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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:58 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:Poroshenko will do anything to retake Crimea

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/radio-free-europeradio-liberty-poroshenko-says-ukraine-will-do-everything-to-retake-crimea-390350.html


    The powerful Rothschilds who own IMF buy Poroshenko

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poroshenko-to-transfer-his-share-in-roshen-to-rothschild-under-trust-agreement-390343.html

    Didn't Khodorkovsky also transfer his shares in Yukos to the Rothschilds when he was imprisoned in Russia?
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:29 pm

    The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.
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    Post  whir Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:55 pm

    048.ua via Google Translate wrote:Ты одессит, Мишка! В Одессе появились билборды с поздравлением Саакашвили (ФОТО)
    You Odessa, Bear! In Odessa appeared billboards congratulating Saakashvili (PHOTO)
    06.05.2015 17:40

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    Block Poroshenko "Solidarity" in the Odessa area has congratulated Mikhail Saakashvili on his appointment as Governor.

    As reported in its Facebook MP from this political force Alex Gocharenko, using billboards, Mikheil Saakashvili recalled that since the appointment he was awarded the proud title from Odessa, and this requires:

    Odessa expect from the new governor of the first decisive step towards the "miracle of Odessa"

    "Odessa expect from the new governor of the first decisive step towards the" Odessa miracle. "Decisive action by Saakashvili and the President also expects that just at a press conference once again referred to the Georgian experience, this time in the reform of the customs system.

    So you Odessa, Michael Nikolozovich, and it means! "- Wrote Goncharenko. Continue reading.

    БРИГАДА СВИДЕТЕЛЕЙ wrote:Captured Ukrainian scout told about problems APU under Marinka
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:56 pm

    whir wrote:
    048.ua via Google Translate wrote:Ты одессит, Мишка! В Одессе появились билборды с поздравлением Саакашвили (ФОТО)
    You Odessa, Bear! In Odessa appeared billboards congratulating Saakashvili (PHOTO)
    06.05.2015 17:40

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15 - Page 10 23t2joo

    Block Poroshenko "Solidarity" in the Odessa area has congratulated Mikhail Saakashvili on his appointment as Governor.

    As reported in its Facebook MP from this political force Alex Gocharenko, using billboards, Mikheil Saakashvili recalled that since the appointment he was awarded the proud title from Odessa, and this requires:

    Odessa expect from the new governor of the first decisive step towards the "miracle of Odessa"

    "Odessa expect from the new governor of the first decisive step towards the" Odessa miracle. "Decisive action by Saakashvili and the President also expects that just at a press conference once again referred to the Georgian experience, this time in the reform of the customs system.

    So you Odessa, Michael Nikolozovich, and it means! "- Wrote Goncharenko. Continue reading.

    БРИГАДА СВИДЕТЕЛЕЙ wrote:Captured Ukrainian scout told about problems APU under Marinka

    Let me guess? The NAF immediately released this captured Kiev soldier so he can return to fight against Novorossiya. And this was done as a gesture of good will.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:58 pm

    Nazi junta ride the waves

    Inflation in Ukraine - 58.4%, the Bank downgraded the GDP estimate
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:07 pm

    American who uses bellingcat:

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150604/1022932357.html

    Have fun. Goes to show the twat is incompetent idiot.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150605/1022977007.html
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:21 pm

    What will be the reply to the company from this Anal yst?
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    Post  Regular Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:43 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Let me guess? The NAF immediately released this captured Kiev soldier so he can return to fight against Novorossiya. And this was done as a gesture of good will.
    Ok I had enough. I am proposing this as modus operandi.

    seriously.

    So whats the situation on the ground? Ukras are claiming victory as of late.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:07 pm

    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/06/preliminary-results-of-field-and.html

    Pretty much, Kiev is simply rejoicing that they killed a lot of people. But, they lost parts of a city. I would say that in total, Kiev screwed up again and trying to downplay their incompetence.
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    Post  whir Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:20 pm

    Новороссия News wrote:Eugene Poddubny the latest news from Donetsk

    LIFENEWS wrote:Chapter DNR: Bodies of soldiers APU scored refrigerators slaughterhouses
    YouTube comments always deliver:
    YouTube wrote:SturmMedik 1 hour ago
    Such delusion...lol
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    Post  wilhelm Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:20 pm

    sepheronx wrote:American who uses bellingcat:

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150604/1022932357.html

    Have fun.  Goes to show the twat is incompetent idiot.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150605/1022977007.html

    Like I said earlier, it is not a credible source, nor is it very "investigative".

    It's a predetermined message, and only looking at facts, real or imagined, that support the message he is trying to put across.

    Pure rubbish that should be starved of oxygen like others of its type.

    I mean, think about it: A pale young man who spends all day long in his little flat surfing the internet for articles that knock Russia...which he then collates into a pretty collage that he then presents as evidence that Russia is evil, and to blame for everything.

    Seriously???? Laughing


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    Post  Neutrality Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:21 pm

    Haha SturmMedik resorted to Youtube comments huh? Good riddance. He's one of the batshit insane anti-Russian pushers from MP.net.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:23 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Haha SturmMedik resorted to Youtube comments huh? Good riddance. He's one of the batshit insane anti-Russian pushers from MP.net.

    Lulz...
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:35 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Haha SturmMedik resorted to Youtube comments huh? Good riddance. He's one of the batshit insane anti-Russian pushers from MP.net.

    The Nazi sympathiser has been all over YouTube comments for over a year now; I've seen his ugly orange face on other vids and I'm not the only one.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:44 pm

    women warriors of Novorossiya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJPL6PYDTM
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:49 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

    Do what Nusra does in Syria. Dig tunnels under Marinka. Pop out and boom surprise the Maidanists. They won't see that coming. cheers
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:49 pm

    brain fart...


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:52 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

    Do what Nusra does in Syria. Dig tunnels under Marinka. Pop out and boom surprise the Maidanists. They won't see that coming. cheers

    The UA military isn't better by any inch. It is currently worse. The current standings aren't "better" for UA, they're worse. It's still an open coflict, it's still a huge portion of the economy going bust, it is still a humanitarian problem...

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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:08 pm

    Poroshenko says will take back Crimea and border with Russia.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/poroshenko-ukraine-will-retake-crimea-strengthen-its-border-with-russia-390373.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:11 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration.
    The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

    Karl, I respect you and all but I really need to tear you a new one right now:

    -Your constant panicking and doomsday predictions are getting tiresome.

    -Nothing changed in nature of this war and nothing will, especially not in favor of UAF, unless their tuberculosis ridden cannon fodder somehow starts  spreading  tuberculosis among NAF troops.

    -UAF is not getting better. What on earth would  make you even think that they got better? Just because couple of US nobodies were prancing around with some UAF grunts for the camera? You can polish a turd till your hands bleed, turd it is still a turd.

    -If several thousand instructors from a country like Israel or Serbia came to Ukraine and spent no less than 2 years training no less than 20.000 ukrops then MAYBE, I repeat MAYBE there might be some remote possibility of marginal UAF improvement. Anything less is just a bad joke.
    Only thing they can learn from US army is to call for air-support every time someone shoots at them. Just to remind you: Ukraine does not have air-force anymore.  

    -UAF kills civilians. UAF can kill more civilians. UAF can kill every last single civilian in Donbass but it will not bring them an inch closer to winning a single battle let alone winning a war.

    -UAF can shell NAF positions but NAF is also able to shell UAF positions without a problem. Or did ukrops suddenly develop natural immunity to fragmentation warheads?

    -Ilovaysk  and Debaltsevo will be repeating on regular basis for years to come and trust me, this war will last for years and years. Keeping NAF in play is pretty cheap for Russia but keeping UAF in the game is very expensive and problematic for Washington and especially Brussels. Or have you been completely ignoring news from EU?

    -Marinka was just a warning shot for Kiev to remind them not to do anything stupid in Transdnitria. NAF was doing that without much heavy equipment in play. Once time comes for hard&heavy approach it will not be 2 day ops in just one jerkwater town.  

    -Nothing in this war favors Kiev. You don't win wars with pats on the back. They are the ones in survival mode, they are the ones who have to beg for money and gear, they are the ones who depend on their enemy for gas and power and they are the ones whose population is stuck in European version of Gaza Strip/Anbar province. Donbass civilians can pack up and leave, where will Ukrainian serfs go?
    Remember, EU put up "No Vacancy" sign years ago and it is not coming of any time soon.  

    So please for the love of Perun stop screaming "treason" and "all is lost" every time civilian in an active warzone gets killed. We know it's tragic but this is war. People die in wars, that is the whole point and defining feature of any war ever fought.

    Until now almost 6000 civilians died in this war over course of one year. You know what that is? It's nothing, a comedy act, a bad joke, a statistical error. During the 90's here in the Balkans we were scoring that many per week for several consecutive months at a time.

    So grow a pair, man up and stop acting like a little girl because I am really bored with your doomsday paranoia drama routine...
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:14 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Haha SturmMedik resorted to Youtube comments huh? Good riddance. He's one of the batshit insane anti-Russian pushers from MP.net.

    SturmMedik? Wow, that's a blast from the past... lol1
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    Post  Akula971 Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:30 pm

    See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:49 pm

    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.

    Had it been Stalin in the Kremlin, Poroshenko would have been dead by now. Putin needs to maintain gas sale to the EU as revenue. Therefore Russia would not support Novorossiya if NAF breaks Minsk 2. If NAF goes on the offensive, NAF will have to use captured arms to fight.
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    Post  par far Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:54 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.


    Couples of things need to happen, evacuate as many civilians as possible and give long range sniper rifles to the Novorossiyan army, so they use it against the people ahelling them.
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    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.

    Had it been Stalin in the Kremlin, Poroshenko would have been dead by now. Putin needs to maintain gas sale to the EU as revenue. Therefore Russia would not support Novorossiya if NAF breaks Minsk 2. If NAF goes on the offensive, NAF will have to use captured arms to fight.


    So very true, God dam, I miss Stalin.

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