The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

sepheronx wrote:

Pinto wrote:Looks like NATO will not stop interfering in ukraine, they are trying there best to lure ukraine in NATO and this might provoke Russia more. why would putin allow a NATO member as neighbour and hence Russia will try to more merge more russian speaking areas of ukraine in it further pissing west off

Any updates then refarding this? NATO knows they cant acquire Ukraine especially with its territorial issues. And they were pretty quick at denying to Ukraine defense minister about possibility of ABM's (cause they know they will be in trouble if that is the case).

PapaDragon wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Pinto wrote:Looks like NATO will not stop interfering in ukraine, they are trying there best to lure ukraine in NATO and this might provoke Russia more. why would putin allow a NATO member as neighbour and hence Russia will try to more merge more russian speaking areas of ukraine in it further pissing west off

Any updates then refarding this? NATO knows they cant acquire Ukraine especially with its territorial issues. And they were pretty quick at denying to Ukraine defense minister about possibility of ABM's (cause they know they will be in trouble if that is the case).

If recent news are anything to go by even EU membership is an impossibility for the Ukraine now. Double that for NATO membership.

They are being dropped like a third period French...

Pinto wrote:EU and NATO seems too have same motive but they have not succeeded so far and there economic sanctions seems not to have had any credible effect. If Russian economy can wither these sanctions successfully this year then EU and NATO will sit like a melted ice. In coming winters russia might again switch of gas supplies lol

Godric wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:This is rich from Yahoo News, they publish correction of a name of one "Russian soldier" in top 10 headlines totally not for no other reason than to keep "story" in focus.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-captured-eastern-ukraine-says-fine-155645634.html

Now if they would be so kind to publish corrections for all that other crap they posted over past 2 years (and more) that would be freakin' sweet.  

yahoo news is absolutely terrible they are even more biased than the BBC you had to see Yahoo during the Scottish Independence referendum it was truly sickening

Erk wrote:

Pinto wrote:EU and NATO seems too have same motive but they have not succeeded so far and there economic sanctions seems not to have had any credible effect. If Russian economy can wither these sanctions successfully this year then EU and NATO will sit like a melted ice. In coming winters russia might again switch of gas supplies lol

I don't think the sanctions against Russia are having a massive economic effect, the US mainly controls the flow of $US finance, something the world could well do without. Most goods and services can be imported from many places.

Erk wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

Erk wrote:Seems this drone they shot down on the week end was a target practice drone model, not a spy drone.

Wrong pic...it's a "Forpost" which is a Russian version of the Israeli "Searcher MkII"...

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1309750.html

It's the right picture, I was talking about the one they shot down a week ago, not the one today.

sepheronx wrote:http://russia-insider.com/en/appeal-lets-help-alternative-ukraine-reporter-crowdfund-camera/ri7211

Dunno if this is allowed or not. But the guy brought quality footage/pics for free of what is really going on in donbass, so they are seeking money for a better camera to take photos and videos for all media outlets. Since there is 18 days to go, ill be sending money next paycheque.

Chapter 48: MacArthur Panics
The General abruptly changes from easy confidence to outrage. “We face an entirely new war,” he announces. Washington talks frantically—and does nothing. As X Corps on the east escapes, Eighth Army on the west withdraws 120 miles in the longest retreat in American history. President Truman is tricked by reporters into saying that the U.S. might use the atomic bomb. A world uproar follows, and British Prime Minister Clement Attlee flies to confer with Truman.

Новости и Политика wrote:Ukrainian security officials are targeting new weapons on peaceful settlement in LC

BBC wrote:Russia upset over US training Ukraine soldiers
21 May 2015 Last updated at 12:36 BST

The Ukrainian government has enlisted the help of the United States army to help train Ukraine soldiers in an effort to strengthen their military operations amid tensions with Russia.
It has provoked accusations from Russia that the presence of a third party will only fuel the conflict.
Anastasiya Gribanova has been given exclusive access to one of their training sessions in Lviv in western Ukraine. Video

Креативная жизнь wrote:Pokatushki airport Lugansk

OSCE wrote:Latest from OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine based on information received as of 19:30 (Kyiv time), 20 May 2015
KYIV 21 May 2015

This report is for the media and the general public.

...

The SMM visited the two individuals currently held at the military hospital in Kyiv, who received medical treatment. The SMM spoke to the two individuals without the presence of Ukrainian authorities. The SMM assessed their general condition and gathered their accounts about their capture.

One of them said he had received military education in the Russian Federation. Both individuals claimed that they were members of a unit of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. They claimed that they were on a reconnaissance mission. They were armed but had no orders to attack. Both of them said that they came under fire, got injured and were captured on 16 May 2015 at the contact line near Shchastya. One of them said he had received orders from his military unit to go to Ukraine; he was to “rotate” after three months. Both of them said they had been to Ukraine “on missions” before. One of them stressed repeatedly that there were no Russian troops involved in fighting in Ukraine. Both said they were provided with a Ukrainian lawyer who visited them today. Continue reading.

wrote:Russia Deployed Nuclear-Capable Gear, NATO Commander Says
by Ian Wishart 4:50 PM CEST May 21, 2015

Russia has deployed equipment during the conflict in eastern Ukraine that can be used for nuclear weapons, NATO’s top military commander said.

While there’s no “direct evidence” that the Kremlin has made deployments of nuclear arms, U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove said on Thursday, “that does not mean that they may not have happened.”

“Lots of the systems that the Russians use to deliver nuclear weapons are dual-use systems -- they can be either conventional or nuclear -- and some of those systems are deployed,” Breedlove said. Continue reading.

Громадське Телебачення wrote:The Sunday Show - White House Wanted To Preserve the USSR - Harvard Historian

Newsweek wrote:Raising a 'Russian Rebel Army' to Overthrow Putin
BY NOLAN PETERSON 5/20/15 AT 6:10 PM

Andrei Kuznetsov leans forward, clinches his angular jaw, narrows his sharp blue eyes and says: “I could tell you things that would shock Americans.”

For emphasis, the 32-year-old Russian exile then raises his eyebrows and nods as he slowly leans back in his chair and takes a sip of beer. Patrons and servers at the downtown Kiev bar swirl around the table at which the St. Petersburg, Russia, native with wavy blond hair is sitting.

“Much of Russia is being led like cattle,” Kuznetsov continues. He talks with a perpetual half-smile, using hand gestures and strategic pauses for effect like a politician making a stump speech.

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“But we call ourselves ‘Different Russians.’” he goes on. “Russia needs a real, tough force that can be an opposition to the Putin regime. There are people who support an opposition movement in Russia, but there is no leader to unite them.”

Kuznetsov, who has been living in Kiev for more than nine months, has set out to create what he calls a “Russian rebel army.” He hopes to sidestep the Kremlin’s seemingly invulnerable crackdown on domestic dissent by uniting Russian dissidents living in Ukraine and across Eastern Europe, ultimately paving the way for a legitimate opposition movement to return one day to overthrow Russian President Vladimir Putin. Continue reading.

News-Front wrote:Would the Russian army in the Donbas - get! Preparation of the 2nd mechanized brigade of the People's Militia LC

novayagazeta wrote:Detained in Luhansk region sergeant Alexandrov. Interviews special correspondent of the "New" Paul Kanygin

TheMedvedova wrote:DNR Mortars at work - Ukraine

Vann7 wrote:Ok let me explain why Ukraine cannot be a NATO member..

1)Because United States do not want it.. being a NATO member force all NATO countries
to defend Ukraine in case of war with Russia.. and Neocons media PR warriors ,but chicken on the battlefield ,who runs the Pentagon do not want to fight Russia in a frontal attack.. they have never done it.. they instead ,what they do is hire non american ,terrorist and criminals ,JIhadist and nazis to do the fighting for them.. and hide their hands or claim what they do is only for Ukraine right for self defense.
2)Being A NATO member give Ukraine the right to buy any advanced American weapon..
And the Holywood American heroes that last thing they will want to see is their Apache Hellicopters and F-35s falling from the sky like flies ,fighting the Rebels. Neither they will want
their M1A2 tanks to be crushed by the Rebels.. Chicken Coward Neocons Exceptionalist Americans needs to maintain a world image of invulnerability and being so powerful that not even Russia can touch... but their World Image that they like so much to have of "superiority" and "Exceptionalism"  will become a major joke in the world.. if their best military hardware fails..  US Government will not cry a tear for a human life...but they will scream and yell in pain
for anything that humiliates their Inflated Egos.. That said.. World "Exceptionalism" Image of being a Superior ,untouchable nation needs to be maintained at all cost.. and this is why the Americans does not send ANY military hardware to Ukraine ,that could be used to damage their
image of being the most powerful nation..  So this is why US mostly supply Ukraine with Soviet Weapons.. United States is a Public Relations military Power.. is not really a real military force
that could threaten Russia in a real challenging fight without using Nukes or the help of Europe.

Without Europe.. US become essentially just a regional power , like it is France or UK.. They do have a really big number of inventory in planes or tanks but they are either weak planes or tanks that will not stand a chance in fight with Russia if they were to fight both one vs one in Ukraine.. Russia will eclipse American forces in a frontal fight.. and this is why they don't deny
they do not want a fair fight with Russia.. because they know they will be crushed if invade Ukraine and seeks to remove by force the Donetsk and Lugansk separatist. It will drag Russia
in the fight and it will kick the ass of US military in a conventional fight.. Russia have Better artillery ,better electronic warfare and better missiles..and now better tanks.. and better tactics too.. and a thousand times better determination too.. US have the world biggest suicide rate on its military..the American soldiers have the lowest morale of all world armies ,because its armed forces know they fight for US EMpire and stealing other nations resources.. is not a war for defending civilians or children. or defending their nation.  US military is only a show military ,good for third world weak nations but not good to fight strong nations..

take a look how they wanted to use nukes in Korean war after being massacre  
by CHina army when they invade north korea to kick Americans and NATO allies from there..

Chapter 48: MacArthur Panics
The General abruptly changes from easy confidence to outrage. “We face an entirely new war,” he announces. Washington talks frantically—and does nothing. As X Corps on the east escapes, Eighth Army on the west withdraws 120 miles in the longest retreat in American history. President Truman is tricked by reporters into saying that the U.S. might use the atomic bomb. A world uproar follows, and British Prime Minister Clement Attlee flies to confer with Truman.

Contrary to most belief ,US and NATO alliance have the numbers advantage in Korean war.
they simply had inferior tactics. and the inferior armed army ,took advantage of NATO weakness.. of relying so much in air power for superiority. By fighting close distance of them.

http://bevinalexander.com/books/korea-first-war-we-lost.htm

US will never fight Russia with its conventional army.. in any territory.. it will be
political suicide and a major defeat for them.. Instead their goal is to give Russia
another Afgan war.. with Russia invading Ukraine and US fighting by proxy with someone else
army ,and they providing the weapons.

Maintaining this image of "superiority" is really important to keep its control over
Europe.. this is also true for UK and other major powers.. This is why UK send their worse
possible armored vehicles to Ukraine and not their best one.. it will be really embarrassing
for them if Rebels shut down Eurofighters again and again and capture their pilots..

if they for example were defeated today in a war with Russia.. the first thing you will
see is the disband of the entire  nation...That will be the last straw for americans.. to discover
they are not so superior as they were told.. their egos will receive a mortal hit ,that will destroy their support for such criminal government and their power image is what allow them
to influence Europe and keep them under their control.. But if they lose Europe control..it will be impossible for their army to lead a war again anywhere in the planet.. Without Suffering major economic sanctions if Europe and Russia were allies.

Americans projection of Power is the most important thing in the world ,and they know without Europe they will lose their world power status .and keeping Europe away of Russia their major Goal.. reason why the entire Coup against Yakunovych was made.. to isolate Russia from Europe.

That said.. US will give NATO membership only to nations ,they know
1)Russia will not invade.  (like Baltic States..) simply because Russia don't need it..
2)That is strong and Russia will think twice before invading.. ie.. have nukes..

The Whole Fascist American Government is run in a way to maintain an artificial image ,that they are Superior to Others , "exceptoinalism" and that cannot be touched and that can destroy
anyone with the blink of an eye..   and they will continue running the country in that way..
with a HEAVY Public Relations campaign of how "Exceptional" they are.. Riding with their tanks all europe..with their flags and by using all its capabilities to sabotage the development and economy of their major competition..that is RUssia.

So this is why Violence and Wars "mysteriously" always happens in the nations that are
important to Russia economic interest. You never see Alqaeda or ISIS attacking ISRAEL ,TUrkey or Saudi Arabia or Jordan.. all friendly to US interest..  but nations who had friendly relations
to Russia or that will become very important for Russia economy.. attacked..

So if you want to predict which countries will experience Violence or war.. just only look which countries are friendly to Russia economic Interest in Africa and middle east. But also Europe..
SO greece will be in the line of fire if they sign the BRICS deal..and ally with Russia.. Macedonia
is already attacked by US through their NGOs..and hired albanians muslin terrorist for stopping breaking the nation in parts and stopping Russia south pipeline to Europe.

Khepesh wrote:In 1991 it was inconcievable that NATO would be on the borders of Russia

KoTeMoRe wrote:This is something that has to be explained to y'all.

La Libre wrote:L’ombre russe plane sur le Partenariat oriental
The Russian plane shadow on the Eastern Partnership
SÉBASTIEN GOBERT, CORRESPONDANT À KIEV, ET OLIVIER LE BUSSY Publié le mercredi 20 mai 2015 à 19h04 - Mis à jour le jeudi 21 mai 2015 à 07h10

INTERNATIONAL
At my first meeting with Arseniy Yatsenyuk, I suggested it would be good to report on the use of funds allocated by international donors. The response of the Prime Minister ... surprised me, 'Why should we account for our expenses? On the eastern front, Ukrainians die young for the security of Europe! That should be enough. "

In a restaurant in the center of Kiev, Oleksandr Borovik can not hide his bitterness. The Ukrainian Diaspora, Harvard graduate, former Microsoft expert in new technologies, has hardly accustomed to the Ukrainian capital it needs to leave. "I was approached in January 2015 to become Vice Minister of Economy. I left everything and moved to Kiev." Oleksandr Borovik is assigned an office, a team of about twenty people, and launched various projects. "But after this meeting, Yatsenyuk never signed my letter of appointment." Continue reading.

Юго-ВОСТОК информационно-аналитическое агентство wrote:Rotation of the Army Corps of HM LC

Kyivpost wrote:Ukraine, Georgia could get visa-free travel in case of favorable 2015 European Commission report
May 22, 2015, 3:41 p.m. | Ukraine — by Interfax-Ukraine

RIGA - The European Union (EU) has expressed its willingness to grant visa-free travel to Ukraine and Georgia in the event that the European Commission (EC) issues a favorable report at the end of 2015 regarding these countries' meeting of the necessary criteria, according to a joint statement released at the Eastern Partnership summit in Riga on May 22. Continue reading.

Neutrality wrote:"Ukraine, Georgia could get visa-free travel in case of favorable 2015 European Commission report". Exactly, COULD get it.

Can anyone explain to me why visa free travel is such a matter between life and death for Ukraine? For the record, I understand what visa free travel does. I just want an explanation on why this part is so highly concentrated at. Does this chocolate clown understand that people will start massively running out of the country? Including the people he needs to fight his pathetic ATO. Or is this exactly his strategy here?

On the other hand, this would boost the Ukrainian prostitution business by exporting cheap "human capital" to Europe. Please don't tell me that this is part of the plan

whir wrote:

Khepesh wrote:In 1991 it was inconcievable that NATO would be on the borders of Russia

Sorry but that simply is not true, it was crystal clear by the end of 1991 that the alliance was going to expand all the way to the Russian border without opposition from Moscow and the end goal has been from the start to put the European border at the Russian border.

Neutrality wrote:"Ukraine, Georgia could get visa-free travel in case of favorable 2015 European Commission report". Exactly, COULD get it.

Can anyone explain to me why visa free travel is such a matter between life and death for Ukraine? For the record, I understand what visa free travel does. I just want an explanation on why this part is so highly concentrated at. Does this chocolate clown understand that people will start massively running out of the country? Including the people he needs to fight his pathetic ATO. Or is this exactly his strategy here?

On the other hand, this would boost the Ukrainian prostitution business by exporting cheap "human capital" to Europe. Please don't tell me that this is part of the plan

KoTeMoRe wrote:


BTW NATO was already on the border through Turkey...