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The Situation in the Ukraine. #15
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Hope you feel better soon, lass. Try about 200 mg of Ibuprophen twice a day and a glass or two of wine. Works wonders, at least for me.
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auslander wrote:Hope you feel better soon, lass. Try about 200 mg of Ibuprophen twice a day and a glass or two of wine. Works wonders, at least for me.
Have anybody tried this ? https://www.google.com/search?q=d%E1%BA%A7u+gi%C3%B3&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=a2Z2VbzAKdeD8gXYo4No&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ
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While I have not been too active on forum of late I/we have kept very much up to date on events revolving around the war in Novorossiya.
What we have here is a de facto war against Russian Federation. The ever increasing drumbeat of propaganda and twisted facts reported in West media (and East media is not much better) is increasing daily, demonizing Mr. Putin and Russia in the process. More sanctions against RF are coming, there is no doubt of this. Countries bordering the Black Sea on the west side are being actively courted to take sides in the conflict, thus opening up their naval bases to Nato assets, in effect putting a hostile presence in what is essentially a Russian lake. Countries on the east borders of what is known as European Union are being actively armed and reinforced by 'nato', read US, military units. Countries in the central and west regions of eu are in almost a panic as they realize that the cutting of their militaries to the bone is having unforeseen results and they are frightened, the fright more a result of them believing their own propaganda rather than any overt or covert threat from RF.
I think this entire crisis is manufactured, it follows a carefully laid out plan to slowly but steadily increase the economic and military pressure against RF and Mr. Putin personally thereby bringing the collapse of RF and the removal of Mr. Putin from power in RF. DoS in US is not what it seems. The real Secretary of State is V. Nuland, not J. Kerry, and V. Nuland has made it crystal clear what her agenda is, therefore her agenda is the same as B. Obama's agenda, the eventual and total destruction of RF.
Analogies using past and current history are useless. While there are similarities today of summer 1914, the reality is the situation and crisis is worlds apart from that time 100 years ago. At that time the aggressive economic attacks against RF would have long ago brought a declaration of war. The truly frightening reality is it is becoming more and more evident that USA seems to think it can wage this undeclared war to completion and destroy RF with no consequences to themselves. I honestly now believe USA thinks it can win in a nuclear exchange and actually survive.
I/we are not frightened, we are not worried of the end of the world as we know it, we are not looking for a doomsday scenario, but on the other hand we are realists. What will be will be, we are nothing but a very small cog in the wheel of life and have no effect on how things will turn out. We hope for the best but we have prepared as we can. We live life day to day, week to week, month to month. We, and you, can only hope and pray that this crisis, this war, eventually subsides and we can go on with life in peace and tranquility. All is in His hands, not ours.
What we have here is a de facto war against Russian Federation. The ever increasing drumbeat of propaganda and twisted facts reported in West media (and East media is not much better) is increasing daily, demonizing Mr. Putin and Russia in the process. More sanctions against RF are coming, there is no doubt of this. Countries bordering the Black Sea on the west side are being actively courted to take sides in the conflict, thus opening up their naval bases to Nato assets, in effect putting a hostile presence in what is essentially a Russian lake. Countries on the east borders of what is known as European Union are being actively armed and reinforced by 'nato', read US, military units. Countries in the central and west regions of eu are in almost a panic as they realize that the cutting of their militaries to the bone is having unforeseen results and they are frightened, the fright more a result of them believing their own propaganda rather than any overt or covert threat from RF.
I think this entire crisis is manufactured, it follows a carefully laid out plan to slowly but steadily increase the economic and military pressure against RF and Mr. Putin personally thereby bringing the collapse of RF and the removal of Mr. Putin from power in RF. DoS in US is not what it seems. The real Secretary of State is V. Nuland, not J. Kerry, and V. Nuland has made it crystal clear what her agenda is, therefore her agenda is the same as B. Obama's agenda, the eventual and total destruction of RF.
Analogies using past and current history are useless. While there are similarities today of summer 1914, the reality is the situation and crisis is worlds apart from that time 100 years ago. At that time the aggressive economic attacks against RF would have long ago brought a declaration of war. The truly frightening reality is it is becoming more and more evident that USA seems to think it can wage this undeclared war to completion and destroy RF with no consequences to themselves. I honestly now believe USA thinks it can win in a nuclear exchange and actually survive.
I/we are not frightened, we are not worried of the end of the world as we know it, we are not looking for a doomsday scenario, but on the other hand we are realists. What will be will be, we are nothing but a very small cog in the wheel of life and have no effect on how things will turn out. We hope for the best but we have prepared as we can. We live life day to day, week to week, month to month. We, and you, can only hope and pray that this crisis, this war, eventually subsides and we can go on with life in peace and tranquility. All is in His hands, not ours.
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They have done the same to Iran for about 30 years compared to Russia for 1 year. And they threatened invasian as well on Iran. Total economic blockade, threats, and surrounded tge country nearly all sides. Yet Iran is progressing regardless of rhetorics in the news.
Russia on the other hand is much larger and more powerful while more developed than Iran. With having China and other countries willing to trade with ut regardless, right beside them. Even Iran.
It has proven that sanctions, even if ramped up, wont do Russia harm in long run. They acknowledge that sanctions hurt them as well. As for military presence - if you add up total numbers of equipment and personell being ramped up near Russia, it is total nothing but bluster. Even if they can drum up 50,000 troops, that is nothing. A few hundred armored equipment and a couple dozen jets and a few ships would maybe give NATO about a day or two of survival.
As for sanctions, there are economic models for nations with total blockade, that still guarantees growth. And Russia isnt even close to total blockade.
Russia on the other hand is much larger and more powerful while more developed than Iran. With having China and other countries willing to trade with ut regardless, right beside them. Even Iran.
It has proven that sanctions, even if ramped up, wont do Russia harm in long run. They acknowledge that sanctions hurt them as well. As for military presence - if you add up total numbers of equipment and personell being ramped up near Russia, it is total nothing but bluster. Even if they can drum up 50,000 troops, that is nothing. A few hundred armored equipment and a couple dozen jets and a few ships would maybe give NATO about a day or two of survival.
As for sanctions, there are economic models for nations with total blockade, that still guarantees growth. And Russia isnt even close to total blockade.
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auslander wrote:While I have not been too active on forum of late I/we have kept very much up to date on events revolving around the war in Novorossiya.
What we have here is a de facto war against Russian Federation. The ever increasing drumbeat of propaganda and twisted facts reported in West media (and East media is not much better) is increasing daily, demonizing Mr. Putin and Russia in the process. More sanctions against RF are coming, there is no doubt of this. Countries bordering the Black Sea on the west side are being actively courted to take sides in the conflict, thus opening up their naval bases to Nato assets, in effect putting a hostile presence in what is essentially a Russian lake. Countries on the east borders of what is known as European Union are being actively armed and reinforced by 'nato', read US, military units. Countries in the central and west regions of eu are in almost a panic as they realize that the cutting of their militaries to the bone is having unforeseen results and they are frightened, the fright more a result of them believing their own propaganda rather than any overt or covert threat from RF.
I think this entire crisis is manufactured, it follows a carefully laid out plan to slowly but steadily increase the economic and military pressure against RF and Mr. Putin personally thereby bringing the collapse of RF and the removal of Mr. Putin from power in RF. DoS in US is not what it seems. The real Secretary of State is V. Nuland, not J. Kerry, and V. Nuland has made it crystal clear what her agenda is, therefore her agenda is the same as B. Obama's agenda, the eventual and total destruction of RF.
Analogies using past and current history are useless. While there are similarities today of summer 1914, the reality is the situation and crisis is worlds apart from that time 100 years ago. At that time the aggressive economic attacks against RF would have long ago brought a declaration of war. The truly frightening reality is it is becoming more and more evident that USA seems to think it can wage this undeclared war to completion and destroy RF with no consequences to themselves. I honestly now believe USA thinks it can win in a nuclear exchange and actually survive.
I/we are not frightened, we are not worried of the end of the world as we know it, we are not looking for a doomsday scenario, but on the other hand we are realists. What will be will be, we are nothing but a very small cog in the wheel of life and have no effect on how things will turn out. We hope for the best but we have prepared as we can. We live life day to day, week to week, month to month. We, and you, can only hope and pray that this crisis, this war, eventually subsides and we can go on with life in peace and tranquility. All is in His hands, not ours.
Russia could drop it's dependence on European trade. Make a symbolic point and impose trade sanctions against all NATO members, cut of gas/oil etc. that would drive the point home, increase trade with non-NATO members. A radical step which would harm Putin's popularity, but there is no guarantee that Putin's successor, whenever that is, will have Putin's focus on pushing for peace, the public may be really angry against NATO countries by then, and want nothing to do with them, no sharing of precious natural resources etc. and whoever is elected will be expected to reflect that.
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Erk wrote:auslander wrote:While I have not been too active on forum of late I/we have kept very much up to date on events revolving around the war in Novorossiya.
What we have here is a de facto war against Russian Federation. The ever increasing drumbeat of propaganda and twisted facts reported in West media (and East media is not much better) is increasing daily, demonizing Mr. Putin and Russia in the process. More sanctions against RF are coming, there is no doubt of this. Countries bordering the Black Sea on the west side are being actively courted to take sides in the conflict, thus opening up their naval bases to Nato assets, in effect putting a hostile presence in what is essentially a Russian lake. Countries on the east borders of what is known as European Union are being actively armed and reinforced by 'nato', read US, military units. Countries in the central and west regions of eu are in almost a panic as they realize that the cutting of their militaries to the bone is having unforeseen results and they are frightened, the fright more a result of them believing their own propaganda rather than any overt or covert threat from RF.
I think this entire crisis is manufactured, it follows a carefully laid out plan to slowly but steadily increase the economic and military pressure against RF and Mr. Putin personally thereby bringing the collapse of RF and the removal of Mr. Putin from power in RF. DoS in US is not what it seems. The real Secretary of State is V. Nuland, not J. Kerry, and V. Nuland has made it crystal clear what her agenda is, therefore her agenda is the same as B. Obama's agenda, the eventual and total destruction of RF.
Analogies using past and current history are useless. While there are similarities today of summer 1914, the reality is the situation and crisis is worlds apart from that time 100 years ago. At that time the aggressive economic attacks against RF would have long ago brought a declaration of war. The truly frightening reality is it is becoming more and more evident that USA seems to think it can wage this undeclared war to completion and destroy RF with no consequences to themselves. I honestly now believe USA thinks it can win in a nuclear exchange and actually survive.
I/we are not frightened, we are not worried of the end of the world as we know it, we are not looking for a doomsday scenario, but on the other hand we are realists. What will be will be, we are nothing but a very small cog in the wheel of life and have no effect on how things will turn out. We hope for the best but we have prepared as we can. We live life day to day, week to week, month to month. We, and you, can only hope and pray that this crisis, this war, eventually subsides and we can go on with life in peace and tranquility. All is in His hands, not ours.
Russia could drop it's dependence on European trade. Make a symbolic point and impose trade sanctions against all NATO members, cut of gas/oil etc. that would drive the point home, increase trade with non-NATO members. A radical step which would harm Putin's popularity, but there is no guarantee that Putin's successor, whenever that is, will have Putin's focus on pushing for peace, the public may be really angry against NATO countries by then, and want nothing to do with them, no sharing of precious natural resources etc. and whoever is elected will be expected to reflect that.
If they push that, definitely some European countries will fold and want good relations with Russia which would splinter EU even more. What people need to realise, and face the facts, is that as much as Europe and North America are "Rich" (by printing paper standards), many Asian and African countries, latin american countries as well, are ripe for investment and development. Human capital is huge in Africa and barely developed. Russia could simply invest significant more into Africa like countries like Ethiopia (whom has 100M population as example) and further economic development with Egypt and South Africa, will garner huge profits for Russia. Even helping develop Nigeria is another one. I know plenty of people who have made really good cash investing in Africa in even the most basic things like technology sales, and automotive sales. Logistics would be huge one.
It is actually Russia's complacency of sitting around and letting others invest in partner countries, that is leaving it behind. Russia could provide loans to African countries that use such loans to purchase Russian technology, components, etc for their enterprises, and then Russia gets money back plus interest over time. Also added, they could invest in African countries in automotive and the two massive ones desperately in need of such investments: modern agriculture and Pharmaceutical. Russia made the first step with currently building a plant for production of tractors and such in Egypt. But that really isn't enough. They should be offering to help prop up countries like Ethiopia in terms of contracts like energy and agriculture. In turn, Ethiopia will have far more money to purchase goods like Russian military equipment, construction equipment, etc etc etc.
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Pravda UA via Google Translate wrote:Штаб Ахметова приостанавливает выдачу помощи на оккупированных территориях
Headquarters Akhmetov suspend issuance of assistance in the occupied territories
Tuesday, June 9, 2015, 2:03
From June 9 issue of humanitarian aid work items from the headquarters of "Help" Rinat Akhmetov on uncontrolled territory of Ukraine will be suspended.
This is stated in the statement of Staff on the page to Facebook.
It is noted that the settlements issue is work to be halted for one day.
It is also stated that on June 9, Tuesday, from Dnepropetrovsk to Donetsk headquarters Akhmetov plans to send a new convoy of relief flights with food.
At the headquarters of note that 26 cars with humanitarian aid a week are in Pavlograd and can not go to Donetsk.
Recall that due to the exacerbation of hostilities since June 3, all the Gaza crossings "B" closed. Continue reading.
ZN via Google Translate wrote:Боевики заявляют, что согласны на особый статус Донбасса в составе Украины
The militants say they agree on the special status of Donbass within Ukraine
On June 9 at 00:55
They handed over a draft interim coordinator of the working group on political issues from the OSCE Pierre Morel.
Militants "LC" and "DNR" sent the contact group in addition to changing the Constitution of Ukraine, the representatives said in a statement, "LC" and "DNR" on the Minsk talks Vladislav Dana and Dennis Pushilin.
The project is transferred to the temporary coordinator of the working group on political issues of the OSCE Pierre Morel. Addition to the changes to the Constitution of Ukraine provides for the preservation of certain areas of Donbass, with a special status within Ukraine.
"Some areas of special status or their associations are an integral part of Ukraine and within the powers defined by the Constitution, special laws of Ukraine, as well as agreements on the delimitation of powers between these areas, their associations and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, ministries and other central executive authorities own matters within their jurisdiction, "- said in the text on the site Luganskinformtsentra.
"In some areas with a special status acts a special procedure and the special status of local government, providing for a separate legal regulation," - noted in the project.
It is proposed to give local governments special status and establish bodies of public order. "Local governments of individual regions with special status and controls their associations in order to ensure public security organs have the right to create public order protection: a people's militia" - the document says. Managers of such bodies is expected to appoint and dismiss the local government to address. Continue reading.
Life News via Google Translate wrote:Задержанного в Донецке Павла Губарева отпустили домой
Paul was detained in Donetsk Gubarev go home
Former governor of the Donbass national was detained in the center of Donetsk after the bombing of a military unit of the army DNR.
The arrested members of the MGB DNI Pavel Gubarev released after the preliminary hearing. According to LifeNews, one of the former leaders of the militia went to his home to his apartment in Donetsk.
- Incident cordon SkyCity building took place, but being involved in it I do not. Now I'm home, and I have everything in order. For the rest, I believe that the investigation should understand this situation - said by telephone LifeNews Paul Gubarev.
Earlier surrounded Paul Gubarev LifeNews reported his detention at SkyCity office center in the center of the capital of the DNI. As BelTA LifeNews militia involved in the arrest, unknown fired several shots from the building towards the military unit of the army DNI. Presumably, shot from a sniper rifle SVD.
Law enforcement authorities are going to investigate the DNI of the incident. The detainees were sent to a medical examination, suspecting that they are in a state of intoxication. Continue reading.
Life News via Google Translate wrote:В Луганске после года простоя заработал уникальный авиаремонтный завод
In Lugansk, after a year of inactivity earned a unique aircraft repair plant
June 9, 2015 9:02
Strategically important businesses that cater to aircraft engines from around the world, trying to reach the pre-war volume of orders.
Lugansk Aircraft Repair Plant - a unique industrial enterprises. The day before brought to the control panel from which you run the turbine combat training "MiG-23" Indian Air Force. Repair shop in the LC - the only one in the world where it is possible to correct the problem with this type of equipment.
For almost a year the company worked. Factory nearly destroyed the armed forces of Ukraine. Before militia discourage settlement gravelly, beat out the shops direct fire from tanks and multiple rocket launchers. Start up in business and the proverbial "point Y". In total, the plant exploded more than 150 shells.
Workshops, shops and other facilities of the enterprise managed to recover almost completely. Communication paved again. But some buildings can not be repaired - beat them very often, knowing that in the most valuable: h ere stored parts for jet aircraft and helicopters, as well as car radiators - they are burned for the amount of 16 million rubles. The surviving remnants surrender parts for recycling.
For a year of inactivity, the company still managed to run, and the staff has remained virtually the same composition. Ready to work at full capacity to competitors in the global market is not relaxed.
- We are ready to compete with international companies. The difficulty only in that these enterprises should go to the legal acts and documents that will be performing throughout the world space, - explained the Prime Minister Gennady Tsepkalov LC. Continue reading.
Correspondent via Google Translate wrote:Возле Красногоровки подорвались военные: семь погибших
Near Krasnogorovka blown war: seven dead
Today, 19:46
Military transporting ammunition, vehicle hit an anti-tank mine.
Today, in the area near the ATO Krasnogorovka near Donetsk (Maryinsky district) on an anti-vehicle mine exploded with the military. This 5 channel speaker sector "B" Eugene Silkin.
According to him, killing seven soldiers.
"Today, at 14 o'clock near the settlement Krasnogorovka resulting collision with anti-tank mine exploded car engineering units APU, carrying ammunition to the position of Ukrainian troops. 7 soldiers, six of whom are mobilized and one contractor, died on the spot," - said Silkin. Continue reading.
UA Armed Forces wrote:Повітряні Сили України / Ukrainian Air Force
ChanneL 27 wrote:TIME EXPLOSION BASED BRYU Vasilkov!
Общественное ТВ Донбасса wrote:"Puts a gun to his head" - a Ukrainian prisoner forced to tell a lie to the camera
Роман Подюк wrote:Пожар, г. Васильков, нефтебаза
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http://112.ua/kriminal/v-dnepropetrovskoy-obl-pyanyy-voennosluzhashhiy-napal-s-nozhom-na-medsestru-235552.html wrote:In the Dnepropetrovsk region. a drunken soldier with a knife attacked a nurse
In the Dnepropetrovsk region. APU drunken soldier attacked a military unit nurse and stabbed her neck stabbed, reports TSN .
As reported, 30-year contract servicemen on duty at the premises of the medical company of the 93rd Brigade. It is noted that the woman is a migrant from the Donetsk region. Late at night, she heard a knock at the door. Opening the door, she was stabbed in the neck.
The victim underwent surgery at a regional hospital, her life is out of danger.
According to the Military Prosecutor's Office, the attacker before conscription served in prison 10 years for theft.
"He said at first that he had been drunk, and then he became ill, he woke up, ate some pill and something otherworldly caused him to go and kill someone. Is in a state of intoxication and, probably, in narcotic intoxication. Because currently trying to cut a tin veins and tried to bite his hand, "- said the prosecutor of Dnipropetrovsk garrison Sergei Kotsuba.
The attack on the medical, law enforcement officers of Ukraine qualified as attempted murder under investigation.
Earlier in Konstantinovka Donetsk region. Ukrainian military killed three colleagues .
Really, looks like things are so bad in Ukrainian military, even Ukrainian mainstream news can't hide it.
Drunken Ukrainian soldiers are targeting civilians from Donbass, even without artillery guns.
Last week 3 Ukrainian soldiers were arrested for lynching a man, near Sartana, Mariupol, who had pro-Russian sentiment, as reported by the same news site.
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What you are talking about will only worsen the geopolitical stability and that is something that the world doesn't need right now.Erk wrote:auslander wrote:While I have not been too active on forum of late I/we have kept very much up to date on events revolving around the war in Novorossiya.
What we have here is a de facto war against Russian Federation. The ever increasing drumbeat of propaganda and twisted facts reported in West media (and East media is not much better) is increasing daily, demonizing Mr. Putin and Russia in the process. More sanctions against RF are coming, there is no doubt of this. Countries bordering the Black Sea on the west side are being actively courted to take sides in the conflict, thus opening up their naval bases to Nato assets, in effect putting a hostile presence in what is essentially a Russian lake. Countries on the east borders of what is known as European Union are being actively armed and reinforced by 'nato', read US, military units. Countries in the central and west regions of eu are in almost a panic as they realize that the cutting of their militaries to the bone is having unforeseen results and they are frightened, the fright more a result of them believing their own propaganda rather than any overt or covert threat from RF.
I think this entire crisis is manufactured, it follows a carefully laid out plan to slowly but steadily increase the economic and military pressure against RF and Mr. Putin personally thereby bringing the collapse of RF and the removal of Mr. Putin from power in RF. DoS in US is not what it seems. The real Secretary of State is V. Nuland, not J. Kerry, and V. Nuland has made it crystal clear what her agenda is, therefore her agenda is the same as B. Obama's agenda, the eventual and total destruction of RF.
Analogies using past and current history are useless. While there are similarities today of summer 1914, the reality is the situation and crisis is worlds apart from that time 100 years ago. At that time the aggressive economic attacks against RF would have long ago brought a declaration of war. The truly frightening reality is it is becoming more and more evident that USA seems to think it can wage this undeclared war to completion and destroy RF with no consequences to themselves. I honestly now believe USA thinks it can win in a nuclear exchange and actually survive.
I/we are not frightened, we are not worried of the end of the world as we know it, we are not looking for a doomsday scenario, but on the other hand we are realists. What will be will be, we are nothing but a very small cog in the wheel of life and have no effect on how things will turn out. We hope for the best but we have prepared as we can. We live life day to day, week to week, month to month. We, and you, can only hope and pray that this crisis, this war, eventually subsides and we can go on with life in peace and tranquility. All is in His hands, not ours.
Russia could drop it's dependence on European trade. Make a symbolic point and impose trade sanctions against all NATO members, cut of gas/oil etc. that would drive the point home, increase trade with non-NATO members. A radical step which would harm Putin's popularity, but there is no guarantee that Putin's successor, whenever that is, will have Putin's focus on pushing for peace, the public may be really angry against NATO countries by then, and want nothing to do with them, no sharing of precious natural resources etc. and whoever is elected will be expected to reflect that.
This situation can be used as a major blessing. Russia will have learned its lesson on relying too much on foreign trade and will strengthen and diversify its own economy, not to mention that the population has jumped thanks to Crimea and refugees that are settling down. Of course it will take time before things become better, but in a few years time Russia will be stronger than ever before and positioned to grow further.
I will draw some similarities between two superpowers separated by approximately two thousand years, the Roman Empire and the Western Hegemony we know and love today. The Roman Empire began its long decline after Hadrian decided to stop expanding. The Roman Empire could no longer grow more powerful nor could it financially sustain itself. After Rome had become weak enough, it began to shrink and its borders let all sorts of outsiders in to take what they could from Rome.
US imperialism really began with the capture of Cuba after the Spanish-American War. Through all the wars that the US fought, they essentially colonized more and more places like Western Europe after WWII. A key point in US imperialism is that US expanded onto territories where the infrastructure was present but there was weak local control at that time. Through military conquest or subtle overthrows of local governments the US has been able to expand its power for a little over a century. Now, they are quickly running out of places to expand to. The political borders between Russia and its allies and the West is roughly analogous to the Romans at the Rhine River. A place that Rome has tried to conquer many times but can't thanks to the Barbarians. Plus there are strange and an almost alien forces to the Far East (China for the West or the Huns for Rome) that seem intent on expanding themselves.
I think the remainder of this century will be very interesting to watch as we may potentially see a massive geopolitical shift. This whole crisis may very well be the beginning of the end for the Empire of our time.
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Burning nicely now. I would say correspondent is at least one km from the fire. Even Avakov admits there are dead, wounded and missing. let it burn....
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khepesh wrote:let it burn....
I think the remainder of this century will be very interesting to watch as we may potentially see a massive geopolitical shift. This whole crisis may very well be the beginning of the end for the Empire of our time.
I don't think it will take a century...all this will be decided in the next 10 years or so, one way or the other
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Khepesh wrote:Burning nicely now. I would say correspondent is at least one km from the fire. Even Avakov admits there are dead, wounded and missing. let it burn....
Gee, the trouble is that the infrastructure will need to be replaced regardless if Kiev is being run by a corrupt warmongering government, or if it were in good peaceful times. Ultimately the citizens are the ones who suffer.
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Erk wrote:Khepesh wrote:Burning nicely now. I would say correspondent is at least one km from the fire. Even Avakov admits there are dead, wounded and missing. let it burn....
Gee, the trouble is that the infrastructure will need to be replaced regardless if Kiev is being run by a corrupt warmongering government, or if it were in good peaceful times. Ultimately the citizens are the ones who suffer.
So what?
Those people couldnt two fecks about their fellow citizens being bombed, shot, shelled, having no gas or electricity and water turned off a few hundred miles away, so why should we care?
Let them see how it feels for once.
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Less resources for the war. Good.
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BRSM-Nafta is Dutch owned I think.Rodinazombie wrote:Erk wrote:Khepesh wrote:Burning nicely now. I would say correspondent is at least one km from the fire. Even Avakov admits there are dead, wounded and missing. let it burn....
Gee, the trouble is that the infrastructure will need to be replaced regardless if Kiev is being run by a corrupt warmongering government, or if it were in good peaceful times. Ultimately the citizens are the ones who suffer.
So what?
Those people couldnt two fecks about their fellow citizens being bombed, shot, shelled, having no gas or electricity and water turned off a few hundred miles away, so why should we care?
Let them see how it feels for once.
I am sure Kiev will find a way to blame it on Russia. Bellingcat will find a trail from a laser that came from a Russian satellite, Alex Jones will claim it was from a US satellite, Putin will say where is my old KGB lighter gotten to...
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Lack of sufficient storage facilities could produce certain logistical problems down the road but it's not like the pipelines that are used to fill those tanks are going to disappear anytime soon and in any case Kiev always can increase fuel prices to control consumption.Neutrality wrote:Less resources for the war. Good.
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This fire is totaly out of control and according to the latest reports has spread to surrounding forest and is moving towards another tank farm and gaspipes. I do not want to see dead firemen of course, but I still want to see it burn and burn. Aviation fuel for airbases around Kiev come from this tank farm, let it all go to hell.
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He was close to Mozgovoi AFAIK. I don't believe he did what he is blamed for. He has quite bright reputation. La revolution devore ses enfants.higurashihougi wrote:Incident about P. Gubarev... is that there is some sort of internal purge or political infighting ?
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The propaganda machine begins to work about this fire. Earlier it was said to be due to some technical fault, now in the last ten minutes Turchynov has mentioned "diversion" and that acid rain may fall on Berlin because of the fire, likely plague of locusts and death of first born as well.......
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I expect to see tomorrow or earlier the fire being blames on a Spetznaz infiltration group and by tomorrow night the arrests will start.
The fire is serious. The nearest village is being evacuated and as reported the forest is on fire. Unconfirmed reports are there is a weapons and ammunition storage depot in the area, supposedly located near enough to be in danger. right sector says it's theirs.
The fire is serious. The nearest village is being evacuated and as reported the forest is on fire. Unconfirmed reports are there is a weapons and ammunition storage depot in the area, supposedly located near enough to be in danger. right sector says it's theirs.
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RT wrote:Firefighters die combating massive blaze at fuel storage facility near Kiev (VIDEO)
Published time: June 09, 2015 06:52 Edited time: June 09, 2015 09:34
A massive fire has caused explosions of oil tanks at a storage facility near Kiev, killing several firefighters. The inferno is out of control, setting 17 huge tanks ablaze. There are gas storage tanks on the site at risk of detonation.
According to a local TV channel 1+1, cited by RIA: "There were 180 rescuers at the facility when the blast occurred. It's not known how many survived. Ambulances can hardly manage to cope with transporting those injured. Rescuers say that gas pipelines run behind the oil tanks on fire, and they can explode as well.”
"Just like you, we consider the possibility that fire from the oil depot may spread to the airfield area. The Defense Ministry and the air command 'Center' did all they could to prevent such a scenario. All special services of the airfiled and personnel are ready. This is a facility under our special attention," Ukraine's Defense Ministry said.
The disaster at the BRSM-Nafta facility some 20 km southwest of the Ukrainian capital started Monday night, with one worker fatally burned in the initial fire. Five others were hospitalized with serious burns. Continue reading.
Life-Maria Channel wrote:Giant fire at the tank farm BRYU Vasil'kov 9 June 15
Espreso TV via Google Translate wrote:Фотофакт: через пожежу на нафтобазі під Києвом пройшов чорний дощ
Photo-fact: by the fire on tank farms in Kyiv was black rain
JUNE 9, 2015 12:11
A massive fire on tank farms under Vasilkova in Kiev area was a rain of heavy fuel oil
According to local residents during Vasylkova formed a black cloud in which the rain poured as if from oil. Drops stains remain on the clothes, they are very difficult to withdraw.
"I live a couple of kilometers, air vazhkuvate, that was a little rain in the morning, cars etc. all in black drop" - say in social networks. Continue reading.
@FPaidinfull via Google Translate wrote:Red-tank farm Youth Union. It burns.
Orange-firing range.
Green-military warehouses.
Blue -neftebaza KLO.
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RIP to the firefighters, but in all honesty if this is a known location and staging point for the "Donbas Safari", why for the love of God wasn't it targeted last year.
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They're evacuating two villages and trying to take out munitions from the nearby weapons depot, also a truck with a tank used to transport chlorine has arrived so there're probably dangerous chemicals somewhere.auslander wrote:The fire is serious. The nearest village is being evacuated and as reported the forest is on fire. Unconfirmed reports are there is a weapons and ammunition storage depot in the area, supposedly located near enough to be in danger. right sector says it's theirs.
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Take a look about how fucked up ,is the american society..
and experimental poll ask for a sign by americans to launch a nuclear preventive strike
in Russia.. so that America can maintain their world superiority..
I bet none of this American idiots who signed that.. understand where is Russia located in the world map , That Russia is not lybia and not aware the consequences for their nation of a nuclear war with Russia.. Americans are so brainwashed to believe in US exceptionalism ,and invulnerability that they will sign a third world war with nuclear weapons without the blinking of an eye..
Now check when the question was a new law in America for mandotary Euthanasia
on Senior citizens... to help lower the cost of Obama health care.. the most amazing
thing is that many signed it.. Zombie Land.. the walking deads..
And americans don't even know the name of their capital..
This is why i do not believe in the popular voting in a nation with so many
zombies unaware of anything in the world . That explain why is possible for the mafia
government to rule without any opposition. The US education system is one of the worse
in the world.. to keep people ignorant .. Recently i read something about US schools rewriting
history and removing the african slavery from their books.
and experimental poll ask for a sign by americans to launch a nuclear preventive strike
in Russia.. so that America can maintain their world superiority..
I bet none of this American idiots who signed that.. understand where is Russia located in the world map , That Russia is not lybia and not aware the consequences for their nation of a nuclear war with Russia.. Americans are so brainwashed to believe in US exceptionalism ,and invulnerability that they will sign a third world war with nuclear weapons without the blinking of an eye..
Now check when the question was a new law in America for mandotary Euthanasia
on Senior citizens... to help lower the cost of Obama health care.. the most amazing
thing is that many signed it.. Zombie Land.. the walking deads..
And americans don't even know the name of their capital..
This is why i do not believe in the popular voting in a nation with so many
zombies unaware of anything in the world . That explain why is possible for the mafia
government to rule without any opposition. The US education system is one of the worse
in the world.. to keep people ignorant .. Recently i read something about US schools rewriting
history and removing the african slavery from their books.
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