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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:49 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

    Do what Nusra does in Syria. Dig tunnels under Marinka. Pop out and boom surprise the Maidanists. They won't see that coming. cheers
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:49 pm

    brain fart...


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:52 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

    Do what Nusra does in Syria. Dig tunnels under Marinka. Pop out and boom surprise the Maidanists. They won't see that coming. cheers

    The UA military isn't better by any inch. It is currently worse. The current standings aren't "better" for UA, they're worse. It's still an open coflict, it's still a huge portion of the economy going bust, it is still a humanitarian problem...

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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:08 pm

    Poroshenko says will take back Crimea and border with Russia.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/poroshenko-ukraine-will-retake-crimea-strengthen-its-border-with-russia-390373.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:11 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration.
    The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

    Karl, I respect you and all but I really need to tear you a new one right now:

    -Your constant panicking and doomsday predictions are getting tiresome.

    -Nothing changed in nature of this war and nothing will, especially not in favor of UAF, unless their tuberculosis ridden cannon fodder somehow starts  spreading  tuberculosis among NAF troops.

    -UAF is not getting better. What on earth would  make you even think that they got better? Just because couple of US nobodies were prancing around with some UAF grunts for the camera? You can polish a turd till your hands bleed, turd it is still a turd.

    -If several thousand instructors from a country like Israel or Serbia came to Ukraine and spent no less than 2 years training no less than 20.000 ukrops then MAYBE, I repeat MAYBE there might be some remote possibility of marginal UAF improvement. Anything less is just a bad joke.
    Only thing they can learn from US army is to call for air-support every time someone shoots at them. Just to remind you: Ukraine does not have air-force anymore.  

    -UAF kills civilians. UAF can kill more civilians. UAF can kill every last single civilian in Donbass but it will not bring them an inch closer to winning a single battle let alone winning a war.

    -UAF can shell NAF positions but NAF is also able to shell UAF positions without a problem. Or did ukrops suddenly develop natural immunity to fragmentation warheads?

    -Ilovaysk  and Debaltsevo will be repeating on regular basis for years to come and trust me, this war will last for years and years. Keeping NAF in play is pretty cheap for Russia but keeping UAF in the game is very expensive and problematic for Washington and especially Brussels. Or have you been completely ignoring news from EU?

    -Marinka was just a warning shot for Kiev to remind them not to do anything stupid in Transdnitria. NAF was doing that without much heavy equipment in play. Once time comes for hard&heavy approach it will not be 2 day ops in just one jerkwater town.  

    -Nothing in this war favors Kiev. You don't win wars with pats on the back. They are the ones in survival mode, they are the ones who have to beg for money and gear, they are the ones who depend on their enemy for gas and power and they are the ones whose population is stuck in European version of Gaza Strip/Anbar province. Donbass civilians can pack up and leave, where will Ukrainian serfs go?
    Remember, EU put up "No Vacancy" sign years ago and it is not coming of any time soon.  

    So please for the love of Perun stop screaming "treason" and "all is lost" every time civilian in an active warzone gets killed. We know it's tragic but this is war. People die in wars, that is the whole point and defining feature of any war ever fought.

    Until now almost 6000 civilians died in this war over course of one year. You know what that is? It's nothing, a comedy act, a bad joke, a statistical error. During the 90's here in the Balkans we were scoring that many per week for several consecutive months at a time.

    So grow a pair, man up and stop acting like a little girl because I am really bored with your doomsday paranoia drama routine...
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:14 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Haha SturmMedik resorted to Youtube comments huh? Good riddance. He's one of the batshit insane anti-Russian pushers from MP.net.

    SturmMedik? Wow, that's a blast from the past... lol1
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    Post  Akula971 Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:30 pm

    See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:49 pm

    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.

    Had it been Stalin in the Kremlin, Poroshenko would have been dead by now. Putin needs to maintain gas sale to the EU as revenue. Therefore Russia would not support Novorossiya if NAF breaks Minsk 2. If NAF goes on the offensive, NAF will have to use captured arms to fight.
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    Post  par far Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:54 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

    Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I’m sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

    What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will
    1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
    2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

    The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

    I’m afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They “bait” the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

    The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.


    Couples of things need to happen, evacuate as many civilians as possible and give long range sniper rifles to the Novorossiyan army, so they use it against the people ahelling them.
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    Post  par far Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:59 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.

    Had it been Stalin in the Kremlin, Poroshenko would have been dead by now. Putin needs to maintain gas sale to the EU as revenue. Therefore Russia would not support Novorossiya if NAF breaks Minsk 2. If NAF goes on the offensive, NAF will have to use captured arms to fight.


    So very true, God dam, I miss Stalin.
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    Post  gregoire Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:00 pm

    Can anyone confirm heavy fighting in shirokino and other places?
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    Post  par far Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:01 pm

    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.


    Attacking their supply should be high priority for the Novorossiyan army.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:14 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.

    Had it been Stalin in the Kremlin, Poroshenko would have been dead by now. Putin needs to maintain gas sale to the EU as revenue. Therefore Russia would not support Novorossiya if NAF breaks Minsk 2. If NAF goes on the offensive, NAF will have to use captured arms to fight.

    Gas discount for Ukraine is pure PR stunt. Kiev buys gas from EU via reverse flow, the same gas that Russia sells to EU at market price and EU then sell to Kiev at small discount (meaning at profit loss). So Russia just keeps selling gas to EU as usual, EU loses money and Kiev does not save a single cent.

    So much for "Russia helping junta..." lol1
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:15 pm

    Western irritation grows as Kiev further violates Ukraine ceasefire — Russian UN envoy
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    "I’ve noticed that some irritation exists in certain circles, even in Western countries that have to support Kiev no matter what it does," Vitaly Churkin said

    http://tass.ru/en/world/799151

    UNITED NATIONS, June 5. /TASS/. Russia's ambassador to the United Nations on Friday said there was "growing irritation" with Kiev among Western leaders for its repeated failure to fully implement ceasefire agreements signed in Minsk, Belarus, in February.

    Vitaly Churkin said ahead of a UN Security Council meeting on the crisis in Ukraine: "The Security Council has convened to call for full implementation of the agreements reached in Minsk. In my statement, I will explain in details how Kiev violates political and military aspects of the Minsk agreements".

    Churkin stressed that he was "under no illusion" that the Security Council would manage to issue a joint statement after the discussions.

    "But I’ve noticed that some irritation exists in certain circles, even in Western countries that have to support Kiev no matter what it does. There is irritation with non-compliance with the Minsk agreements," he added.

    Agreement to end conflict in east Ukraine was reached following marathon talks in the Belarusian capital between leaders of Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France on February 12.

    Vladimir Putin, Petro Poroshenko, Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande announced after more than 16 hours of discussions that a ceasefire between Ukraine’s government forces and people’s militia would begin on February 15.

    This was to be followed by withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of military engagement by at least 15 kilometres (9 miles), prisoner release and agreement for international observers to monitor the truce.

    Based on September’s stillborn Minsk peace agreement, the deal also laid out a road map for a lasting settlement in Ukraine, including local elections and constitutional reform to give the war-torn eastern regions more autonomy.

    The ceasefire has been repeatedly violated.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:20 pm

    Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?
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    Post  Khepesh Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:22 pm

    Rumoured that Zakharchenko and Pushilin are now in Moscow, dunno
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:25 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Rumoured that Zakharchenko and Pushilin are now in Moscow, dunno

    Big drubbing coming up...
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    Post  Flagship Victory Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:26 pm

    par far wrote:
    Akula971 wrote:See if anyone here thinks Russia will go full offensive and break the Minsk II agreements then too bad, that will never happen.

    What will happen is over time NAF spec ops are going to destroy UAF supply lines, and Russia will do a maidan of its own and everyone will go back to being brotherly people. Give it 2 years to complete.


    Attacking their supply should be high priority for the Novorossiyan army.

    You have to do ground offensive to attack supply line. Typically supply lines are well guarded and behind the frontline. That's why Nusra has to take over towns and roads to attack supply lines in Syria. If NAF is not allowed to do ground offensive because of Minsk 2, then NAF would not be able to attack supply lines.

    But you are right. Everyone in Novorossiya would eventually all get killed by Maidan's artillery if NAF is not allowed to do ground offensive because of Minsk 2. Stand there and die or fight for freedom. The choice belongs to the people of Novorossiya. If Russia does not approve, then do it on their own. FSA managed to kill tens of thousands of Syrian soldiers before the US started supplying TOW anti tank missiles to FSA.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:38 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?

    Damn that's some beatdown. Is Putin "paying" these trolls?
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Western irritation grows as Kiev further violates Ukraine ceasefire — Russian UN envoy
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    "I’ve noticed that some irritation exists in certain circles, even in Western countries that have to support Kiev no matter what it does," Vitaly Churkin said

    http://tass.ru/en/world/799151




    And this is good..
    It seems to me.. Kiev have no intentions to honor any Minsk agreement and only totally crushing their economy and starting to create mass protest in all cities will do the trick..
    A nation wide protest against Kiev , will be a game over for  the junta in kiev..

    SO is time for Russia to start organizing the people who will participate in rebellions and protest
    in all cities.. from Odessa to Kharkiv and at the right time do the call for major protest to start.
    Even if that means to finance them. The supply Light weapons to Partisan groups.. to take over
    Ultra nationalist who run in the cities torturing beating and terrorizing civilians.

    As long as Ukrainians see hope for their nation , the support to kiev will continue.. only
    when people start feeling hungry and cannot buy not even food is when the real revolution will start.. and Russia will be in a much better position to invade.. without firing a shot to Restore Order.  Im sure most Ukrainians army will backup Russia invasion.. if that time comes that no longer they see a future with the government they have in Power and that see Americans as the major problem.

    Ideally it will be nicer if the European Union or at least most of Europe.. including Germany
    and France ,declare illegitimate the war of Poroshenko and demand him to stop the war or step down..
    and that if he refuse .. that they will personally provide weapons to Ukrainians who oppose the government to get their freedom and liberties.. and help Russia to restore Order in Ukraine.

    Europe will also need to declare the Right Sector and the volunteer groups of Oligarchs fighting in eastern ukraine ,a criminal Organizations.. and demand the arrest of their leaders and put a reward for their arrest. Europe also can threaten to Freeze bank accounts of Poroshenko if he continue with the war and does not follow the Minks-2 agreements.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:48 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?

    Damn that's some beatdown. Is Putin "paying" these trolls?

    Haha. The West wishes, it's so damn hard to get dirt on the truth, you got to almost feel sorry for them. /sarcasm
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:53 pm

    Here's a thorn in Poroshenko's side.

    Right Sector threatens Kyiv gay pride march

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/right-sector-threatens-kyiv-gay-pride-parade-390397.html

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:58 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:Addressing some of the Bellingcat questions earlier:

    http://7mei.nl/2015/06/01/about-bellingcats-claim-russian-sat-pics-fake/

    http://russia-insider.com/en/whats-bellingcat-anyway/ri7522

    As usual the guys at Russia Insider are all over it. It seems like our dear Elliot Higgins has some (read: a lot of) dirty laundry. The utter depths that these people will go to further their own nefarious means is truly disgusting. Doctoring photos now? That is A-grade disinformation, aka flatout lying.

    How do they live with themselves?

    Damn that's some beatdown. Is Putin "paying" these trolls?

    Haha. The West wishes, it's so damn hard to get dirt on the truth, you got to almost feel sorry for them. /sarcasm

    What is hard is to know you can't fool pros with your DIY BS. The worst is that they don't want to back down...
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:01 am

    Ukraine troops shelling DPR village after OSCE observers leave, says local official
    June 05, 19:55
    According to the republic’s defense ministry, Ukrainian troops have violated truce 46 times over the past 24 hours

    http://tass.ru/en/world/799166

    MOSCOW, June 5. /TASS/. Ukrainian troops have resumed the shelling of Telmanovo district of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic shortly after observers from the OSCE mission left, the head of the regional administration, Sergey Ivanov, reports. According to Ivanov, they used heavy weaponry to shell the settlement of Grigoryevskoye. "Nobody has been injured as of yet," the Donetsk News Agency quoted him as saying. He said residents of a neighborhood remained without electricity supply. In earlier reports, Ivanov said a four-year-old boy was killed and four civilians were wounded in the shelling overnight to June 5. According to the republic’s defense ministry, Ukrainian troops have violated truce 46 times over the past 24 hours. They used multiple rocket launcher systems three times, and heavy artillery was used 21 times. A ministry official said 16 DPR settlements had been damaged in the shelling. wrote:

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 14h

    Donetsk DNR forces moving towards Kiev-forces to take a look at positions near Marinka




    Marcel Sardo ‏@marcelsardo Jun 4
    Camp of the 55th Ukro-Artillery Brigade after the pounded by NAF:

    Is this the past few days, or no??

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    Post  mack8 Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:01 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Here's a thorn in Poroshenko's side.

    Right Sector threatens Kyiv gay pride march

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/right-sector-threatens-kyiv-gay-pride-parade-390397.html


    Makes one wonder which side a certain group of peoples on this forum will take now. Presumably the side of the Right Sektor fascist scumbags? Rolling Eyes

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