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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

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    Post  gregoire Fri May 29, 2015 10:12 am

    whir wrote:The plot thickens...

    The Insider via Google Translate wrote:Голова прикордонників заявляє про військову загрозу з Придністров'я
    Head guards said the military threat from Transnistria

    28 MAY 201522:33


    State Border Service said the military threat from the unrecognized Transnistrian Moldovan Republic.

    In an interview with "Channel 5" said the chairman of the State Border Service Viktor Nazarenko.

    "The threat from Transnistria is both military and, say, technology-border ... We believe that this area is threatening about border security," - he said.

    This Nazarenko emphasized that the military threat in this part of the frontier is much smaller than the eastern frontier.

    Much more significant is the problem for border smuggling from Transnistria food and illegal activities of local residents.
    Also difficult in terms of border security at the north and south areas of the border. Continue reading.

    They have to justify their actions but what are they going to do about it? Start another front?
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 10:44 am

    gregoire wrote:They have to justify their actions but what are they going to do about it? Start another front?
    No, but it can be used to justify Odessa's crackdown.
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    Post  Ghoster Fri May 29, 2015 11:03 am

    http://tass.ru/en/world/797402 wrote:MOSCOW, May 28. /TASS/. Russia’s Investigative Committee has opened a criminal case over the shelling of the city of Gorlovka in the Donetsk Region in Ukraine's embattled east by Ukrainian servicemen, Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin said Thursday.

    The Main Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee determined that the crime was punishable under Russian Criminal Code articles "Murder and attempted murder" and "Use of banned means and methods of war."

    According to Russian investigators, on May 26 at about 20:15, unidentified persons from among servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and National Guard, while fulfilling knowingly criminal orders from higher commanders and officials of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry and National Guard, carried out aimed artillery shelling, from heavy armaments with the calibers of at least 122 millimeters having high incapacitating properties, of civil infrastructure facilities which are not military targets in the city of Gorlovka.

    Residential buildings on Planyornaya and Ozeryanovskaya streets, as well as adjacent territory, got into the firing area. As a result, three people, including a girl born in 2004, were killed. Another two people, including a two-year-old child, were wounded.

    "Investigators believe that the attackers pursued the goal to kill an ethnic group of Russian-speaking persons residing in Donbas. They were acting in violation of the protocol on termination of the use of arms in the southeast of Ukraine and a memorandum to it, as well as provisions of a number of international conventions, including the Convention on the Rights of the Child," Markin said.

    He said Russian laws allow the Investigative Committee, in line with part 3 of Article 12 of the Russian Criminal Code, to bring to criminal account foreign nationals who committed a crime beyond the borders of the Russian Federation if the crime is aimed against a Russian national, as well as in cases envisioned by an international treaty of the Russian Federation if the foreign nationals were not convicted in a foreign state.
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    Post  gregoire Fri May 29, 2015 11:26 am

    whir wrote:
    gregoire wrote:They have to justify their actions but what are they going to do about it? Start another front?
    No, but it can be used to justify Odessa's crackdown.

    Maybe that was the idea all along. Because all the other options just don't make sense. Odessans should brace themselves then.
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 12:10 pm

    NV via Google Translate wrote:В Молдове задержали ДНРовца Академика - главаря террористической группы Сомали
    In Moldova, arrested DNRovtsa Academica - the leader of the terrorist group Somalia
    Today, 11:49

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #14 - Page 31 2ymwsqo

    Counterintelligence Security Service of Ukraine together with the special services of the Republic of Moldova have detained "commander" of one of the batteries Somali terrorist group, known academician, who arrived in Chisinau Russian Airlines plane.

    According to the SBU detained the gunman, a resident of Odessa, in the summer of last year was a special military training in one of the polygons near the settlement Makiyivka, Donetsk region under the leadership of the military personnel of the GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces. After finishing the course, he was awarded the rank of officer feykovye "Senior Lieutenant."

    "Action from August 2014 to May 2015 was the commander of the battery as part of its militants of the terrorist group known as the Party Givi. He spent directly attacks and coordinate fire on the positions of the antiterrorist operations that are deployed in areas of the Donetsk airport, the settlement snowy, Ilovaysk , Debaltseve and Avdeevka, "- said in a statement.

    During the search, the security services seized a detainee Ukrainian passport and documents proving his participation in the fighting on the side of the so-called terrorists DNR: "Identity lichnostistarshogo Lieutenant," Background "Defense Ministry" DNI ", which indicates a loss of Academician by the fighting of documents proving his identity and" a leave a note, "signed by the leader of his terrorist group.

    Also insurgent "seized" with a few sets of uniforms with chevrons first separate battalion tactical groups of Somalia and groups Givi chevrons Armed Forces.

    The terrorists also seized things that suggest the possible involvement of the Russian special services to the insurgent sabotage and subversive activities: military topographic maps of the Donetsk region and district of the village Amvrosievka indicating the locations of the military formations of the APU, landfill space image with marked landmarks, two flash drive with specific information "military formations DNI" vulture access restrictions "for official use only" and "The Secret", nineteen memory cards to a personal computer, two SIM cards Ukrainian mobile operator, USB-modem Russian mobile operator, the key to the safe and metal printing.

    The arrested insurgent delivered to Ukraine. Continue pressing operational and investigative activities.

    It is noted that the Security Service of Ukraine will continue to carry out joint operations with the Moldovan counterparts, aimed at combating terrorism in both countries.

    Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Горсовет Лисичанска отказался признать ДНР и ЛНР террористами
    Lisichansk City Council refused to recognize the DPR and LPR by terrorists
    Today, 10:56

    Lisichanskiy deputies of the city council at a meeting on May 28 refused to recognize the NPT and LC terrorist organizations, according to the island.

    Start session picketed public of the city. According to the site front page, in front of the city council were two groups of people who identified themselves as "representatives of the territorial community." The first group required to accept LC and DNI terrorist organizations, and Russia - the aggressor country.

    The second group - tenants of the house №17 quarter of the October Revolution, in which as a result of being hit by a projectile June 23, 2014 a fire started. Water to quench it was not there, because of the fighting rescuers could not do their job. The house burned for three days. Overheating hit overlap two of the three entrances. As a result of the fire, remained homeless for more than 72 families, and the issue of compensation for destroyed housing, the state has not solved until now.

    At the beginning of the session of the City Council deputy Oleg Kostryukov proposed to amend the agenda the question of recognition of the LC / DNI terroresticheskimi organizations, and the Russian Federation as an aggressor country.

    Secretary of the city council, Mikhail Vlasov said: "According to the regulations issues on the agenda should be made no later than one day before the session, and because this matter has not been submitted, the deputies propose to vote on making the issue on the agenda."

    From the present 24 (out of 42) Lisichanskiy elected deputies voted as follows: "for" the agenda of -13, "abstained" - 9 "against" - 2 (members Gatilov and Fomenko).

    In response, some public figures in the hall stood up and shouted: "Gantba!", "Down with Gang!".

    Earlier Dnipropetrovsk Regional State Administration has recognized Russia as the aggressor , and the DNI and LC - terrorist organizations. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:НБУ признал неплатежеспособным еще один банк
    NBU declared insolvent another bank
    Today, 11:28

    Today, May 29, the National Bank of Ukraine took PJSC Ukrainian professional bank (UPB) to the category of insolvent.

    According to the regulator, the facts have been established, which showed that the implementation of the UPB risk activity that threatens the interests of depositors and other creditors of the bank.

    It is the deterioration of asset quality, depending on the inter-bank resources and liquidity shortage. Now the bank is classified as problematic and there was appointed curator - an employee of the National Bank.

    In NBU note that shareholders were not attempts to stabilize the situation and took into account comments authorities on immediate financial recovery of the bank.
    Therefore, the financial condition of UPB worse: he is not fulfilling its obligations under the interbank loans that violate the banking legislation, including regulations of the NBU.

    In addition, the National Bank of Ukraine began to receive numerous complaints regarding the failure / delay in meeting obligations to clients.

    According to the NBU, as of May 29, 2015 in Ukraine there are 131 Bank (excluding banks, which introduced a temporary administration), of which 40 - with foreign capital. As part of the purification process of the banking system during 2014 - 2015 years NBU took 49 decisions on referring to the category of insolvent banks, including in 2015 - 16. In the last two years have been liquidated and their licenses revoked 38 banks. Total to date in this category is 13 insolvent banks under liquidation - 43 banks. Continue reading.

    Novosti DN via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко собрался в Донецкую область - он посетит Славянск (обновлено)
    Poroshenko met in Donetsk region - he will visit Slavyansk (updated)
    11:30 / 05/29/2015 - News of Donbass

    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko scheduled for today's visit to Donetsk region.

    At the same time according to journalist Andrei Romanenko in Facebook , the presence of journalists is expected.

    As it became known today, May 29, Slavyansk visit President Peter Porshenko Continue reading.

    novayagazeta wrote:Sergeant Alexander in an interview with Paul Kanygin told about the visit of Consul

    057 via Google Translate wrote:Подробности ночного возгорания машины волонтера: в автомобиль кинули «коктейль Молотова»
    Details Night volunteer fire machine: in the car threw "Molotov cocktails"
    11:42 05/29/2015

    n the car threw a bottle with a "Molotov cocktail".

    As the son of the owner of the machine Alex Kosharnaya, not an explosion was heard, but rather cotton from a broken bottle.

    "At 23:27 I heard a sound like a smashed bottle. Bang was heard. Rescuers were unable to put out the fire with fire extinguishers, as the fire came from the bottom. Firefighters put out as best we could," - said Alexey.

    The host machine is Kosharnaya Alexander, director of "Harkovspetsmash" which makes unloading and various mounting kits for fighters in the area of ​​the ATO.

    "We help constantly" Azov ", the 92nd and the 93rd Brigade, friends with different funds. This clearly was arson, - added Alex. - An expert from the Ministry of Emergency Situations said that clearly arson on the left side under the front left wheel."

    Volunteer added that it will not prevent him to continue to help the soldiers, and such cases - not a reason to stop. Continue reading.
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    Post  gregoire Fri May 29, 2015 12:15 pm

    whir wrote:
    NV via Google Translate wrote:В Молдове задержали ДНРовца Академика - главаря террористической группы Сомали
    In Moldova, arrested DNRovtsa Academica - the leader of the terrorist group Somalia
    Today, 11:49

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #14 - Page 31 2ymwsqo

    Counterintelligence Security Service of Ukraine together with the special services of the Republic of Moldova have detained "commander" of one of the batteries Somali terrorist group, known academician, who arrived in Chisinau Russian Airlines plane.

    According to the SBU detained the gunman, a resident of Odessa, in the summer of last year was a special military training in one of the polygons near the settlement Makiyivka, Donetsk region under the leadership of the military personnel of the GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces. After finishing the course, he was awarded the rank of officer feykovye "Senior Lieutenant."

    "Action from August 2014 to May 2015 was the commander of the battery as part of its militants of the terrorist group known as the Party Givi. He spent directly attacks and coordinate fire on the positions of the antiterrorist operations that are deployed in areas of the Donetsk airport, the settlement snowy, Ilovaysk , Debaltseve and Avdeevka, "- said in a statement.

    During the search, the security services seized a detainee Ukrainian passport and documents proving his participation in the fighting on the side of the so-called terrorists DNR: "Identity lichnostistarshogo Lieutenant," Background "Defense Ministry" DNI ", which indicates a loss of Academician by the fighting of documents proving his identity and" a leave a note, "signed by the leader of his terrorist group.

    Also insurgent "seized" with a few sets of uniforms with chevrons first separate battalion tactical groups of Somalia and groups Givi chevrons Armed Forces.

    The terrorists also seized things that suggest the possible involvement of the Russian special services to the insurgent sabotage and subversive activities: military topographic maps of the Donetsk region and district of the village Amvrosievka indicating the locations of the military formations of the APU, landfill space image with marked landmarks, two flash drive with specific information "military formations DNI" vulture access restrictions "for official use only" and "The Secret", nineteen memory cards to a personal computer, two SIM cards Ukrainian mobile operator, USB-modem Russian mobile operator, the key to the safe and metal printing.

    The arrested insurgent delivered to Ukraine. Continue pressing operational and investigative activities.

    It is noted that the Security Service of Ukraine will continue to carry out joint operations with the Moldovan counterparts, aimed at combating terrorism in both countries.

    Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:Горсовет Лисичанска отказался признать ДНР и ЛНР террористами
    Lisichansk City Council refused to recognize the DPR and LPR by terrorists
    Today, 10:56

    Lisichanskiy deputies of the city council at a meeting on May 28 refused to recognize the NPT and LC terrorist organizations, according to the island.

    Start session picketed public of the city. According to the site front page, in front of the city council were two groups of people who identified themselves as "representatives of the territorial community." The first group required to accept LC and DNI terrorist organizations, and Russia - the aggressor country.

    The second group - tenants of the house №17 quarter of the October Revolution, in which as a result of being hit by a projectile June 23, 2014 a fire started. Water to quench it was not there, because of the fighting rescuers could not do their job. The house burned for three days. Overheating hit overlap two of the three entrances. As a result of the fire, remained homeless for more than 72 families, and the issue of compensation for destroyed housing, the state has not solved until now.

    At the beginning of the session of the City Council deputy Oleg Kostryukov proposed to amend the agenda the question of recognition of the LC / DNI terroresticheskimi organizations, and the Russian Federation as an aggressor country.

    Secretary of the city council, Mikhail Vlasov said: "According to the regulations issues on the agenda should be made no later than one day before the session, and because this matter has not been submitted, the deputies propose to vote on making the issue on the agenda."

    From the present 24 (out of 42) Lisichanskiy elected deputies voted as follows: "for" the agenda of -13, "abstained" - 9 "against" - 2 (members Gatilov and Fomenko).

    In response, some public figures in the hall stood up and shouted: "Gantba!", "Down with Gang!".

    Earlier Dnipropetrovsk Regional State Administration has recognized Russia as the aggressor , and the DNI and LC - terrorist organizations. Continue reading.

    NV via Google Translate wrote:НБУ признал неплатежеспособным еще один банк
    NBU declared insolvent another bank
    Today, 11:28

    Today, May 29, the National Bank of Ukraine took PJSC Ukrainian professional bank (UPB) to the category of insolvent.

    According to the regulator, the facts have been established, which showed that the implementation of the UPB risk activity that threatens the interests of depositors and other creditors of the bank.

    It is the deterioration of asset quality, depending on the inter-bank resources and liquidity shortage. Now the bank is classified as problematic and there was appointed curator - an employee of the National Bank.

    In NBU note that shareholders were not attempts to stabilize the situation and took into account comments authorities on immediate financial recovery of the bank.
    Therefore, the financial condition of UPB worse: he is not fulfilling its obligations under the interbank loans that violate the banking legislation, including regulations of the NBU.

    In addition, the National Bank of Ukraine began to receive numerous complaints regarding the failure / delay in meeting obligations to clients.

    According to the NBU, as of May 29, 2015 in Ukraine there are 131 Bank (excluding banks, which introduced a temporary administration), of which 40 - with foreign capital. As part of the purification process of the banking system during 2014 - 2015 years NBU took 49 decisions on referring to the category of insolvent banks, including in 2015 - 16. In the last two years have been liquidated and their licenses revoked 38 banks. Total to date in this category is 13 insolvent banks under liquidation - 43 banks.  Continue reading.

    Novosti DN via Google Translate wrote:Порошенко собрался в Донецкую область - он посетит Славянск (обновлено)
    Poroshenko met in Donetsk region - he will visit Slavyansk (updated)
    11:30 / 05/29/2015 - News of Donbass

    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko scheduled for today's visit to Donetsk region.

    At the same time according to journalist Andrei Romanenko in Facebook , the presence of journalists is expected.

    As it became known today, May 29, Slavyansk visit President Peter Porshenko Continue reading.

    novayagazeta wrote:Sergeant Alexander in an interview with Paul Kanygin told about the visit of Consul

    057 via Google Translate wrote:Подробности ночного возгорания машины волонтера: в автомобиль кинули «коктейль Молотова»
    Details Night volunteer fire machine: in the car threw "Molotov cocktails"
    11:42 05/29/2015

    n the car threw a bottle with a "Molotov cocktail".

    As the son of the owner of the machine Alex Kosharnaya, not an explosion was heard, but rather cotton from a broken bottle.

    "At 23:27 I heard a sound like a smashed bottle. Bang was heard. Rescuers were unable to put out the fire with fire extinguishers, as the fire came from the bottom. Firefighters put out as best we could," - said Alexey.

    The host machine is Kosharnaya Alexander, director of "Harkovspetsmash" which makes unloading and various mounting kits for fighters in the area of ​​the ATO.

    "We help constantly" Azov ", the 92nd and the 93rd Brigade, friends with different funds. This clearly was arson, - added Alex. - An expert from the Ministry of Emergency Situations said that clearly arson on the left side under the front left wheel."

    Volunteer added that it will not prevent him to continue to help the soldiers, and such cases - not a reason to stop. Continue reading.

    Maybe it's just my perception but lately a lot of LPR and DPR militiamen get caught. Almost like there's a mole within novorossiya.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 29, 2015 12:26 pm

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    Flagship Victory wrote:Or, Maidan could be warning Russia. If Russia sends troops to help Donbas when Maidan launches attack on Donbas, then Maidan and Moldova would pincer invade Transnistria. This way, Maidan can take Donbas without Russia interfering.

    What makes you think that Moldova even wants to be part of this mess?
    One way or the other Kiev is doomed no matter where they start their collective suicide....

    Moldova has a democratically elected (by Moldovan standards), pragmatic government that has maintained cordial ties with Russia and avoided making any provocations; but nonetheless it is very much a EU-supportive one owned by oligarchs with financial ties to Western institutes, and will do what the West tells it to do.

    I have my doubts (albeit it's possible) that Porko would take any risks in regards to blockading Pridnestrovie w/o at least Western approval/complicity, and if he has that, than that same approval can take the form of an order to Moldova's government; and it appears that this is exactly what's happening - Moldova and the Ukraine are very much co-ordinating their latest moves against the Pridnestrovian territory.

    For Moldova this does make some sense outside of simply going along with the EU's plans - in fact its possible that it and the Ukraine are going at it independently.
    This is because the popularity of the ruling govenrment there is plummeting - and support for Custom's Union entry now exceeds support for EU entry by a good margin, if the latest figures are to be believed.

    Pro-Union with Romania rallies have been getting bigger and more active lately, as Moldova's government steps up its activities and uses its instruments. The constitutional block on advocating any foreign policy course other than EU entry can also be employed in the future against the pro-Russian parties.
    Meanwhile, reigniting the Pridnestrovian conflict, or at least bringing it to the forefront of affairs - would enable the current government to unite its people against a foreign threat, and take their minds off its poor performance and broken promises.


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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 12:30 pm

    gregoire wrote:Maybe it's just my perception but lately a lot of LPR and DPR militiamen get caught. Almost like there's a mole within novorossiya.
    Truth be told is not like they are trying to hide using forged documents or fake identities, social networks can be a double edged sword in many cases specially if you're not careful enough.

    Another example from today:

    NV via Google Translate wrote:СБУ задержала 18-летнего боевика из "Всевеликого войска Донского"
    SBU detained the 18-year-old militant of the "Great Don Army"
    Today, 12:49

    Counterintelligence Security Service of Ukraine in the area of ​​anti-terrorist operation arrested 18-year resident of Krasnoarmeysk Donetsk region, said the SBU.

    It was found that since March this year attacker served in an illegal armed formation of so-called Great Don Army. After the dissolution of the said NFP gunman returned home.

    Materials illegal activity detainee transferred to the State MVDU in the Donetsk region, where criminal proceedings were registered under Part. 1 tbsp. 258-3 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (the creation of a terrorist group or a terrorist organization, the leadership of such a group or organization or participation therein).

    Sanction this Article punishable by imprisonment for a term of eight to 15 years.

    As reported, the Ukrainian Security Service counterintelligence, together with the special services of the Republic of Moldova have detained "commander" of one of the batteries Somali terrorist group , known academician, who arrived in Chisinau Russian Airlines plane. Continue reading.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 29, 2015 12:32 pm

    As reported, the Ukrainian Security Service counterintelligence, together with the special services of the Republic of Moldova have detained "commander" of one of the batteries Somali terrorist group , known academician, who arrived in Chisinau Russian Airlines plane.

    Another example of growing Ukrainian-Moldovan complicity.

    The Moldovan people have to act and make their disapproval known to their government; before it involves them in the Ukrainian mess via joint-provocations with the Ukraine against Pridnestrovie.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri May 29, 2015 12:51 pm

    Maidan reports 1 Maidan soldier KIA and 6 more WIA yesterday.

    The US says even if Russia lets Donbas fall to Maidan, sanctions on Crimea will remain until Russia returns Crimea to Maidan.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/pyatt-says-us-crimea-sanctions-to-remain-in-place-regardless-of-russias-actions-in-eastern-ukraine-389801.html
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    Post  Neutrality Fri May 29, 2015 12:55 pm

    Russians should troll back. Ask back for Alaska or raise some questions about the small amount paid.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri May 29, 2015 12:56 pm

    gregoire wrote:Maybe it's just my perception but lately a lot of LPR and DPR militiamen get caught. Almost like there's a mole within novorossiya.

    Methinks Maidan is getting desperate and detaining innocent civilians branding them as terrorists to show to the masses that yes Russians are the evil bad guys bent on ruining your lives. Shocked I don't trust anything out of Maidan these days. Ukraine is as crazy a state as it can get.
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 1:06 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Methinks Maidan is getting desperate and detaining innocent civilians branding them as terrorists to show to the masses that yes Russians are the evil bad guys bent on ruining your lives. Shocked  I don't trust anything out of Maidan these days. Ukraine is as crazy a state as it can get.
    Sorry to burst your bubble but those detentions are as real as it can get.
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    Post  Khepesh Fri May 29, 2015 1:09 pm

    This has been posted today on topwar, "Letter from a former Russian friend". It is fictional and is to all Ukranians who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed with lies about what is happeneing now, what has happened in the past and about who they really are, Russians. It is strong and emotional and brutally honest, so much that some , a few, do not like it, but perhaps because they do not understand, or have little knowledge or do not like the idea of liberating Kiev eventually. Russian only, but I put it thro google and it is not too bad, the sense of what is written is preserved. It is too open their eyes and shame them, but they will not read....
    http://topwar.ru/75889-pismo-byvshemu-russkomu-drugu.html
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    Post  max steel Fri May 29, 2015 1:18 pm

    Most breaking news : US planning to nominate Poroshenko for Nobel Peace Prize . :O


    http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=1327 Not the onion .
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    Post  Pinto Fri May 29, 2015 2:22 pm

    US is one of the most arrogant and selfish country and its hell bent on provoking Russia, Noble price to this man for what ? starting tensions with Russia while licking the balls of West/US. Noble price has already lost in relevance because of this type rubbish biased selections
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri May 29, 2015 2:26 pm

    Please do not surprise. Anybody remember this Peace Prize laureate ?

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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 3:03 pm

    NV via Google Translate wrote:СМИ: Кредиторы предложили Украине отложить погашение долгов на 4 года
    Media: Lenders have offered Ukraine to defer repayment of debts for 4 years
    Today, 15:18

    The international lenders in Ukraine, including the largest of them Franklin Templeton, Kiev offered to restructure the debt through an exchange for new paper and extend the repayment period up to 2025.

    According to Bloomberg , citing a source familiar with the offer, the group, which owns about 8.9 billion debt Ukraine has submitted its proposal on May 9. It proposes to begin a seven-year repayment of Ukrainian debt since 2019

    Lenders argue that the plan is consistent with the rescue package of the International Monetary Fund.

    According to calculations the source, the proposed extension of the bond will allow Ukraine to save $ 15.8 billion over the period until the end of 2018.

    "This is a concrete proposal which will help Ukraine to get through the next few years without the need for the de facto default. The script will allow Ukraine to access the bond markets this year" - said the head of research at Emerging Markets Commerzbank AG Simon Quijano-Evans, in London.

    The publication notes that while the Finance Minister Natalia Yaresko believes that lenders "need to" take a loss of about $ 20 billion in debt, bondholders believe such a scenario is arbitrary and politically motivated.

    Recall, May 27, Finance Minister Natalia Yaresko said that negotiations with creditors of Ukraine in the near future may move from the stage of consultations between the two parties hired advisers to block direct meetings.

    Meanwhile, on May 28 the President Poroshenko signed adopted by the Parliament on May 19 laws to the Cabinet of Ministers to introduce a moratorium on the payment of debts to external commercial creditors. Continue reading.

    057 via Google Translate wrote:Суд присудил медсестре, избивавшей ногами евромайдановцев, полтора года тюрьмы
    The court awarded the nurse kicked evromaydanovtsev a half years in prison
    15:36 05/29/2015

    Vorzheinova sentenced to 1.5 years in prison.

    According to the press service of the Prosecutor of Kharkiv region, today the Court of Appeal upheld the bulk of the verdict of the first instance of Olga Vorzheinovoy.

    Woman found guilty under the article "hooliganism" and upheld the sentence of 1.5 years of restraint of liberty.

    Recall that the nurse was accused that evromaydanovtsa finished off on the steps of the subway.

    In April 2014 during major protests clashes between pro-Russian and Ukrainian supporters. Continue reading.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 29, 2015 3:18 pm

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    The 2015 Congress of the Humanities and Social Sciences opens at the University of Ottawa on Saturday. I'll present my paper on the role of the Ukrainian far right in the "Euromaidan," the Maidan and Odesa massacres, the civil war in Donbas, and elections at a Canadian Association of Slavists panel on the opening day. http://congress2015.ca/


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    Ukrainian police official openly calls to extermination of civilians in Donbass We would like the entire world to see the true face of Ukraine, the officials of which are openly, shamelessly publicizing their cannibal, totally Nazi ideas! Here is the freshest example. These are, just imagine, the words of a police official, and the task of police is to safeguard law and order and protect the rights of citizens, stated by the Constitution! Illya Kyva, executive head of the General Board of the Ministry of the Interior of Ukraine in the Donetsk region, wrote on his page in Facebook: "I appeal to public organizations and activists of the city of Kiev: block the traffic of buses that belong to "Sheriff-Tour" Ltd along the route Kiev-Donetsk and Donetsk-Kiev, as they facilitate the spread of the terrorist scum and plague all over the territory of Ukraine!!!! Р.S. Were that up to me, I would shoot these travellers to the DPR, the lovers of referendums and Ukrainian POWs parades ... Only the tough stand of the society will force Donbass to sober up!!!! There are no shades and hues any longer! We only have OUR SIDE and the ENEMY!!! Only this way we will conquer this plague!!!!!" Foreign readers should know, that every person travelling across the demarcation line should apply for a special pass issued by the Security Service of Ukraine in the 10-day term. At times it takes several weeks to obtain such a pass. Thus, people who have close relatives in the territory under Kiev control, have to go through real ordeals before they can see their near and dear. And only those people are allowed to pass, who had been checked and double checked and have been recognized as having no connection to "terrorists". And still, Kiev junta craves their extermination. What is it if not genocide? wrote:
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    Post  whir Fri May 29, 2015 3:50 pm

    Pravda UA via Google Translate wrote:СБУ затримала члена "МГБ ДНР", який намагався втекти до Росії
    BU detained a member of the "MGB NPT" who tried to flee to Russia
    Friday, May 29, 2015, 16:25

    In the Kharkiv region Security Service detained a member of the so-called illegal armed formation "Ministry of State Security of the NPT."

    This Friday, informs the press-service agency .

    It is reported that 29-year-old attacker in October last year after undergoing appropriate training militants issued a weapon and put a guard building in Donetsk, where illegally leaders were terrorists.

    In addition, the man defended and promoted the separation of the local population of Donetsk region of Ukraine and creation on its territory psevdoderzhavnoho education, noted the SBU.

    Security Service, together with border guards detained the attacker Ukraine on the state border while trying to flee to Russia.

    Investigators of the SBU in the Kharkiv region launched criminal proceedings under Art. 110 (encroachment on territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine) of the Criminal Code of Ukraine.

    He announced on suspicion of committing the above offense. Continue reading.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 29, 2015 3:57 pm

    Ukrainian president visits Donetsk region

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    KIEV, May 29. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has arrived on a working visit to Donbas, the Ukrainian leader’s press service said on Friday. "Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has begun a working trip to the Donetsk region," the statement said. Poroshenko has pledged to pay 5 million hryvnia ($240,000) to the areas controlled by Kiev in the Donetsk region, the 112.ua TV channel has reported. Speaking to the employees of a machine-building plant in Kramatorsk, in eastern Ukraine, Poroshenko reiterated that he would hold a dialogue "only with those persons who will be elected by the Donetsk region citizens at the upcoming local polls." Poroshenko told the 8th Kiev security forum on Thursday that he would hold a dialogue only with "the other Donbas." Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk also said Kiev was ready to talk to the DPR and LPR leaders "only when they are behind bars." The Donetsk republic’s envoy at the Minsk talks, Denis Pushilin, expressed concerns over this Ukrainian leader’s statement saying it comes ahead of the June 2 meeting of the Contact Group. "Poroshenko by his statements denounces his signature that he put in Minsk upon the guarantees of Germany and France and announced plans to comply with the Minsk agreements. Now he says that he is not going to do this," Pushilin said. wrote:

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri May 29, 2015 4:10 pm



    Kiev’s Repression of Anti-Fascism in Odessa

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/27/kievs-repression-of-anti-fascism-in-odessa/

    by ERIC DRAITSER

    There is a common misconception in the West that there is only one war in Ukraine: a war between the anti-Kiev rebels of the East, and the US-backed government in Kiev. While this conflict, with all its attendant geopolitical and strategic implications has stolen the majority of the headlines, there is another war raging in the country – a war to crush all dissent and opposition to the fascist-oligarch consensus. For while in the West many so called analysts and leftists debate whether there is really fascism in Ukraine or whether it’s all just “Russian propaganda,” a brutal war of political repression is taking place. ...read more at link....
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 29, 2015 7:26 pm

    flamming_python wrote:.......................................................................

    Moldova has a democratically elected (by Moldovan standards), pragmatic government that has maintained cordial ties with Russia and avoided making any provocations; but nonetheless it is very much a EU-supportive one owned by oligarchs with financial ties to Western institutes, and will do what the West tells it to do.

    I have my doubts (albeit it's possible) that Porko would take any risks in regards to blockading Pridnestrovie w/o at least Western approval/complicity, and if he has that, than that same approval can take the form of an order to Moldova's government; and it appears that this is exactly what's happening - Moldova and the Ukraine are very much co-ordinating their latest moves against the Pridnestrovian territory.

    For Moldova this does make some sense outside of simply going along with the EU's plans - in fact its possible that it and the Ukraine are going at it independently.
    This is because the popularity of the ruling govenrment there is plummeting - and support for Custom's Union entry now exceeds support for EU entry by a good margin, if the latest figures are to be believed.


    Pro-Union with Romania rallies have been getting bigger and more active lately, as Moldova's government steps up its activities and uses its instruments. The constitutional block on advocating any foreign policy course other than EU entry can also be employed in the future against the pro-Russian parties.
    Meanwhile, reigniting the Pridnestrovian conflict, or at least bringing it to the forefront of affairs - would enable the current government to unite its people against a foreign threat, and take their minds off its poor performance and broken promises.

    Definitely agree that Moldovan government might gain from reigniting conflict in Transdnistria but potential losses far outweigh the gains. If their popularity is so low they risk being kicked out for agreeing to such (very colossal) mess.

    On top of everything Transdistria is not the only part of Moldova that is not too thrilled with the fact that they are part of Moldova. Lots of moving parts over there.

    They may be coordinating actions with Ukraine but these days it would be safer to coordinate with North Korea than with Ukraine.  

    Which brings us back to Ukraine. Like you said, if they do anything over there that means they will be engaging Russian soldiers. Real ones.
    And that means that Russian pilots will be ticking items of the target list over East Ukraine within couple of hours.
    And that would be just the first couple of hours... Twisted Evil
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 29, 2015 7:33 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Maidan reports 1 Maidan soldier KIA and 6 more WIA yesterday.

    The US says even if Russia lets Donbas fall to Maidan, sanctions on Crimea will remain until Russia returns Crimea to Maidan.


    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/pyatt-says-us-crimea-sanctions-to-remain-in-place-regardless-of-russias-actions-in-eastern-ukraine-389801.html

    And like many of us said before about sanctions: Russia. Does. Not. Give. A. Fck. Anymore...

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