The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

collegeboy16 wrote:

gregoire wrote:
In armenia.

still a Russian base hosting Russian troops and equipment. anyway, what this bellingcrap conveniently lefts out is that the most likely launch site determined by AA is somewhere around a Zaroshchenskoe settlement. now it is still under dispute who controlled that area; both sides are saying the other did. so until solid evidence of who did control the area is provided, can someone make a decent conclusion.

AirCargo wrote:Putin visiting the 102nd Russian military base in Armenia, Dec 2013, Behind him is BUK 9M38-M1

Sputnik wrote:Art of Manipulation: Kiev to Create Project to Indoctrinate Donbass
EUROPE 08:28 05.06.2015(updated 10:45 05.06.2015)

Hacktivists from CyberBerkut leaked information claiming that the United States helped Ukraine to come up with a new radio station designed to turn the residents of the self-proclaimed Donbass republics pro-Kiev. The project was also supposed to spread panic and separatist ideas within Russia.

Together with the United States, Kiev created a new project designed to gain support of the population in the self-proclaimed Donbass republics through psychological manipulation and disinformation, Ukrainian hacktivist group CyberBerkut claimed.

The new radio project, codenamed "Free Donbass," was created by US experts to swing the people of the independent Donbas republics towards supporting the government in Kiev.

"The goal is to create a radio station, which besides music will give people 'the proper' and beneficial information to the Kiev junta," a statement on the CyberBerkut website said.

Radios tuned into the station's frequency, will be distributed to Donbass residents as humanitarian aid. NATO used the similar technique in Iraq, which proved to be successful, the hacker group said. Continue reading.

BBC wrote:Russians looking for the exit
3 June 2015

If Russia is alarming its neighbours with its actions in Ukraine and its anti-Western rhetoric, many of its own people are also uncomfortable with the prevailing atmosphere of bellicose nationalism. Some are preparing to leave, discovers the BBC's Caroline Wyatt, a former Moscow correspondent - and some have already left.

Moscow is at its loveliest in May, when the usually forbidding expanse of Red Square is bathed in sunshine, and the delicate scent of lilac fills the air around the crazy ice-cream spirals of St Basil's Cathedral. Tourists from across the Russian Federation take smiling family photographs in front of the church built to mark Ivan the Terrible's military conquests.

The rocket launchers and martial might on display to celebrate Victory Day in Europe have all gone. And instead of marching bands, the ethereal sounds of an Orthodox church choir fill the square, and visitors stop to listen. The only reminder that all is not quite as sunny as it seems is the shrine of flowers on the bridge, the fresh summer bunches left with handwritten notes - in memory of the Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, shot dead on this same spot just a few months ago.

I meet an old friend for coffee on the terrace of what was once the empty Soviet department store GUM. Now it's a temple to consumerism that wouldn't feel out of place in Paris, London or Milan. The shop windows bloom with pastel-coloured dresses from all the luxury brands. I can hardly conceal my surprise when the waiter wishes me a good day with a smile that even looks as though he means it.

I hardly know this place, it feels so different. The streets are no longer pot-holed, nor choked with traffic. There's a new confidence visible in the way people walk. And despite Western sanctions over Ukraine, the supermarket shelves are still full, and the cafes too. Continue reading.

Bloomberg wrote:Poroshenko Makes Putin Look Like a Wimp
JUN 4, 2015 3:18 PM EDT By Leonid Bershidsky

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, in his first state of the nation address, offered an impressively concrete plan for turning his country's economy around. Difficult as it may be to convert his vision into reality, it's a speech that Russian President Vladimir Putin should have had the courage to make.

In December, when Putin made his address to the Russian parliament, he had little to say about an economy in which bribe-seeking officials and an oppressive state are crushing the dynamism needed to get out of a deepening slump. All he offered was a cut in the number of inspections that businesses have to endure from all kinds of regulatory bodies and a four-year freeze on the existing tax regime. In speech that stretched to more than 8,000 words in English translation, he didn't speak a word about corruption or address how his billionaire friends have enriched themselves on government contracts.

Poroshenko's approach was so different that it's hard to imagine the two countries used to be almost one. Invoking Thatcherism and Reaganomics, he expressed dissatisfaction with his government's efforts to ease tax and regulatory burdens -- it has cut the number of business activities requiring licences to 26 from 56 and scrapped the obligatory certification of a number of products. "No one has felt yet that things are substantially easier and we need specific results like oxygen," he said.

He stressed the need for broad privatization, saying state companies' management "has already been privatized along with their revenue streams." Himself a billionaire (or as close to one as any Ukrainian can be under the circumstances), he said oligarchs would no longer get rich off Ukraine's once-huge fuel subsidies, which have already been sharply reduced. Continue reading.

Bloomberg wrote:West Can't Wait Out Putin on Ukraine
JUN 4, 2015 11:16 AM EDT By Leonid Bershidsky

Who said the West lost its Russian expertise after the Cold War?

Chatham House, the U.K. Royal Institute of International Affairs, has published a 58-page report on "The Russian Challenge" that's full of excellent insights about the ideological roots, methods and economic peculiarities of President Vladimir Putin's regime. I have found nothing to fault in the facts and analysis provides by the report's experienced authors, including two former U.K. ambassadors to Moscow.

Even so, the paucity of constructive suggestions in the report shows how Putin has succeeded in locking both Russia and the West into an unproductive tug of war that resolves nothing.

The report's narrative on how the parties have arrived at this point is eminently realistic. After plumping for closer integration with Europe and the West in general in the first three years of his rule, Putin veered toward building a stronger state, encouraged by his country's improving economic circumstances, bringing his values and goals into conflict with those of Europe.

Scuffles over European Union and NATO expansion followed, culminating in the Ukraine crisis. Meanwhile, systemic corruption, statism and worsening terms of trade created structural problems for the Russian economy, sending into decline. Putin has managed to sell this situation to Russians as part of a western plot against their country, however, so he's probably not getting overthrown tomorrow. And the Russian political system is so centered on Putin that it's impossible to predict what kind of ruler would succeed him.

The authors lay out the facts in a systematic, clinical fashion -- and arrive, from different angles, at the description of a stalemate. Roderic Lyne, a former U.K. ambassador to Russia, describes Putin's quandary in this way: Continue reading.

VICE News wrote:The All-Girl Soldier Club: Child Warriors of Donetsk

Роман Фил wrote:Where have you seen! Ukrainians eat buckwheat and we do not eat THEY STOLE it from us !!!

News-Front wrote:Urgent !!! The terrible shelling Telmanovo ukrokaratelyami. June 4, 2015 [18+]

Факти ICTV wrote:The wounded were operated by Marinka

Serega Lyka wrote:Donetsk now ...

Sasha Iraq wrote:06/04/2015 shelling Avdeevka

wilhelm wrote:

AirCargo wrote:Putin visiting the 102nd Russian military base in Armenia, Dec 2013, Behind him is BUK 9M38-M1

That's in Armenia.

A different country.

I must say, you're doing an excellent job keeping up with the stereotype of Americans knowing very little about geography outside their own borders.

Rodinazombie wrote:

wilhelm wrote:

AirCargo wrote:Putin visiting the 102nd Russian military base in Armenia, Dec 2013, Behind him is BUK 9M38-M1

That's in Armenia.

A different country.

I must say, you're doing an excellent job keeping up with the stereotype of Americans knowing very little about geography outside their own borders.

I think his his point is that the photo shows that particular type of buk on a RUSSIAN army base, thus disproving the claims that russia doesnt possess any of them.

Im not saying i agree with him, but thats what he is trying to say, its nothing to do with armenia.

Rodinazombie wrote:I think his his point is that the photo shows that particular type of buk on a RUSSIAN army base, thus disproving the claims that russia doesn't possess any of them.

Im not saying i agree with him, but thats what he is trying to say, its nothing to do with armenia.

Erk wrote:

AirCargo wrote:Putin visiting the 102nd Russian military base in Armenia, Dec 2013, Behind him is BUK 9M38-M1

That's because it's a display for the vist with different missile types on the same launcher, not an inspection tour of a working unit.

Rodinazombie wrote:
I think his point is that the photo shows that particular type of buk on a RUSSIAN army base, thus disproving the claims that russia doesn't possess any of them.

Im not saying i agree with him, but thats what he is trying to say, its nothing to do with armenia

AirCargo wrote:Does Ukraine Have 9M38M1 Missiles?

AirCargo wrote:And this called transparency:

Does Ukraine Have 9M38M1 Missiles?

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/04/4010/

Rodinazombie wrote:Who funds bellingcat anyway?

I generally ignore them because they seem to have one agenda, that whatever happened, its russia that did it.

Do any of their investigations ever conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for anything?

Ghoster wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Who funds bellingcat anyway?

I generally ignore them because they seem to have one agenda, that whatever happened, its russia that did it.

Do any of their investigations ever conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for anything?

It's hard to call anything coming from them an investigation. They're a bunch of armchair “investigative journalists” with no expertise whatsoever. How can anyone take them seriously?

Ghoster wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Who funds bellingcat anyway?

I generally ignore them because they seem to have one agenda, that whatever happened, its russia that did it.

Do any of their investigations ever conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for anything?

It's hard to call anything coming from them an investigation. They're a bunch of armchair “investigative journalists” with no expertise whatsoever. How can anyone take them seriously?

AirCargo wrote:.....................................................
Evidence the Russian Military Supplied the Type of Missile Used to Shoot Down MH17

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/06/03/evidence-the-russian-military-supplied-the-type-of-missile-used-to-shoot-down-mh17/

@BungeeWedgie wrote:#Ukraine soldiers punished by their commanding officer.

Rodinazombie wrote:Who funds bellingcat anyway?

I generally ignore them because they seem to have one agenda, that whatever happened, its russia that did it.

Do any of their investigations ever conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for anything?

@NinaByzantina wrote:Totally unbiased Dutch school textbook (Werkboek KGT) illustrating "dictatorship."

flamming_python wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Who funds bellingcat anyway?

I generally ignore them because they seem to have one agenda, that whatever happened, its russia that did it.

Do any of their investigations ever conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for anything?

All you need to know about this shill
http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

U.S. D.o.S. wrote:The launcher that U.S. officials believe fired the SA-11 heat-seeking missile used a rudimentary radar system that gives an incomplete picture of what is flying above, officials said. Such antiaircraft systems are designed to be linked to other radar that would allow the crew on the ground to distinguish between military and civilian aircraft.

flamming_python wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:Who funds bellingcat anyway?

I generally ignore them because they seem to have one agenda, that whatever happened, its russia that did it.

Do any of their investigations ever conclude that Ukrainian forces were responsible for anything?

All you need to know about this shill
http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

На линии огня wrote:The shelling Dokuchayevsk 04/06/2015