The Situation in the Ukraine. #14

sepheronx wrote:So Mozgovoi was already replaced prior to his death? Who is the commander of Ghost now?

Yuri Shevchenko. On my understanding Mozgovoi had not been replaced just before he was killed, it is a misunderstanding caused by some commentators saying that at the time of his death there was no commander of Prizrak, when they should have said that Prizrak was left without a commander.

Update. Maidan claimed responsibility for assassination of Mozgovoi.

http://tass.ru/en/world/796453

Ivan the Colorado wrote:So are the Rebels planning to fight back anytime soon? I want to see the Hohols get massacred like they did in Iloviask or Debaltsevo, they've been asking for it for too long.

Before fighting back it is necessary for the prey to stumble into the trap. A week ago it was forecast to begin in three weeks, nothing has significantly changed to say that the countdown has changed, and it is now two weeks to go, perhaps 5 to 7 June. I'm not swearing on this....

Edit: Early June is not my forecast. I forecast back in February that war will resume in late July or early August, and that gives 8 weeks to put VSN tank in front of Mariinsky palace by end of September, plenty of time....

Azov fascists got new tanks, looks like the same T-64 variant that Ukraine was selling to Kenya before Maidan started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9JWWfXvQdoA

Correction. 1 Maidan NG fascist KIA and two others WIA in Shirokino today.

http://news.yahoo.com/shelling-halts-production-avdiyivka-coke-plant-east-ukraine-074441527--finance.html

Flagship Victory wrote:Azov fascists got new tanks, looks like the same T-64 variant that Ukraine was selling to Kenya before Maidan started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9JWWfXvQdoA

T-64B-1M originally built for Congo

Khepesh wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Azov fascists got new tanks, looks like the same T-64 variant that Ukraine was selling to Kenya before Maidan started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9JWWfXvQdoA

T-64B-1M originally built for Congo

IMO the fascists are forcing the people of Kharkov to build tanks for the genocide. Kharkov building Oplot M tanks for the genocide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjkhDIMSsmc

Khepesh wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Azov fascists got new tanks, looks like the same T-64 variant that Ukraine was selling to Kenya before Maidan started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9JWWfXvQdoA

T-64B-1M originally built for Congo

Or as Book would famously say: "T-64 monk model no good"

Keep an eye on the situation with Greece. Alot depends on whether or not the EU + IMF reach a deal with the Greeks. This is how I see it: The IMF and the EU cannot bail out Ukraine and let Greece default on its debt. If it happens though, it's going to steer all kinds of shitstorms in the European Parliament alone, not even to mention the press. Why bail out a country which is not even part of the EU and let a EU-member sink into a hole? They can't bail out both IMHO or anti-EU/anti-IMF activism will ignite in Europe because people will be sick and tired when alien countries get financed with their money. I can't quite speculate what happens if the EU + IMF do reach a deal with Kiev. Maybe they will force Kiev to finally respect the Minsk II agreements and concentrate on the economy rather than continuing the war in Donbass.

There's also the 3 billion dollars Kiev owes to Moscow. That is, in my eyes, how Moscow holds a powerful extra leverage over Kiev when they are -this- close to default.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Khepesh wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:Azov fascists got new tanks, looks like the same T-64 variant that Ukraine was selling to Kenya before Maidan started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9JWWfXvQdoA

T-64B-1M originally built for Congo

Or as Book would famously say: "T-64 monk model no good"

monkey model for......

At the end of the day, as long as there are people, food, water, resources, the conflict will continue. Money, default, well, that's all virtual reality, they can't be touched by hands. The only way to stop the killing is stop hoping Maidan will collapse. It won't. It's a CIA project. NAF has to take Kiev for the killing to stop.

Aidar Battalion fighter Serhiy Schehlov has been released today as a gesture of good will after 7 months of captivity. Releasing the 93rd brigade commander a day before Mozgovoi's death and now this? Explain to me, why does NAF release fascist captives out of gestures of good will whereas fascists do not return the favor?

Flagship Victory wrote:

Khepesh wrote:.................................

T-64B-1M originally built for Congo

IMO the fascists are forcing the people of Kharkov to build tanks for the genocide. Kharkov building Oplot M tanks for the genocide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjkhDIMSsmc

Kid, nobody is forcing them to do anything, they are perfectly happy to build those tanks and pick up a fat (by Ukrop standards) paycheck. Money>Principles.

This is why Novorossia needs to worry strictly about it's own sh*t and ignore everything else. Same goes for Russia.

You are extremely naive person...

PapaDragon wrote:Kid, nobody is forcing them to do anything, they are perfectly happy to build those tanks and pick up a fat (by Ukrop standards) paycheck. Money>Principles.

This is why Novorossia needs to worry strictly about it's own sh*t and ignore everything else. Same goes for Russia.

You are extremely naive person...

Kharkov is an occupied city. Don't forget Kharkov only became a part of Ukraine in the 1920s. The people of Kharkov are overwhelmingly Russian. Heck, back in early March last year protestors of Kharkov took over the administration building. It was only because of Putin's neglect that the uprising in Kharkov was suppressed. I believe the people of Kharkov do not wish to build tanks for the genocide but have no choice but to do so because fascists point guns at them and they would be killed if they do not build tanks for the genocide.

http://rt.com/news/kharkov-nationalists-administration-police-506/

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Or as Book would famously say: "T-64 monk model no good"

T-64 monkey die fast

Flagship Victory wrote:At the end of the day, as long as there are people, food, water, resources, the conflict will continue. Money, default, well, that's all virtual reality, they can't be touched by hands. The only way to stop the killing is stop hoping Maidan will collapse. It won't. It's a CIA project. NAF has to take Kiev for the killing to stop.

And this is where we disagree.. As was explained to you before.. Invading kiev with Tanks
Will NOT end ,the war.. the Right Sector and all ultra nationalist will continue being helped by
NATO with money and weapons to fight a Vietnam resistant war. Soviets invaded Afganistan
and took the capital..and placed a puppet government.. and what happened later? Americans began to finance and arm radicals to make very costly the invasion for Russia.. one decade later
Russia is forced to leave losing all they fought..  

Russia needs the support of Europe to REALLY end the war of kiev..Russia cannot stop Americans from giving weapons to criminals in Ukraine to fight Russia. But the EU can do it..
by simply saying if US continues fueling the war in ukraine ,that they will leave NATO..
 If Russia invade.. an ethnic cleansing of Russian people will start in all cities..  So you will have the opposite of what you intended. that was to protect Russian people..  The cost of Russia invading all Cities in Ukraine to protect Russians and later maintain its economy and energy needs for free?

Russia is not the economic super power of US ..and do not have the capabilities to stay
10 years in a foreign country.. lose 1 Trillion US dollars in the war and continue the nation operating like nothing happened.

Eventually.. Even if , you want Russia to invade.. the best moment for them to do it ..
is when Ukraine economy collapse.. and that the cities are full of angry people demanding
Poroshenko to leave.. thats when will be less bad to invade.. When kiev lose the support of its
people and Europe really tired of kiev.

Neutrality wrote:There's also the 3 billion dollars Kiev owes to Moscow. That is, in my eyes, how Moscow holds a powerful extra leverage over Kiev when they -this- close to default.

That eurobond is going to be labeled "private debt" by IMF, the only leverage is go to court since it's under British law so any obvious trickery can backfire against The City.

Regular wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Or as Book would famously say: "T-64 monk model no good"

T-64 monkey die fast

T-64 monkey no good VS Russ-bear

Flagship Victory wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Kid, nobody is forcing them to do anything, they are perfectly happy to build those tanks and pick up a fat (by Ukrop standards) paycheck. Money>Principles.

This is why Novorossia needs to worry strictly about it's own sh*t and ignore everything else. Same goes for Russia.

You are extremely naive person...

Kharkov is an occupied city. Don't forget Kharkov only became a part of Ukraine in the 1920s. The people of Kharkov are overwhelmingly Russian. Heck, back in March last year protestors of Kharkov took over the administration building. It was only because of Putin's neglect that the uprising in Kharkov was suppressed. I believe the people of Kharkov do not wish to build tanks for the genocide but have no choice to do so because fascists point guns at them and they would be killed if they do not build tanks for the genocide.

Oh common, they were supplying weapons, AA with crew to Georgians who were killing Russian peacekeepers and they didn't give a crap. I bet they are the only people happy for this war as now atleast they are relevant and get plenty of job.
You know nothing about Ukrainians then, they are same people who fought with Chechens against Russia.

Vann7 wrote:And this is where we disagree.. As was explained to you before.. Invading kiev with Tanks
Will NOT end ,the war.. the Right Sector and all ultra nationalist will continue being helped by
NATO with money and weapons to fight a Vietnam resistant war. Soviets invaded Afganistan
and took the capital..and placed a puppet government.. and what happened later? Americans began to finance and arm radicals to make very costly the invasion for Russia.. one decade later
Russia is forced to leave losing all they fought..  

Russia needs the support of Europe to REALLY end the war of kiev..Russia cannot stop Americans from giving weapons to criminals in Ukraine to fight Russia. But the EU can do it..
by simply saying if US continues fueling the war in ukraine ,that they will leave NATO..
 If Russia invade.. an ethnic cleansing of Russian people will start in all cities..  So you will have the opposite of what you intended. that was to protect Russian people..  The cost of Russia invading all Cities in Ukraine to protect Russians and later maintain its economy and energy needs for free?

Russia is not the economic super power of US ..and do not have the capabilities to stay
10 years in a foreign country.. lose 1 Trillion US dollars in the war and continue the nation operating like nothing happened.

Same can be said of Chechnya. A few extremists do not a trouble make. Right Sector are western Ukrainians and they are few. They don't even dare touch Crimea. If NAF takes Kiev, Right Sector would have western Ukraine secede rather than fight. They are a bunch of cowards. They are no ISIS.

Flagship Victory wrote:
Same can be said of Chechnya. A few extremists do not a trouble make. Right Sector are western Ukrainians and they are few. They don't even dare touch Crimea. If NAF takes Kiev, Right Sector would have western Ukraine secede rather than fight. They are a bunch of cowards. They are no ISIS.

Not really..
Because chechenia is a near land locked zone inside Russia and NATO could not maintain a supply line to the Chechens. without entering first in Russia territory..


Ukraine in the other hand have Poland ,Romania ,Moldova and hungary and its borders.. a border
that Russia will be Unable to close ever.. it will have to invade Poland to end their supply lines..
and invade western Ukraine..and declare a no fly zone in all Ukraine.. this will be a near state
of war against NATO..

Eventually Russia will be forced to fight if things continue the same way.. i have no doubt..
but the timing for that ,needs to be when all other things failed.. The First thing you will see
in kiev controlled media is thousands of Ukrainians civilians women and children killed by Putin Airforce bombs.. (they will claim).  

But if Russia invade will have to be very limitted.. something like a few air strikes here and there.. on Ukrainian positions that are shelling the Rebels.. with powerful precision bombs. and help the Rebels to do a major counter offensive.

I still think Russia can do a major counter offensive without using its armed forces and push back the ukies away of all Donetsk and Lugansk territories ,using only a new major wave of private mercenaries and volunteers.

Vann7 wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:
Same can be said of Chechnya. A few extremists do not a trouble make. Right Sector are western Ukrainians and they are few. They don't even dare touch Crimea. If NAF takes Kiev, Right Sector would have western Ukraine secede rather than fight. They are a bunch of cowards. They are no ISIS.

Not really..
Because chechenia is a near land locked zone inside Russia and NATO could not maintain a supply line to the Chechens. without entering first in Russia territory..


Ukraine in the other hand have Poland ,Romania ,Moldova and hungary and its borders.. a border
that Russia will be Unable to close ever.. it will have to invade Poland to end their supply lines..
and invade western Ukraine..and declare a no fly zone in all Ukraine.. this will be a near state
of war against NATO..  

Eventually Russia will be forced to fight if things continue the same way.. i have no doubt..
but the timing for that ,needs to be when all other things failed.. The First thing you will see
in kiev controlled media is thousands of Ukrainians civilians women and children killed by Putin Airforce bombs.. (they will claim).  

But if Russia invade will have to be very limitted.. something like a few air strikes here and there.. on Ukrainian positions that are shelling the Rebels.. with powerful precision bombs. and help the Rebels to do a major counter offensive.

I still think Russia can do a major counter offensive without using its armed forces and push back the ukies away of all Donetsk and Lugansk territories ,using only a new major wave of private mercenaries and volunteers.

Poland, Romania would never dare to supply arms to Ukraine. They are not the US. Right Sector are cowards. They don't even dare to fight in Donbas. Let alone Russian troops.

Flagship Victory wrote:. ....................................................

Poland, Romania would never dare to supply arms to Ukraine. They are not the US. Right Sector are cowards. They don't even dare to fight in Donbas. Let alone Russian troops.

They are supplying them at this very moment and have been doing so for nearly a year now...

jhelb wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:
German General Carl Schurz Begins His Investigation of the Post-War South

Cowboy's daughter, my vote for the great insight.

Just one question regarding your link. Why did Germany get involve in the US civil war? IIRC you guys fought against the English right? Or did I dream this.

England, in the Civil War was supposedly neutral, but did help the Confederacy a little.

Prussians also helped the Confederacy some.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia_in_the_American_Civil_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_American_Civil_War

In our Revolutionary war against the English we also fought Hessians, some who were captured refused to leave the country and remained here after the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_%28soldier%29

Germans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_in_the_American_Revolution

Mozgovoy co-fighter speaks about his murder.

Mozgovoy was a true warrior, Putin and other politicians are just in it for the money. I want the Novorossiyan army to just on the offensive but that is not happening because the dam oligarchs are calling the shots. Mozgovoy's death has saddened me because he spoke the truth.


RIP Mozgovoy