The Situation in the Ukraine. #21

Project Canada wrote:

Russia Won't Let Ukrainians Freeze This Winter, Despite Hostility From Kiev

http://sputniknews.com/business/20150914/1026964308/russia-ukraine-gas-europe.html#ixzz3liFSc3Dv

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

Russia Won't Let Ukrainians Freeze This Winter, Despite Hostility From Kiev

http://sputniknews.com/business/20150914/1026964308/russia-ukraine-gas-europe.html#ixzz3liFSc3Dv

I wonder why Poland does not get such preferential treatment, only the highest gas prices for the Russian natural gas.

Erk wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

Russia Won't Let Ukrainians Freeze This Winter, Despite Hostility From Kiev

http://sputniknews.com/business/20150914/1026964308/russia-ukraine-gas-europe.html#ixzz3liFSc3Dv

I wonder why Poland does not get such preferential treatment, only the highest gas prices for the Russian natural gas.

Poland are further away, ie. more transit rights to pay to get there, and ultimately it's the deal you cut, if they have weak negotiators they get a worse deal.

Ukraine is de facto run by a “shadow government” whose strings are pulled by oligarchs behind the scenes, Mikheil Saakashvili, ex-president of Georgia and governor of Odesa Oblast, said on Sept. 12 at the Yalta European Strategy forum in Kyiv.

“We certainly have the reality of some kind of shadow, parallel government,” he said. “You can describe Ukraine as a joint-stock company owned by oligarchs… Every oligarch owns his own judges, prosecutors and paramilitary units.”

higurashihougi wrote:Sometimes Suckashizvili managed to say something right.

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/s-aakashvili-says-ukraine-run-by-shadow-oligarchic-government-397787.html

Ukraine is de facto run by a “shadow government” whose strings are pulled by oligarchs behind the scenes, Mikheil Saakashvili, ex-president of Georgia and governor of Odesa Oblast, said on Sept. 12 at the Yalta European Strategy forum in Kyiv.

“We certainly have the reality of some kind of shadow, parallel government,” he said. “You can describe Ukraine as a joint-stock company owned by oligarchs… Every oligarch owns his own judges, prosecutors and paramilitary units.”

Well, the hounds are biting each others.

PapaDragon wrote:
Ukrainian Migrants Seen as ‘Third Class’ by Europe- Austrian Media

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150915/1027004938/ukraine-refugees-media.html#ixzz3lna0jXc4

JohninMK wrote:If true this is amazing, taken at face value, hundreds and hundreds of tanks, APC and IFV must have hit the roads. I am sure he didn't mean to include trucks and other logistics vehicles, possibly clearer in the original Ukrainian.

KIEV, September 14. /TASS/. All Ukrainian tanks have been withdrawn from the contact line in accordance with the Minsk agreements, Ukrainian defense ministry said on Monday.

"All military vehicles have been withdrawn from the contact line to a distance outlined in the Minsk agreements," the defense ministry said.

At the same time, the ministry noted that "they will fast take fighting positions and resist the enemy in case of provocation, right after receiving a command from the leadership."


I have just read today's OSCE update and there is, of course no mention of any mass vehicle movements in the Government controlled areas, no convoys, no loaded flatbeds (since the handful last week) etc. They would show up as 'illegal' movements at least to start with. There are still compounds with missing artillery and Grad launchers. Looks like normal Kiev B/S or that they don't know what is happening.

The head of Russia’s Security Council has said that US military aid to the Kiev regime was very unlikely as Washington is not interested in its success. It only intended to use the conflict in Ukraine as leverage for US influence on the European Union.

“As for military aid to Ukraine, I think this is not something to count on. Washington has no need of Ukraine’s military success just as it is not interested in the economic prosperity of this country,” Nikolai Patrushev told reporters on Tuesday.

He also noted that the United States were directly influencing top Ukrainian politicians and had used the crisis situation in the country, including the military conflict in Donbass, for its own geopolitical ends.

“It depends on the Department of State if the Minsk agreements will be observed. The White House emphasizes Europe’s dependence when decisions on international relations are made. It also uses sanctions in attempts to break Russia, which carries out independent internal and external policies,” Interfax quoted the security official as saying.

“The war started by Kiev gives Washington an opportunity to radically influence the policies of EU nations and demonstrate their ‘exceptionalism’ in solving any issues in any region of the world,” Patrushev told reporters.

JohninMK wrote:If there is to be a day in court.................

MOSCOW, September 15. /TASS/. Self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) has readied evidence for 150 episodes of war crimes committed by Ukrainian military in Donbass in order to hand it to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), Chairman of the public commission for war crimes Ivan Kopyl told the Donetsk news agency.

"The cases qualitatively worked out will be transferred to the European Court of Human Rights and International Criminal Court as our main destinations," Kopyl said. "An International Tribunal into the Ukraine War may be established. Now there are around 150 such episodes." All the episodes are supported by evidence and experts’ assessments, Kopyl said. "Work on the cases is going on constantly so they can be handed later to the international courts and our experts never cease to work," he said. "As of today, 2,500 cases of war crimes committed by Ukrainian Armed Forces’ servicemen have been recorded in the register."

On July 8, the heads of the self-proclaimed People’s Republics of Lugansk (LPR) and Donetsk (DPR) Igor Plotnitsky and Alexander Zakharchenko filed an appeal with the UN Security Council to establish an international tribunal for investigating into the crimes committed by Ukrainian troops in Donbass.

In a joint statement, the leaders said that Ukraine’s Armed Forces, National Guard and punitive battalions committed mass murders, tortured people and used weapons banned by international conventions as well as deliberately targeted residential areas and civil infrastructure.

magnumcromagnon wrote:Let's not hold our breath, the ECHR is notoriously Russophobic, I can't even think of a time where they even ruled in favor for Russia. Honestly it's just like PACE, Russia should permanently suspend cooperation with that stupifyingly pathetic kangaroo court.

Kiev Wants EU to Pay for Restoration of Donbass

Ukraine relies on financial aid from the European Union to restore the infrastructure in Donbass ruined during the military operation in the region, Ukrainian Infrastructure Minister Andrey Pivovarsky said.

magnumcromagnon wrote:For all the Trump supporters...Time to eat your words:

Trump Slams Obama as Weak on Russia

sepheronx wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:For all the Trump supporters...Time to eat your words:

Trump Slams Obama as Weak on Russia

Trump flip flops. He was saying Ukraine was Europes Problem. Now Obama is too soft on them.

Hence why he has now fallen behind in the polls. Same with Hitlery.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Erk wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

Russia Won't Let Ukrainians Freeze This Winter, Despite Hostility From Kiev

http://sputniknews.com/business/20150914/1026964308/russia-ukraine-gas-europe.html#ixzz3liFSc3Dv

I wonder why Poland does not get such preferential treatment, only the highest gas prices for the Russian natural gas.

Poland are further away, ie. more transit rights to pay to get there, and ultimately it's the deal you cut, if they have weak negotiators they get a worse deal.

It doesn't help to have a country (Poland) led by very hostile Russophobic Neo-cons.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:


Poland pays more than such far wealthier and even farther away located countries like Germany, Austria, Czechia, and others.


And "Russia will not let Ukraine freeze" but is Ukraine friendly to Russia? Ukraine is currently more hostile to Russia than Poland is.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Erk wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Project Canada wrote:

Russia Won't Let Ukrainians Freeze This Winter, Despite Hostility From Kiev

http://sputniknews.com/business/20150914/1026964308/russia-ukraine-gas-europe.html#ixzz3liFSc3Dv

I wonder why Poland does not get such preferential treatment, only the highest gas prices for the Russian natural gas.

Poland are further away, ie. more transit rights to pay to get there, and ultimately it's the deal you cut, if they have weak negotiators they get a worse deal.

It doesn't help to have a country (Poland) led by very hostile Russophobic Neo-cons.

Poland pays more than such far wealthier and even farther away located countries like Germany, Austria, Czechia, and others.


And "Russia will not let Ukraine freeze" but is Ukraine friendly to Russia? Ukraine is currently more hostile to Russia than Poland is.

flamming_python wrote:
The Ukraine should be kicked out, banished and cut-off from everything Russian; let them buy gas with a discount from Europe if it's a discount that they want.

Khepesh wrote:Spartak yesterday