The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

sepheronx wrote:
And this is why Russians hate their oppositions and the people who follow them.  These people do it to themselves.  They think that having some sort of minority army to try to overthrow a legitimate government, whom has over 80% support, will make them leaders.  No, instead, it will make people hate them even more.  Who do they think they are and how do they suppose they will succeed?  These are the same people who are wanting to destroy their own country for their own little gain.  I openly support assassinations on these people.  They need to die, cause they are trying to create such a problem for their own country and their own people, that they are willing to hide in a country that is openly hostile (to the point of murder) of these own people, to incite the idea of creating a similar situation of their former country.  It really is so bad, that they want to split their own country apart for what?  These people need to die and a harsh death too, to have a message to the rest that if you want to destroy your own country, your own country will destroy you first.

You never supposed to wish death upon anyone.  But if a single person thinks he/she is "Smart" and thinks that destroying your own country through undemocratic movements that will just cause death and destruction, only because you don't like a leader but cannot get in yourself because people hate you, means that you deserve nothing more than a 9mm in the fucking head.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:There's a huge report on Col Cassad about situation in Ukraine. Someone on mpnet translated it, or a lot of it, to English on mpnet.

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2196155.html

Neutrality wrote:"Ukraine, Georgia could get visa-free travel in case of favorable 2015 European Commission report". Exactly, COULD get it.

Can anyone explain to me why visa free travel is such a matter between life and death for Ukraine? For the record, I understand what visa free travel does. I just want an explanation on why this part is so highly concentrated at. Does this chocolate clown understand that people will start massively running out of the country? Including the people he needs to fight his pathetic ATO. Or is this exactly his strategy here?

On the other hand, this would boost the Ukrainian prostitution business by exporting cheap "human capital" to Europe. Please don't tell me that this is part of the plan

News-Front wrote:In Shirokino Army fighters took off DNR on the phone, like a rocket flew past them [18+]

Amnesty International wrote:Ukraine: Overwhelming new evidence of prisoners being tortured and killed amid conflict
22 May 2015, 10:00 UTC

Overwhelming evidence of ongoing war crimes, including torture and summary killings of prisoners, serve as a stark reminder of the brutal practices being committed on a near-daily basis in eastern Ukraine’s conflict, Amnesty International said in a comprehensive new briefing today.

Breaking Bodies: Torture and summary killings in eastern Ukraine provides compelling evidence of frequent and widespread prisoner abuse by a broad range of captors on both sides of the conflict.

Former prisoners described being beaten until their bones broke, tortured with electric shocks, kicked, stabbed, hung from the ceiling, deprived of sleep for days, threatened with death, denied urgent medical care and subjected to mock executions.

“In the shadow of eastern Ukraine’s still-smouldering conflict, our on-the-ground research shows that accounts of detainee torture are as commonplace as they are shocking. More than 30 former prisoners held by both sides gave us consistent and harrowing accounts of their captors’ abuse,” said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia Programme Director at Amnesty International. Continue reading.

The Guardian wrote:Ukrainian commander says captured drones are Russian - video
Christian Borys, Yura Melko, The Guardian Thursday 21 May 2015 22.20 BST

The commander of the Ukrainian Aerorozvidka unit, Natan Chazin, explains the the importance of a drone his unit shot down this month. Chazin explains that the recovery of the the Israeli-made drone, called the Searcher 2, lasted two days as Ukrainian troops battled to reach the wreckage, saying this is indicative of the aircraft's importance. The commander also adds that the drone is highly advanced and used by only a few countries across the world Video.

Espreso TV via Google Translate wrote:Шість українських вишів увійшли до рейтингу найкращих у світі
Six Ukrainian universities included in the ranking of the best in the world
MAY 22, 2015
14:07

MIT vyshem United States recognized the best in the world

The experts issued a list of the most prestigious universities in the world. By rating includes 800 universities around the world. The criteria by which researchers determined the best educational institutions were research, teaching, employment and international perspective. Rating gripped performance on four criteria during the 2014-2015 years.

The best and most prestigious university for all criteria recognized American Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The second place took the famous British Cambridge, and the third place was Imperial College London.

American Harvard took the fourth and fifth began Oxford. Also, to the best universities in the world included six Ukrainian universities:

National Taras Shevchenko University - 421 place;
Kharkiv National University NV Karazin - 481 place;
National Technical University of Ukraine "Kyiv Polytechnic Institute" - 551 place;
Sumy State University - 651 place
National Technical University "Kharkiv Polytechnic Institute" and Donetsk National University divided 701 ranking. Continue reading.

Bolt wrote:Poroshenko doesn't need it, he can freely travel to EU even now. He is trying to get a visa-free regime because that was one of the main requirement of people on the Maidan, to get the political points needed to stay in president's chair. They chant that they want to be a part of Europe - but they won't start from themselves, they don't want to change their mindset, to start working, stop littering and pissing around them, thus creating a normal, civil, modern European society in their own country - no, that's too hard for them.
Much easier just to go to Poland/Germany/UK, and start living there - even by doing the dirty work there, even being an emigrant far from home - it's easier for them to get everything already "built" and "done"
They love Ukraine and dye their hair to yellow-blue just right until they get a chance to get out of the country - a huge majority will do it without second thought, and will never look bad - even those that like to pretend as true Svidomi patriots.
A mini version of what it will be like when (if) they get a visa-free regime:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

TASS wrote:DPR expects Kiev to cancel amendments to law on Donbas after Contact Group meeting
World May 22, 20:16 UTC+3

The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic leader’s administration chief said there's a chance Kiev will cancel amendments to the law on Donbas special status

MOSCOW, May 22 /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) hopes that Kiev will cancel amendments to the law on Donbas special status after the Contact Group for Ukraine settlement met in Minsk, Maxim Leshchenko, the DPR leader’s administration chief, said on Friday.

"Definitely, there’s a chance," Leshchenko told a news conference at the Donetsk news agency.

A working subgroup for political issues set up by the Contact Group for the Ukraine settlement ended its meeting at President Hotel in Minsk earlier on Friday, a source close to negotiations told the LuganskInform Tsentr news agency.

"The meeting is over," he said. Continue reading.

TASS wrote:Russia will take tough position in case Ukraine refuses to repay debts — PM Medvedev
Russia May 22, 21:47 UTC+3

Medvedev said Kiev's refusal to pay foreign debts would mean Ukraine’s default and will influence agreements with the IMF

MOSCOW, May 22. /TASS/. Russia will take a maximally tough position in case Ukraine refuses to repay debts, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday.

"The statement made by the Verkhovna Rada [Ukraine’s parliament - TASS] is highly contradictory. They appear speaking about private loans but at the same time hinting they do not intend to repay debts of Yanukovych’s government. It looks like the refusal of the Bolsheviks to repay debts of the tsarist government. If this is indeed formalized in such a way, it will definitely mean Ukraine’s default and will influence their agreements with the IMF," Medvedev said.

"We will take the toughest position in this case and will defend our national interests," the prime minister added. Continue reading.

TASS wrote:Russia continues attempts to rescue Russians from captivity in Ukraine — Kremlin
Russia May 22, 21:41 UTC+3

Russian citizens detained by Ukrainian troops in Donbas face at least 15 years in prison in Ukraine

MOSCOW, May 22 /TASS/. The Russian side continues attempts to rescue Russians detained in southeastern Ukraine from captivity, Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov told journalists on Friday.

"I cannot add anything more to what I have already said. They are Russian nationals who are in captivity. Naturally, the Russian side is taking necessary measures to rescue them from captivity. There is nothing else I can say," the Kremlin spokesperson said.

Peskov said that the Russian Foreign Ministry was supposed to give explanations on the situation that Russian diplomats had been unable to reach the detainees for several days.

Earlier, Peskov said that the Kremlin did not intend to check rumors about the detention of Russian servicemen in Donbas. "The presidential administration should tackle this issue. This theme is not in its competence. This question should not be addressed to us," the presidential spokesman said adding that all inquiries on that subject should be redirected to the Russian Defense Ministry.

"There have never been [Russian] troops in Donbas. We and the Defense Ministry have said many times that there are no Russian military in Donbas," the Kremlin spokesman said. [url=]Continue reading.[/url]

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Airbornewolf wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

How much money did they spend to buy that?

more like "fallen off an moving truck on the highway".

Bolt wrote:

Neutrality wrote:"Ukraine, Georgia could get visa-free travel in case of favorable 2015 European Commission report". Exactly, COULD get it.

Can anyone explain to me why visa free travel is such a matter between life and death for Ukraine? For the record, I understand what visa free travel does. I just want an explanation on why this part is so highly concentrated at. Does this chocolate clown understand that people will start massively running out of the country? Including the people he needs to fight his pathetic ATO. Or is this exactly his strategy here?

On the other hand, this would boost the Ukrainian prostitution business by exporting cheap "human capital" to Europe. Please don't tell me that this is part of the plan

Poroshenko doesn't need it, he can freely travel to EU even now. He is trying to get a visa-free regime because that was one of the main requirement of people on the Maidan, to get the political points needed to stay in president's chair. They chant that they want to be a part of Europe - but they won't start from themselves, they don't want to change their mindset, to start working, stop littering and pissing around them, thus creating a normal, civil, modern European society in their own country - no, that's too hard for them.
Much easier just to go to Poland/Germany/UK, and start living there - even by doing the dirty work there, even being an emigrant far from home - it's easier for them to get everything already "built" and "done"
They love Ukraine and dye their hair to yellow-blue just right until they get a chance to get out of the country - a huge majority will do it without second thought, and will never look bad - even those that like to pretend as true Svidomi patriots.
A mini version of what it will be like when (if) they get a visa-free regime:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

PapaDragon wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Even Russian army just started getting those babies.

Wonder if some posters will still still claim that Russia has abandoned the rebels...

Flagship Victory wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Bolt wrote:a Sparta's soldier with a KORD MG:

Even Russian army just started getting those babies.

Wonder if some posters will still still claim that Russia has abandoned the rebels...

The Russian government is not a monolithic block. Very few politicians like Putin are against NAF. Almost all politicians like Mironov and Zhirinovsky are pro NAF. A Just Russia and LDPR supply aid to NAF. Putin does not.

gregoire wrote:Why is that in your opinion?

Flagship Victory wrote:

gregoire wrote:Why is that in your opinion?

A Just Russia is mainly Rodina which is far right. LDPR is also far right. Putin is liberal, a lot more liberal than Obama.

gregoire wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

gregoire wrote:Why is that in your opinion?

A Just Russia is mainly Rodina which is far right. LDPR is also far right. Putin is liberal, a lot more liberal than Obama.

Then after reading your comment the outcome of the conflict is predetermined although I still don't know what it should be.