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PapaDragon wrote:This has more to do with local Ukrainian issues. If UAF does not attack then sheep will soon start to wonder what is the point of it all if army does not reclaim ''undefended'' territory.
Tiraspol's response to multinational exercise in Moldova I suppose.Khepesh wrote:PMR announce mobilisation of men between 18 and 27
It doesn't mean imminent war, just a precaution I guess.
They are not idiots for saying it. They are liars, but not idiots.sepheronx wrote:
But we already know the idiots will say that rebels are shelling each other.
djmixer1x wrote:ATO. Mukachevo. Natshvardiya b "People are examples. Mother. 18+
Today in the village of Uzhhorod district Kamyanytsya BMW driver stopped on the main road before railway moving on red signal natshvardiyi column, moving from side Perechyn, on a secondary road, not paying attention to the respective signs decided matched BMW prevents them pass and demanded vidyihaty, though could quietly obyihaty car through the passenger window tried to explain that vidyihaty machine can not move for closed natshvardiyi the soldiers pulled him from the car, put on the ground and severely beaten while examples of machines, and also got the driver of the vehicle.
The situation for the passenger and driver could be worse, but immediately began to gather people and stop the car when natshvardiya noticed that they removed the video, the guy let go, but the people did not allow them to escape and called the police.
Witnesses claim that at least one soldier was drunk natshvardiyi.
This is a war. Kiev is fighting this war to win while the rebels are "fighting" this war to appease the Kremlin, the West and the OSCE.sepheronx wrote:Kiev forces open fire at militias amid weapons withdrawal
Gee, what heros Ukraine has got. Pathetic.
They consider the land of Donbass as their but people of Donbass are expendable.Flagship Victory wrote:PapaDragon wrote:This has more to do with local Ukrainian issues. If UAF does not attack then sheep will soon start to wonder what is the point of it all if army does not reclaim ''undefended'' territory.
I don't think western Ukrainians even given a d about Donetsk. They do not consider Donetsk their territory. They are just here to kill people for fun.
JohninMK wrote:It looks like any meaningful agreement on anything by the Contact Group in Minsk tomorrow, regardless of signed or not, will only be actioned by Kiev if DNR/LPR do everything in Minsk 2 (as per Kiev interpretation) before Kiev does anything. But I may be wrong
KIEV, July 20. /TASS/. Reaching an agreement on bilateral withdrawal of weapons under 100mm calibre from the front line in east Ukraine’s Donbas region will depend on local militias’ actions, a Ukraine military spokesman in Kiev said on Monday.
Oleksandr Motuzyanyk told the 112 Ukraine television news channel: "First of all, it is necessary that the terms of the Minsk deal with regard to complete ceasefire are fulfilled [by militias]. If the truce holds for at least several days, we can talk about further implementation of all Minsk agreements [by Ukrainian side]."
On July 18, the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk (DPR and LPR) announced the start of withdrawing tanks and armoured vehicles with a calibre of less than 100mm to a distance of at least three kilometers away from the line of military engagement. The self-defence forces of the Donetsk republic have withdrawn more than 50% of tanks and armored vehicles. Their weaponry remains only to the north of Donetsk and in Debaltseve — the tensest parts of the front line. The Luhansk republic has withdrawn weaponry everywhere along the contact line, excluding the area near the Schastye settlement.
Withdrawing weapons under 100mm calibre has been discussed in Minsk, Belarus, for a long time, but the sides failed to come to an agreement. The two eastern republics decided to start the pullback unilaterally in the interests of establishing peace.
On Tuesday, envoys of Moscow, Kiev, the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Luhansk and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe will gather in the Belarusian capital to continue Contact Group meetings reviewing progress of the ceasefire. Discussions are expected to include four working subgroups. The sides hope to reach an agreement on bilateral withdrawal of weapons with a calibre of less than 100mm.
JohninMK wrote:A bit better from Bausarin
MOSCOW, July 20. /TASS/. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have opened fire at the positions of the self-proclaimed Donetsk republic militias in Gorlovka at the time when armored vehicles were being withdrawn from there, the Donetsk News Agency reported on Monday. "Fire was opened at the positions near the village of Zaitsevo in northwestern Gorlovka, which have just been abandoned by the people’s militia," the report says.
Meanwhile, a spokesman for the DPR defense ministry told the agency that "snipers were working and automatic grenade launchers were used" in the Zaitsevo area. The positions of the Kiev-controlled units were "located two kilometers away from the place of armored vehicles withdrawal." DPR defense ministry spokesman Eduard Basurin said on Monday the militia forces of the self-proclaimed Donetsk republic have withdrawn more than 50% of tanks and armored vehicles from the contact line on Donbas.
"More than 50% of weaponry has been withdrawn. However, this process is rather lengthy, and there are certain places where we are not withdrawing [heavy weaponry] yet, we will see how the situation develops," the Donetsk News Agency quoted Basurin as saying.
Basurin stressed that lists of withdrawn weapons will be handed to the monitoring mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).
On July 18, the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics (DPR and LPR) announced the start of withdrawing tanks and armored vehicles of less than 100mm caliber from the contact line to at least 3 kilometers. DPR weaponry remains only to the north of Donetsk and in Deblatsevo - the tensest parts of the contact line. LPR is withdrawing weaponry everywhere along the contact line, excluding the area near the Schastye settlement.
Withdrawing weaponry of less than 100mm caliber has been discussed in Minsk for a long time, but the sides failed to reach an agreement. DPR and LPR decided to start the withdrawal unilaterally in the interests of establishing peace.
franco wrote:For the worriers, how long does it take to move an AFV 3-5 kms?
RiaNovosti via Google Translate wrote:Киев считает "пустыми" заявления ополченцев об отводе техники
Kiev considers "empty" statements militia to challenge technology
17:44 07/20/2015 (Updated: 17:55 07/20/2015)
Security officials say that Kiev in favor of the full implementation of the Minsk agreements and concrete actions.
KIEV, July 20 - RIA Novosti. Ukrainian Defense Ministry said "empty" statements about the withdrawal of armed militias caliber of less than 100 millimeters from the line of contact in the Donbass region and insists on full implementation of the Minsk Agreement.
The militia of Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republic on Sunday unilaterally began removal equipment and weapons caliber of less than 100 millimeters from the line of contact. The armed forces of Ukraine have not received the corresponding order. Earlier, in Kiev in the Joint Centre for Monitoring and Coordination of the cease-fire in the Donbass (STSKK) Roman Yurchilo said that the center did not confirm the removal of militia weapons.
"Demonstrative withdrawal of heavy weapons by terrorists, highly publicized in recent days, amid constant bombardment from artillery, which have long should be disabled, and the use of which is contrary to all agreements, is nothing but a means of masking their true plans and criminal acts" - said in a statement the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
Security officials say that Kiev in favor of the full implementation of the Minsk agreements and concrete actions.
"Condemning all manifestations of this kind, the Ukrainian side was in favor of the full and unconditional implementation of the agreements and calls on the Minsk of the Russian Federation and the OSCE to use all available means to achieve this objective. The specific actions and a clear implementation of political decisions and not indicative steps and empty declarations should be the key to peace settlement in the implementation of the agreements Minsk "- believe in the Ukrainian Defense Ministry. Continue reading.
Rodinazombie wrote:People need to understand the difference between removing weapons of a certain calibre and withdrawing its forces completely. NAF has removed the weapons stated, but not troops, so ukies arent just going to walk in unopposed, as soon as they try and contact is made., the tanks will be back.
Shirokino is different as they completely demilitarised the area, allowing ukies to just stroll in. This is different.
Rodinazombie wrote:People need to understand the difference between removing weapons of a certain calibre and withdrawing its forces completely. NAF has removed the weapons stated, but not troops, so ukies arent just going to walk in unopposed, as soon as they try and contact is made., the tanks will be back.
Shirokino is different as they completely demilitarised the area, allowing ukies to just stroll in. This is different.
Khepesh wrote:pravy sektor have set up a checkpoint, or rather taken over a checkpoint, on the border with PMR at the village of Tymkovo in Odessa oblast. "normal" Ukranian border guards and customs officers are said to welcome this and are willing to cooperate. Bizarre, complete anarchy... http://public.od.ua/news/2015/07/20/ps-ustanovil-blokpost/# and the location is here https://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=29.290267%2C47.873327&z=13&l=map
sepheronx wrote:Rodinazombie wrote:People need to understand the difference between removing weapons of a certain calibre and withdrawing its forces completely. NAF has removed the weapons stated, but not troops, so ukies arent just going to walk in unopposed, as soon as they try and contact is made., the tanks will be back.
Shirokino is different as they completely demilitarised the area, allowing ukies to just stroll in. This is different.
What is going on in Shiokino? Did osce demand PUkes leave?
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