The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

Flagship Victory wrote:Why does OSCE always put DPR and LPR in quotation marks?

Regular wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Personally, I'm a sniper guy rather than an artillery guy. Dragunov / PKM can drop a man from 800 meters away.  ASVK / Kord can drop a man from over a kilometer away. Shooting rather than shelling will reduce civilian casualties to a minimum.

Personally, I'm tank rather sniper guy. T-72 can drop a man from 1800 meters away. T-14 can drop a man from 5 km away. Shooting tank rather sniper shooting will increase die on enemy position.

whir wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Why does OSCE always put DPR and LPR in quotation marks?

Because typing "self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic" can be tiresome and to symbolically avoid recognising them.

Flagship Victory wrote:Does OSCE also put Kosovo in quotation marks?

Flagship Victory wrote:...........................................

The hyper inflation in Ukraine is largely caused by too much money injection by IMF and the EU. When conquistadors brought huge amounts of gold to Spain in the 1500s and 1600s, Spain experienced hyper inflation. Likewise, Germany and Japan both experienced hyper inflation post WW2. Hyper inflation in itself is not a bad thing. Over time, salaries will rise to match prices of goods and services. China has also experienced hyper inflation over the past few decades, with prices and salaries being over 10 times what they used to be about 25 years ago.

Flagship Victory wrote:  

You obviously never experienced hyperinflation...

LifeNews via Google Translate wrote:Неонацистка, обвиняемая в убийстве Бузины, перегрызла себе вены
Neonatsistka accused of murdering elder, he gnawed his veins
19:14 May 26, 2015

This was announced on air of Ukrainian television lawyer Vita Zaveruhi.

Lawyer detained neonatsistki and volunteer battalion "Aydar" Vita Zaveruhi which may be involved in the murder of ex-employees of "Berkut" and journalist Olesya Elderberry , said Ukrainian media that his client in prison gnawed his veins.

Defender Zaveruhi Victor Smal said that today considered the appeal on the decision of the Dnipro district court of taking her into custody. He said that his client had been tortured in detention, with the result that the incident occurred.

- It was closed in the office with these law enforcement officers that it actually was tortured, and it gnawed his veins - said the lawyer.

The network of journalists expressed the opinion that this action is suspected of killing Olesya Elderberry nothing else, as a protest against the detention.

According to media reports, Vita Zaveruhu detained with a group of nationalists, May 7, 2015 in Kiev. Young people suspected of the murder of two former employees of "Berkut" in the night of May 4. As told by some publications, later Zaveruhu - Volunteer Battalion "Aydar" - accused of attempted murder of the journalist Oles Elderberry and deputy Oleg Kalashnikov.

But then Interior Minister hastened to disown the suspicions of the press and said that Vita Zaveruha and her team are not related to the murder of Elderberry. Arsen Avakov said that between the shooting of police officers in Kiev and murder Elderberry and Kalashnikov is no connection.

According to community members, detainees young people used brutal torture and beatings. According to Ukrainian media, the power of young radicals were forced to admit their guilt in their alleged crimes.

Vita Zaveruha - Ukrainian identity known . She did not just burst into the offices of Russian companies, blaming the people working there, in cooperation with Russia, where "there is a war." According to Ukrainian media, Zaveruha she entered a "Aydar" has no relation to the events in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa, May 2, 2014 and calls for the genocide of the Russian-speaking population. Continue reading.

Информационные Войска wrote:Delivery of the battle flag of the battalion "Diesel"

News-Front wrote:Doctors LC Army soldiers carried the wounded from the battlefield

Another day permiriya consequences shelling Slavyanoserbsk

Rodinazombie wrote:^^^^^

RIP to the victims. Its terrible that civilians, and especially children are being killed by the regime despite the ceasefire.

Be prepared for more tales out of the state department about NAF not abiding by the minsk agreements.

Slowly but surely the violence is being ramped up, it wont be long now before NAF gets the green light to kick some more ass if the ukies keep increasing their attacks.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Followed with Minsk3 where the NAF will be forced capitulate and to give up their gains and the Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk and Gorlovka civilians continue as before.

Rodinazombie wrote:^^^^^

RIP to the victims. Its terrible that civilians, and especially children are being killed by the regime despite the ceasefire.

Be prepared for more tales out of the state department about NAF not abiding by the minsk agreements.

Slowly but surely the violence is being ramped up, it wont be long now before NAF gets the green light to kick some more ass if the ukies keep increasing their attacks.

Vann7 wrote:Why is Kharkov silent?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d8_1432647571


Is interesting that in that interview to Kharkov residents.. they say basically that yeah they dont like much the government but they tolerate it.. and the only thing they are worried is to be sent to fight to the frontline.. and NOTHING ELSE.. they not worried at civilians being killed everyday in their own nation.  So they will basically do nothing for their nation to kick facism from their country.. and when the economy collapse completely in Ukraine.. what they will do?
he told that then after that.. they will Wait for Donetsk and Lugansk to liberate them..  

So they want others to do everything for them.. Yakunovych received more than half of the votes of the entire nation ,and if all those people rebelled against kiev.. the war will end..

So this is the kind of Imbeciles that allows their country to be destroyed and do nothing...

You can understand that Odessa to dot rebel and take arms.. since Russia will have no way to support them.. but nations at the border of Russia have no fucking excuse to continue living
Like business as usual..while their  Ukrainians in Donetsk and Lugansk are being systematically
killed ,including women and children every day.

The resident of kharkov,in the interview by phone told that most his friends are quite good with the way things are.. .  Probably because in Pro Russian Zones ,people are kept busy with a job ,building tanks to kill their own brothers in Donetsk and Lugansk..

THis is why Russia strategy needs to accelerate the total  collapse of Ukraine economy.
Because as long as Ukrainian parasites receive a salary ,they will continue tolerating their
Government..  Crash their country economy to ZERO.. and only Ukrainians start to feel hungry
and starving and have no food their families is when the bastards will rebel against the government.. and will do Something about..  If all cities go a protest against Kiev and paralize all the country.. it will be very difficult for the Military operation to continue with so many insurgency attacking them from behind.. having a major Rebelion in every city is the way to
end the conflict.. but this rebelions needs to be lead by anti Maidan nationalist..

Russia cannot do anything more Agressive if Ukrainians remain passive ,enjoying life and helping kiev by building more tanks that later will be used against them ,when they rebel for not having a job and ukraine economy totally crash..beyond repair.

The Rebelion needs to happens in all major Ukraine cities ,demanding Poroshenko to step down
and federalization of all Ukraine.. That every city is a rebublic on its own with Full autonomy..
The federalization of Ukraine is something that is pretty achievable if Ukrainians werent the
losers they are.. because Germany ,France and Russia have spoken in favor of it as the only
way out of the conflict. The European Union will back it up.. and it will be only the Kiev and US and Baltics and poland opposing it.

This is when Russia can increase the pressure on kiev.. and start supplying weapons to more cities to insurgent groups.. Kiev will NOT be able to continue its Illegal Criminal war in eastern Ukraine if the government lose the control of all major cities.

i really don't understand the Ukrainian society.. neither the American one.. in latin america ,
the culture is so different.. you will see MILLIONS on the streets ,just for new taxes.. and any politician that kills a child , the people will wipe the streets with him..

But in ukraine you see most of the nation pretty tolerant with the criminal war of their government against its own people..

Take a look at brazil for example.. an anti corruption protest of 1 million brazilian citizens..



This eclipse by far the protest in Ukraine financed by the west.. so it shows how people mobilize
to the streets when they feel something is really wrong and need to stop.. Ukrainians in the other hand ,go  and hide their head in the sand ,while their government is bombing civilians women and children..and the bastards the only thing they worry is not being them the ones sent to the front line and also worry about getting a job.. of $100 to $300 dollars a month.

 truly it will be impossible in any Latin American to have the violence you see in Ukraine..
and any president to have a chance to stay in power. in venezuela for example ,Chavez was literary overthrow from Power in 2002 , when just a dozen of civilians form the opposition were killed by snipers in an anti government protest (yes just like in kiev) .and western backed opposition media fooled the civilians to think Chavez gave the order..to shoot at civilians.. he was kicked from power in less than 48 hours..    This should tell you how much intolerance there are for bandits that shows no respect for human life.  and generals in the army loyal to chavez turned against him quickly.. because they were fooled by the lies of opposition media.. Later however many of the same generals that overthrow him.. help him to get in power again after they learn they were fooled.. ,All said .. In Latin America today ,that is heavily Catholic christian ,the average norm is value for human life , and there is ZERO tolerance to bandits like Poroshenko and anyone in kiev..Who use the army to kill their own people. it will be IMPOSSIBLE for anyone of them to stand a chance in Power after bombing civilians in the country.  And im amazed how in Poland and baltic States ,so called "Christian Cathotlic Nations" can support kiev after their bombing of schools , hospitals and civilians in eastern ukraine.

Simply today an Euromaidan will be IMPOSSIBLE to happen in latin america..Any president that
is discovered of causing the life of a single innocent civilian and is proven beyond doubt he did
it , is a finished government.. Today the tolerance for Bandits is ZERO.. And people like Poroshenko will not last a minute in power after a family is killed by a military operation being lead by the government.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Why is Kharkov silent?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d8_1432647571


Is interesting that in that interview to Kharkov residents.. they say basically that yeah they dont like much the government but they tolerate it.. and the only thing they are worried is to be sent to fight to the frontline.. and NOTHING ELSE.. they not worried at civilians being killed everyday in their own nation.  So they will basically do nothing for their nation to kick facism from their country.. and when the economy collapse completely in Ukraine.. what they will do?
he told that then after that.. they will Wait for Donetsk and Lugansk to liberate them..  

So they want others to do everything for them.. Yakunovych received more than half of the votes of the entire nation ,and if all those people rebelled against kiev.. the war will end..

So this is the kind of Imbeciles that allows their country to be destroyed and do nothing...

You can understand that Odessa to dot rebel and take arms.. since Russia will have no way to support them.. but nations at the border of Russia have no fucking excuse to continue living
Like business as usual..while their  Ukrainians in Donetsk and Lugansk are being systematically
killed ,including women and children every day.

The resident of kharkov,in the interview by phone told that most his friends are quite good with the way things are.. .  Probably because in Pro Russian Zones ,people are kept busy with a job ,building tanks to kill their own brothers in Donetsk and Lugansk..

THis is why Russia strategy needs to accelerate the total  collapse of Ukraine economy.
Because as long as Ukrainian parasites receive a salary ,they will continue tolerating their
Government..  Crash their country economy to ZERO.. and only Ukrainians start to feel hungry
and starving and have no food their families is when the bastards will rebel against the government.. and will do Something about..  If all cities go a protest against Kiev and paralize all the country.. it will be very difficult for the Military operation to continue with so many insurgency attacking them from behind.. having a major Rebelion in every city is the way to
end the conflict.. but this rebelions needs to be lead by anti Maidan nationalist..

Russia cannot do anything more Agressive if Ukrainians remain passive ,enjoying life and helping kiev by building more tanks that later will be used against them ,when they rebel for not having a job and ukraine economy totally crash..beyond repair.

The Rebelion needs to happens in all major Ukraine cities ,demanding Poroshenko to step down
and federalization of all Ukraine.. That every city is a rebublic on its own with Full autonomy..
The federalization of Ukraine is something that is pretty achievable if Ukrainians werent the
losers they are.. because Germany ,France and Russia have spoken in favor of it as the only
way out of the conflict. The European Union will back it up.. and it will be only the Kiev and US and Baltics and poland opposing it.

This is when Russia can increase the pressure on kiev.. and start supplying weapons to more cities to insurgent groups.. Kiev will NOT be able to continue its Illegal Criminal war in eastern Ukraine if the government lose the control of all major cities.

i really don't understand the Ukrainian society.. neither the American one.. in latin america ,
the culture is so different.. you will see MILLIONS on the streets ,just for new taxes.. and any politician that kills a child , the people will wipe the streets with him..

But in ukraine you see most of the nation pretty tolerant with the criminal war of their government against its own people..

Take a look at brazil for example.. an anti corruption protest of 1 million brazilian citizens..



This eclipse by far the protest in Ukraine financed by the west.. so it shows how people mobilize
to the streets when they feel something is really wrong and need to stop.. Ukrainians in the other hand ,go  and hide their head in the sand ,while their government is bombing civilians women and children..and the bastards the only thing they worry is not being them the ones sent to the front line and also worry about getting a job.. of $100 to $300 dollars a month.

 truly it will be impossible in any Latin American to have the violence you see in Ukraine..
and any president to have a chance to stay in power. in venezuela for example ,Chavez was literary overthrow from Power in 2002 , when just a dozen of civilians form the opposition were killed by snipers in an anti government protest (yes just like in kiev) .and western backed opposition media fooled the civilians to think Chavez gave the order..to shoot at civilians.. he was kicked from power in less than 48 hours..    This should tell you how much intolerance there are for bandits that shows no respect for human life.  and generals in the army loyal to chavez turned against him quickly.. because they were fooled by the lies of opposition media.. Later however many of the same generals that overthrow him.. help him to get in power again after they learn they were fooled.. ,All said .. In Latin America today ,that is heavily Catholic christian ,the average norm is value for human life , and there is ZERO tolerance to bandits like Poroshenko and anyone in kiev..Who use the army to kill their own people. it will be IMPOSSIBLE for anyone of them to stand a chance in Power after bombing civilians in the country.  And im amazed how in Poland and baltic States ,so called "Christian Cathotlic Nations" can support kiev after their bombing of schools , hospitals and civilians in eastern ukraine.

Simply today an Euromaidan will be IMPOSSIBLE to happen in latin america..Any president that
is discovered of causing the life of a single innocent civilian and is proven beyond doubt he did
it , is a finished government.. Today the tolerance for Bandits is ZERO.. And people like Poroshenko will not last a minute in power after a family is killed by a military operation being lead by the government.

The problem with starting revolts in all the major Eastern Ukrainian cities now is that they are virtually locked down by the Ukrop Government. There are some pretty scary stories about the new way of life after the anti-maidan protests coming from places like Kharkov, Mariupol, and Odessa. I have heard stories that feel like they were ripped right out of dystopian novels. The people there are very much anti-Ukrainian and their government knows this and their government is ready to kill them all if they revolt. The difference between these cities and Donetsk and Lugansk is that the Ukrop government was able to have enough of their assets there to counter a popular uprising (see Odesssa Massacre). Now the citizens live in fear.

There are some who are resisting the regime who seem to be based around Kharkov and Odessa. I think it is safe to assume that they are doing all in their power to resist the evil from Kiev while keeping themselves and their loved ones safe. I would love it if Russia gave some form of support to these partisans such as weapons or training but that is not likely. Maybe after Kiev gets their a$$e$ handed to them this summer, the partisans will be given some breathing room with a weakened Ukrop government. I wish them all the best and hope for their safety.

Vann7 wrote:Why is Kharkov silent?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d8_1432647571


Is interesting that in that interview to Kharkov residents.. they say basically that yeah they dont like much the government but they tolerate it.. and the only thing they are worried is to be sent to fight to the frontline.. and NOTHING ELSE.. they not worried at civilians being killed everyday in their own nation.  So they will basically do nothing for their nation to kick facism from their country.. and when the economy collapse completely in Ukraine.. what they will do?
he told that then after that.. they will Wait for Donetsk and Lugansk to liberate them..  

So they want others to do everything for them.. Yakunovych received more than half of the votes of the entire nation ,and if all those people rebelled against kiev.. the war will end..

So this is the kind of Imbeciles that allows their country to be destroyed and do nothing...

You can understand that Odessa to dot rebel and take arms.. since Russia will have no way to support them.. but nations at the border of Russia have no fucking excuse to continue living
Like business as usual..while their  Ukrainians in Donetsk and Lugansk are being systematically
killed ,including women and children every day.

The resident of kharkov,in the interview by phone told that most his friends are quite good with the way things are.. .  Probably because in Pro Russian Zones ,people are kept busy with a job ,building tanks to kill their own brothers in Donetsk and Lugansk..

THis is why Russia strategy needs to accelerate the total  collapse of Ukraine economy.
Because as long as Ukrainian parasites receive a salary ,they will continue tolerating their
Government..  Crash their country economy to ZERO.. and only Ukrainians start to feel hungry
and starving and have no food their families is when the bastards will rebel against the government.. and will do Something about..  If all cities go a protest against Kiev and paralize all the country.. it will be very difficult for the Military operation to continue with so many insurgency attacking them from behind.. having a major Rebelion in every city is the way to
end the conflict.. but this rebelions needs to be lead by anti Maidan nationalist..

Russia cannot do anything more Agressive if Ukrainians remain passive ,enjoying life and helping kiev by building more tanks that later will be used against them ,when they rebel for not having a job and ukraine economy totally crash..beyond repair.

The Rebelion needs to happens in all major Ukraine cities ,demanding Poroshenko to step down
and federalization of all Ukraine.. That every city is a rebublic on its own with Full autonomy..
The federalization of Ukraine is something that is pretty achievable if Ukrainians werent the
losers they are.. because Germany ,France and Russia have spoken in favor of it as the only
way out of the conflict. The European Union will back it up.. and it will be only the Kiev and US and Baltics and poland opposing it.

This is when Russia can increase the pressure on kiev.. and start supplying weapons to more cities to insurgent groups.. Kiev will NOT be able to continue its Illegal Criminal war in eastern Ukraine if the government lose the control of all major cities.

i really don't understand the Ukrainian society.. neither the American one.. in latin america ,
the culture is so different.. you will see MILLIONS on the streets ,just for new taxes.. and any politician that kills a child , the people will wipe the streets with him..

But in ukraine you see most of the nation pretty tolerant with the criminal war of their government against its own people..

Take a look at brazil for example.. an anti corruption protest of 1 million brazilian citizens..



This eclipse by far the protest in Ukraine financed by the west.. so it shows how people mobilize
to the streets when they feel something is really wrong and need to stop.. Ukrainians in the other hand ,go  and hide their head in the sand ,while their government is bombing civilians women and children..and the bastards the only thing they worry is not being them the ones sent to the front line and also worry about getting a job.. of $100 to $300 dollars a month.

 truly it will be impossible in any Latin American to have the violence you see in Ukraine..
and any president to have a chance to stay in power. in venezuela for example ,Chavez was literary overthrow from Power in 2002 , when just a dozen of civilians form the opposition were killed by snipers in an anti government protest (yes just like in kiev) .and western backed opposition media fooled the civilians to think Chavez gave the order..to shoot at civilians.. he was kicked from power in less than 48 hours..    This should tell you how much intolerance there are for bandits that shows no respect for human life.  and generals in the army loyal to chavez turned against him quickly.. because they were fooled by the lies of opposition media.. Later however many of the same generals that overthrow him.. help him to get in power again after they learn they were fooled.. ,All said .. In Latin America today ,that is heavily Catholic christian ,the average norm is value for human life , and there is ZERO tolerance to bandits like Poroshenko and anyone in kiev..Who use the army to kill their own people. it will be IMPOSSIBLE for anyone of them to stand a chance in Power after bombing civilians in the country.  And im amazed how in Poland and baltic States ,so called "Christian Cathotlic Nations" can support kiev after their bombing of schools , hospitals and civilians in eastern ukraine.

Simply today an Euromaidan will be IMPOSSIBLE to happen in latin america..Any president that
is discovered of causing the life of a single innocent civilian and is proven beyond doubt he did
it , is a finished government.. Today the tolerance for Bandits is ZERO.. And people like Poroshenko will not last a minute in power after a family is killed by a military operation being lead by the government.

Cowboy's daughter wrote: Graham W Phillips @GrahamWP_UK  ·  2h 2 hours ago

На дороге в Горловку. / On the road to Gorlovka.