The Situation in the Ukraine. #18

What Sputnic says

Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania Set Up Joint Military Brigade

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150724/1024998841.html

Cowboy's daughter wrote:
What Sputnic says

Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania Set Up Joint Military Brigade

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150724/1024998841.html

In 10 years they will be strong enough to invade San Marino or maybe even Faroe Islands.  

But holding ground will mean long and bloody struggle.

One of our most respected newspapers released an interesting article. It's about the upcoming elections and banning the communist party from the elections. The author is pretty harsh in his conclusion. He says "the people in Ukraine only have 3 things to choose from: Neoliberal Right, Nationalistic Right and Ultra Right".

Neutrality wrote:One of our most respected newspapers released an interesting article. It's about the upcoming elections and banning the communist party from the elections. The author is pretty harsh in his conclusion. He says "the people in Ukraine only have 3 things to choose from: Neoliberal Right, Nationalistic Right and Ultra Right".

That's one way to put it.


Militants LC repair BM-27 ("Hurricane")




4th Independent Tank Battalion and the 5th motorized infantry company HM LC in Action



Under the Lviv Regional State Administration activists chanted: "Ukraine needs a president, a Ukrainian, not a Jewish businessman Valtsman!"



Drunken Ukrainian soldiers fired artillery installation
Published on Jul 23, 2015



Food riots in Chernigov - people beat the police and the National Guard under

Video I haven't seen. An elderly woman gave a soldier a smack!

You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Werewolf wrote:That is not antisemitism since those jews are Khazar jews and under the fact that those scum Zionazi jews like Porky and Jezenjewk are using nazis for US behalf yes this scum should be shot on sight, war criminals waging war just like zionazis through out history always were opportunists and used and abused radicals with similiar supremacy garbage believes, but you as a jew victimize yourselfs and let me guess you are white?

You're asking me if I'm "white"?

My Paternal ancestors originally were Viking (Norse), and my Maternal original ancestors came from the Iberian Peninsula, and yes I have Jewish dna, but not religion. My Jewish ancestry is on my Maternal side: Moroccan, Sephardic, and Ashkenazic, & one thing I am not is anybody's victim and not a "self-victimizer". I am of a lot of ethnicitiies.  What does that have to do with anything?  

A shit you have... ther eis no DNA of a religion maybe of mental illness to believe in supremacy but not a DNA for religion. You are caucasian with a Caucasian DNA but appareantly not all jews can distinguish their own lies from actual facts. Fuck it i declare my own ethnicity if jews can spew garbage...ethnicity with blackjack and hookers.

At 0400 Staromikhailovka was bombarded by ukrops. Houses damaged but no casualties reported. This village is on the front line to the north of Marinka and east of Krasnogorovka. This is reported by residents and not reported on any of the usual sources of information. I only mention this because there is a pattern of stuff happening around and near the Petrovsky district that does not get reported and then suddenly becomes serious. In this case after six hours It's probably nothing more then it seems at face value, ukrops trolling, but with a purpose.

higurashihougi wrote:

We are all Black, because human's ancestors happened to be originated in somewhere in Africa.

So does it mean I can use the n word and get away with it?

higurashihougi wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Werewolf wrote:That is not antisemitism since those jews are Khazar jews and under the fact that those scum Zionazi jews like Porky and Jezenjewk are using nazis for US behalf yes this scum should be shot on sight, war criminals waging war just like zionazis through out history always were opportunists and used and abused radicals with similiar supremacy garbage believes, but you as a jew victimize yourselfs and let me guess you are white?

You're asking me if I'm "white"?

My Paternal ancestors originally were Viking (Norse), and my Maternal original ancestors came from the Iberian Peninsula, and yes I have Jewish dna, but not religion. My Jewish ancestry is on my Maternal side: Moroccan, Sephardic, and Ashkenazic, & one thing I am not is anybody's victim and not a "self-victimizer". I am of a lot of ethnicitiies.  What does that have to do with anything?  

A shit you have... ther eis no DNA of a religion maybe of mental illness to believe in supremacy but not a DNA for religion. You are caucasian with a Caucasian DNA but appareantly not all jews can distinguish their own lies from actual facts. Fuck it i declare my own ethnicity if jews can spew garbage...ethnicity with blackjack and hookers.

We are all Black, because human's ancestors happened to be originated in somewhere in Africa.

Then i can call you with full legitemacy an amoibe because at some stage we all were primitive monocellular species.

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Well that isn't exactly fair to say when there were many numerous protests in Kiev throughout winter. Sure none of them gained any momentum but they did happen even if largely ignored by media.

As for the upcoming winter, the situation in Ukraine hasn't gotten any better. If you look at some Cowboy Daughter's posts, bread lines, which were last prevalent around the 90's, are increasing fast even outside the ATO zone.

Regular wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

We are all Black, because human's ancestors happened to be originated in somewhere in Africa.

So does it mean I can use the n word and get away with it?

I don't get this. So called "whites" call themselves cracker and redneck all the time? Or whats the russian equivalent, vatnik?
Try respecting others. It's refreshing.

higurashihougi wrote:

We are all Black, because human's ancestors happened to be originated in somewhere in Africa.

It's just that the truth is something entirely different.

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

I remember the same rumors and yet nothing happened. Maybe people value their lives more and take hardship over being shot and tortured by nazi thugs. I'm just guessing.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Well that isn't exactly fair to say when there were many numerous protests in Kiev throughout winter. Sure none of them gained any momentum but they did happen even if largely ignored by media.

As for the upcoming winter, the situation in Ukraine hasn't gotten any better. If you look at some Cowboy Daughter's posts, bread lines, which were last prevalent around the 90's, are increasing fast even outside the ATO zone.

Quite true, but the situation is even worse in the Donbass republics, would you not agree? Is the risk of uprisings even greater there, or is it mostly a case of wishful thinking from either side?

Dforce wrote: I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.
But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Sirgay Nikolyevna Petrovsky and Igor Myasa'vich Gerkin met last summer during the retreat from Kramatorsk. It was love at first sight. After the retreat to Donetsk the lovely couple spent hours, days, weeks gazing in to each other's eyes, lost in rapturous dreams of the long awaited wedding night, feeding each other choice bits of salo, braiding each other's nostril hair with delicate and tiny pink bows, going through countless wedding catalogs looking for that perfect pair of dresses.

By late January this year all was ready, the wedding dresses and bride's boy's dresses purchased, the groom's best boy had his tuxedo coat, top hat and shirt front and as an added special touch the best boy opted to wear spats, no shoes, just the spats, all the better to show of the 9 hours of work to do his toe nails in just the right shade of puce to match the wedding dresses.

All the fighting from both sides had stopped as the retreat came to an end, an unspoken truce came in to effect to give the couple time and silence, both sides watching the couple's tender love deepen as it became an epic love story, one to be told down through the ages, to write songs of, make plays of.....

The big day came, the couple had chosen the quaint little town of Debaltsyevo for the nuptials and the celebrations after. The local priest offered his cozy chapel, three square meters of Rocco elegance, to the couple. Hundreds of guests from both sides arrived for the gala affair, everyone in their Sunday best uniforms, boots and automats shined, hair combed, fingernails relatively clean, sprays of flowers in everyone's hands. As the happy couple walked slowly and regally to the chapel, admiring crowds of guests lining both sides of the flower strewn walkway, the groom's best boy accidentally stepped on the bride's boy's slipper, the bride's boy hissed something unpleasant to him, the groom took umbrage at the bride's boy, the bride punched the groom in the mouth, the priest pushed the couple aside, picked up the bride's boy and tossed him over the fence in to the pigsty next to the chapel, the bride's boy's Ukrainian friends went for the priest, who by the by held his own in the dust up, one of the Opolchensya pulled one of the Ukrainian's balaklava down to his waist, effectively pinning his arms whereupon the Opolchensya got beaned on the helmet by a Ukrainian, and the fight was on.

And there you have it, my friend Dforce, an explanation for you as to what happened, who did it and why.

Dforce wrote:Quite true, but the situation is even worse in the Donbass republics, would you not agree?

There's a clear difference between people living in a conflict zone and distant urbanites.

Dforce wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Well that isn't exactly fair to say when there were many numerous protests in Kiev throughout winter. Sure none of them gained any momentum but they did happen even if largely ignored by media.

As for the upcoming winter, the situation in Ukraine hasn't gotten any better. If you look at some Cowboy Daughter's posts, bread lines, which were last prevalent around the 90's, are increasing fast even outside the ATO zone.

Quite true, but the situation is even worse in the Donbass republics, would you not agree? Is the risk of uprisings even greater there, or is it mostly a case of wishful thinking from either side?

People in Donbass understand why their situation is bad, they are getting bombarded with impunity and Kiev has setup up a blockade. People on the other side of the conflict zone, that is the rest of Ukraine, are seeing their standard(s) of living fade away and they are not living in a conflict zone. Do the math and find out who's going to riot sooner.

Neutrality wrote:

Dforce wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Well that isn't exactly fair to say when there were many numerous protests in Kiev throughout winter. Sure none of them gained any momentum but they did happen even if largely ignored by media.

As for the upcoming winter, the situation in Ukraine hasn't gotten any better. If you look at some Cowboy Daughter's posts, bread lines, which were last prevalent around the 90's, are increasing fast even outside the ATO zone.

Quite true, but the situation is even worse in the Donbass republics, would you not agree? Is the risk of uprisings even greater there, or is it mostly a case of wishful thinking from either side?

People in Donbass understand why their situation is bad, they are getting bombarded with impunity and Kiev has setup up a blockade. People on the other side of the conflict zone, that is the rest of Ukraine, are seeing their standard(s) of living fade away and they are not living in a conflict zone. Do the math and find out who's going to riot sooner.

I see no indication that there will be any revolt in Novorossiya against their government. The people are not happy about the continuous and ongoing daily and nightly bombardments but we get the feeling the citizens of Novorossiya will persevere. Too much of their blood has been spilled, to many of their relatives and friends have died under the Uke guns, too many factories, businesses, infrastructure and homes have been destroyed for anyone to give up now.

auslander wrote:

Dforce wrote: I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.
But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

By late January this year all was ready, the wedding dresses and bride's boy's dresses purchased, the groom's best boy had his tuxedo coat, top hat and shirt front and as an added special touch the best boy opted to wear spats, no shoes, just the spats, all the better to show of the 9 hours of work to do his toe nails in just the right shade of puce to match the wedding dresses.

I think I have met the first proper clown here, not bad!

I was reading trough his "Plokhoy Soldat"-comments on antikvariat the other day, and they are quite interesting.

It's not a surprise that there would be an expectation of discontent on the part of the Donbas residents. NATO
is repeating the lies of its sock puppets in Kiev (so really it is NATO that is source of the lies) that the NAF is
doing the shelling of civilians. Maybe some retards in NATO can swallow this drivel, but humans with functional
brains will see obvious shit for what it is. You know, there is something called the Doppler effect and it happens
to be really useful for using sound to identify from where the shells are incoming. Residents of Donetsk and and
every other regime shelling target know exactly which side the shells and MLRS rockets are coming from. The
only collection of turds that cannot determine the origin of the shelling is the NATO tool called OSCE in their
creative fiction "reports".

auslander wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Dforce wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:You can do almost anything you want with the people as long as you keep them well fed and warm in winter. One of the two is now suspect. This winter is going to be interesting for the ukes. Hunger and cold breeds revolution.

I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.

But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

Well that isn't exactly fair to say when there were many numerous protests in Kiev throughout winter. Sure none of them gained any momentum but they did happen even if largely ignored by media.

As for the upcoming winter, the situation in Ukraine hasn't gotten any better. If you look at some Cowboy Daughter's posts, bread lines, which were last prevalent around the 90's, are increasing fast even outside the ATO zone.

Quite true, but the situation is even worse in the Donbass republics, would you not agree? Is the risk of uprisings even greater there, or is it mostly a case of wishful thinking from either side?

People in Donbass understand why their situation is bad, they are getting bombarded with impunity and Kiev has setup up a blockade. People on the other side of the conflict zone, that is the rest of Ukraine, are seeing their standard(s) of living fade away and they are not living in a conflict zone. Do the math and find out who's going to riot sooner.

I see no indication that there will be any revolt in Novorossiya against their government. The people are not happy about the continuous and ongoing daily and nightly bombardments but we get the feeling the citizens of Novorossiya will persevere. Too much of their blood has been spilled, to many of their relatives and friends have died under the Uke guns, too many factories, businesses, infrastructure and homes have been destroyed for anyone to give up now.

This winter should be different to last on the food and heat front, on both prices and supply, if only as it is possible that there will be no fighting (it might have happened) and both sides will have had more experience of the new, reduced state of Ukraine.

The biggest impact in the west will be prices of both which are now higher and by winter will be higher still, especially on power as part of the IMF conditions, whilst wages are frozen. With no IMF pressure on east prices and more integration with Russia there should be less price pressure. I suspect that, in the absence of proper fighting, a significant section of the east's manpower and resources is currently going into agriculture. Has anyone heard of soldiers doing farming?

Supply on both sides will be tight, we don't know what will happen with gas except that both sides have dramatically reduced their consumption, on food there should be enough, especially on local products but imports will be an issue.

What we don't know is what the effect of increased levels of corruption in the supply chains will have along with reduced expectations by the people.

As to who is going to riot sooner that is easy and nothing to do with maths. It is all down to strength in belief in one's cause. Now, as a simple indication of that, which side has the mainly volunteer army drawn from a smaller population?

Dforce wrote:

auslander wrote:

Dforce wrote: I seem to recall the exact same line from some before last winter, but nothing happened.
But that is not what I was curious about, I want to talk about Sergey Nikolayevich Petrovsky. What is your take on "khmury", how involved was he in the uprising in the East? What are his political motives? What is his relations to Strelkov?

By late January this year all was ready, the wedding dresses and bride's boy's dresses purchased, the groom's best boy had his tuxedo coat, top hat and shirt front and as an added special touch the best boy opted to wear spats, no shoes, just the spats, all the better to show of the 9 hours of work to do his toe nails in just the right shade of puce to match the wedding dresses.

I think I have met the first proper clown here, not bad!  

I was reading trough his "Plokhoy Soldat"-comments on antikvariat the other day, and they are quite interesting.

Already making friends I see. May I remind you that this is not MP.net? We're actually civil people here and we don't throw insults like that. Clever tongue-in-cheek by the way, truly shows your mental age.