflict, so put
up or shut up. If you have Russia by the short and curlies with your "evidence", then go ahead and bomb it or something. You are ridiculous
with your repetition of Kiev regime inanity that Russian forces are fighting the nazional guard incompetents and cannot drive them all the way
to Kiev. There is more than enough video on youtube showing the performance of the regime paramilitaries. They are only good for producing
mass graves full of civilians.

That's right, mass graves full of civilians. Video of the blackened corpses being dug up from these graves with their hands bound have
been posted on youtube. But you f*cks have not posted a single shred of evidence of the Russian Army in the Donbas.

BTW, Russia scraped its stock of T-64s years ago and there were plenty of Ukrainian T-64s in rebel controlled territory.

Can we please stop this T-72B3 and BTR-82 arguments as proof of Russian Army involvement. These weapons prove only that Russian Army has supplied rebels, they don't prove Russian Army or troop involvement.

Secondly, Russians are not hiding (or at least no longer trying to hide) that they are supplying rebels. Everybody knows about voentorg.

By the way, the West has placed sanctions before any T-72B3 and BTR-82A were seen.

Russians can send in T-90s or the prototype Armatas if they want to, it won't change anything on the political landscape.

Two things are clear:
1. The West will keep the sanctions on irrespective of voentorg.
2. Russia will keep the voentorg irrespective of sanctions.

Stop wasting your time with unnecessary arguments.

kvs wrote:Even if Russia is supplying the rebels T-72B3 and T-72BM tanks.   SO F*CKING WHAT?   Note how TR1 and the rest of the NATO lover crew could
give a flying f*ck about civilian victims of the Kiev regime and only care about repeating the NATO propaganda narratives.  

For all you NATO parrots, where were the T-72B3 and T-72BM tanks back in March of 2014?   You claim Russia instigated the conflict, so put
up or shut up.   If you have Russia by the short and curlies with your "evidence", then go ahead and bomb it or something.   You are ridiculous
with your repetition of Kiev regime inanity that Russian forces are fighting the nazional guard incompetents and cannot drive them all the way
to Kiev.   There is more than enough video on youtube showing the performance of the regime paramilitaries.  They are only good for producing
mass graves full of civilians.

That's right, mass graves full of civilians.   Video of the blackened corpses being dug up from these graves with their hands bound have
been posted on youtube.  But you f*cks have not posted a single shred of evidence of the Russian Army in the Donbas.

BTW, Russia scraped its stock of T-64s years ago and there were plenty of Ukrainian T-64s in rebel controlled territory.

x2

Instead of worrying what some members think about some equipment Russia is giving, maybe we should be worrying on what is actually happening.

TheArmenian wrote:Can we please stop this T-72B3 and BTR-82 arguments as proof of Russian Army involvement. These weapons prove only that Russian Army has supplied rebels, they don't prove Russian Army or troop involvement.

No it doesn't proof anything.
The arguments will continue until people like you or anyone continue saying those T-72's in Ukraine that looks like B3s are "proof" of anything.. When Ukraine with the help of NATO and France with the hundreds of T-72s that exist in all Europe from NATO nations could easily modify them.. if they wanted it. .no problem.  The fact that the nazis in Ukraine have been caught many times ,more than the rebels using them.. and tanks that does not look brand new but more like modifications, suggest completely the opposite.. So we can all let the entire argument of "Russia" is sending T72-b3s to Ukraine.. there is NOT any conclusive strong evidence about that.. All the evidence ,vast majority of it.. strongly suggest that Ukraine have them and that the Nazis are using them.  Had Kiev captured a Russian Only tank as proof of their invasion.. they will have show it on Kiev central plaza with Poroshenko showing the world the evidence.. with the serial numbers of the tank..but that never have happened.. instead what we see.. is that the so called "Russian tanks" when kiev "Capture them" almost without any damage.. as soon they captured they are send to the front line to fight again.. The previous T-72 images proof beyond any doubt.. that Ukraine nazis are Using what looks like T-72b3s and in different configurations..in combat.. The tanks neither look like factory brand new made..like the ones Russia show in expos.. but used ones.. or upgrades. from where they got them? is the question ...but the available information strongly suggest comes from kiev not Russia.

I neither think Russia wants on purpose to give technology that could easily NATO use to expose them or worse reverse engineer?.. if Russia wanted to show they are helping.. why not then give the rebels T-90A tanks? Im sure Russia do have a lot of game changing weapons they can give the rebels.. how about Tornado artillery or TOS-1?  How about Pantsirs? Why not give the Rebels S-300s and iskander missiles?  Of because they don't want to be caught.. but if Russia don't want to be caught then why people says they send tanks that only Russia produce. ohh because Russia wants to be caught or because they lack of intelligence.. LOL   So Russia do not care to hide their help? but they care to hide their help?  is that the logic ?  which one it is? can't be both at the same time. Either Russia do not care about being exposed they helping with weapons the rebels or Russia care to hide their help..  

No one yet have been able to answer also the most simple question .. Why Russia will send a T-72b3 tank that they are just recently upgrading and have in very limited numbers and not a Regular T-72 with upgrades that could be equally effective but much cheaper?

I do believe Russia Government is much clever than the people in this forum think and that they really care about european sanctions ,it hurts their economy..So they will do everything to avoid giving an excuse to Europe to claim Russia is fueling the conflict and hide their help..That they will never send technology that could very easily expose them or that NATO/Ukraine could reverse engineer it..  thats logical thinking .. anything else is plain stupidity only trusting in images and videos but completely ignoring how easy it could be for the west and Ukraine to reproduce many of Russian military equipment. At least in appearance that is.. that is all that is required to blame Russia for anything.

Vann7 wrote:
And the best for the last.. specially for you TR1..

Who told you that Ukraine does not have T-72b3 clones? Take a closer look
a destroyed tank of Ukraine army... by Pro Russian rebels..

The reports comes from reuters not Russian propaganda... as you call it..

Pro-Russian rebels stand near a burnt-out Ukrainian tank outside the destroyed airport in Luhanks, eastern Ukraine, September 14, 2014.

Also it looks like also have the traditional double white lines in the front.. that Ukie army usually use to indentify their tanks.  You were one that was claiming ukies does not have t-72 tanks.  

https://twitter.com/AlouisWeishaupt/status/511206203075358720

By another media RT-Ruptly released one time a media of a novorosiya rebels ambush to ukraine army..
guess which tank the nazis were using?



And how about this one in ukraine?



Notice the double white lines that only kiev use? I think it was you that used that photo as "proof" Russia invaded.  

So again and again and again ,full evidence on different media that is the Ukraine nazis the ones that are being ambushed while using what looks to be T-72b3 tanks.. Its pretty conclusive the Pro Kiev forces have been supplied
by T-72s.. check.. and that they also look like B3's.. Check.. Simply TR1 ,you have been duped by the information war. Russia have sent no B3's to Ukraine. All those tanks comes from Ukraine.

Christ, this is embarrassing. For you.

That Rueters tank is a Bulat. You dont even know what that is, do you?

That destroyed turret? You are aware rebels have lost vehicles? That was one of theirs destroyed in the fighting.

The one with the stripes is a B3 captured by the Ukranians after it was abandoned. It was later destroyed, or recaptured.

Once again, you don't know anything about tanks. Done wasting my time with dolts.

TR1 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
And the best for the last.. specially for you TR1..

Who told you that Ukraine does not have T-72b3 clones? Take a closer look
a destroyed tank of Ukraine army... by Pro Russian rebels..

The reports comes from reuters not Russian propaganda... as you call it..

Pro-Russian rebels stand near a burnt-out Ukrainian tank outside the destroyed airport in Luhanks, eastern Ukraine, September 14, 2014.

Also it looks like also have the traditional double white lines in the front.. that Ukie army usually use to indentify their tanks.  You were one that was claiming ukies does not have t-72 tanks.  

https://twitter.com/AlouisWeishaupt/status/511206203075358720

By another media RT-Ruptly released one time a media of a novorosiya rebels ambush to ukraine army..
guess which tank the nazis were using?



And how about this one in ukraine?



Notice the double white lines that only kiev use? I think it was you that used that photo as "proof" Russia invaded.  

So again and again and again ,full evidence on different media that is the Ukraine nazis the ones that are being ambushed while using what looks to be T-72b3 tanks.. Its pretty conclusive the Pro Kiev forces have been supplied
by T-72s.. check.. and that they also look like B3's.. Check.. Simply TR1 ,you have been duped by the information war. Russia have sent no B3's to Ukraine. All those tanks comes from Ukraine.

Christ, this is embarrassing. For you.

That Rueters tank is a Bulat. You dont even know what that is, do you?

That destroyed turret? You are aware rebels have lost vehicles? That was one of theirs destroyed in the fighting.

The one with the stripes is a B3 captured by the Ukranians after it was abandoned. It was later destroyed, or recaptured.

Once again, you don't know anything about tanks. Done wasting my time with dolts.

Can you please provide the link to this info?

As well, why the hell are we still talking about this?

TheArmenian wrote:
Two things are clear:
1. The West will keep the sanctions on irrespective of voentorg.
2. Russia will keep the voentorg irrespective of sanctions.

Yes and yes. Sanctions will be pushed even if Russia backs down.

sepheronx wrote:

As well, why the hell are we still talking about this?

I think it's time to stop as we are getting personal for no reason.
And links, I'm too tired to dig for them i will leave for TR1 if You are really interested check
http://lostarmour.info/armour/
481 destroyed vehicles. How many of the are not recorded? Vast majority of losses are Ukrainian.

Regular wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:
Two things are clear:
1. The West will keep the sanctions on irrespective of voentorg.
2. Russia will keep the voentorg irrespective of sanctions.

Yes and yes. Sanctions will be pushed even if Russia backs down.

The sanctions bare no relationship to reality except for an obtuse way of war.

Results of voting against glorification of nazism sugested by Russian Federation

http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf

only 3 countries against (USA, canada and guess who Ukraine )

with EU abstaining like a puppet it is.

Viktor wrote:Results of voting against glorification of nazism sugested by Russian Federation

http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf

only 3 countries against (USA, canada and guess who Ukraine )

with EU abstaining like a puppet it is.

It's ridiculous how anyone would vote 'nay' against this!

Chill out guys.

Here is something to cool down everybody:

VOENTORG

Viktor wrote:Results of voting against glorification of nazism sugested by Russian Federation

http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf

only 3 countries against (USA, canada and guess who Ukraine )

with EU abstaining like a puppet it is.

Of course I would had vote No. This is total crap, but nevertheless is disgraceful that this shitty continent is so much tight under a puppetship.
The worst days of Soviet Union must be nothing compare to this. Total mind control, absolute tyranny. Everything just to save the zionists who go down like stone.
I wish a bloody end to EU and the western pro-US monarchies.

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Viktor wrote:Results of voting against glorification of nazism sugested by Russian Federation

http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf

only 3 countries against (USA, canada and guess who Ukraine )

with EU abstaining like a puppet it is.

Of course I would had vote No. This is total crap, but nevertheless is disgraceful that this shitty continent is so much tight under a puppetship.
The worst days of Soviet Union must be nothing compare to this. Total mind control, absolute tyranny. Everything just to save the zionists who go down like stone.
I wish a bloody end to EU and the western pro-US monarchies.  

Why NO? Is it's because some countries can interpretate Nazism for political gain?
I think answer should be YES. It's shameful Canada said NO, they are nothing more than hat of USA.
EU is still not as harsh tyranny, there are some economical benefits, but it make countries to be dependant on EU so they can't leave and they have many channels how to control countries who express any kind of political independence. And they are propagating love for EU, rather love for Your country. EU wants wipe nationalism off, make it whole biomass with no cultural identity. Tsarist Russia tried to do this by hash means, but EU is doing way better with soft power.
I wish split of EU into smaller alliances, cause now EU is too political and not as much economical.

For starters I am never against ideologies.

Meanwhile in Crimea:

New 5 star hotel/resort opening