Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

Mustafa wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Mustafa wrote:Its simply prove. It says turkish citizens are not safe in russia. It also says it can be that if you have accident or felt ill, that russian doctors will just leave you ad not help.

Do you sincerely think that if a Turk goes to Russia he will be killed instantly by an angry mob ?

F*** it, that's just diplomatic/propaganda retaliation.

You are perfectly safe in Russia as long as you behave well and do not violate any laws. Just like it is very unlikely for you Turk to kill a Russian because of tension between two countries, right ?

Fair ?

All countries do not have law and police just for fun.

I´m not so sure about this. There are reports that indicate otherwise that turkish people in russia get harrased and bad treatment.

Mustafa wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mustafa wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

arpakola wrote:

Mustafa wrote:Our foreign ministry called russia a non secure nation today and warns turkish citizens to travel russia, since its not safe there.

One of the classic diplomatic statements of our time. It beats anything to have come out of Kiev.

Its simply prove. It says turkish citizens are not safe in russia. It also says it can be that if you have accident or felt ill, that russian doctors will just leave you ad not help.

Aaaaand, there goes the propaganda. It's ok Mustafa. It beats paying 400 euros for a pet Scan.

I don´t think its propaganda. You yourself ay russians want murder turkish people. So its not secure. Russia is not a civilized nation so i think its possible they act that way.

Neutrality wrote:No need to make it obvious and retaliate immediately. Playing the long game is important. Intimidating the Turks on their borders is a good strategy. Place big ships of the Russian navy close to their borders, continue striking targets on the Syrian/Turkish border and actually increase it, conduct military exercises which involves all sorts of military hardware right on their border(s). Provide Kudish fighters with military intelligence on Turkish military movements. Conduct military exercises together with the Greek military in Cyprus. The Turkish army will sooner or later get tired of the Russians intimidating them right on their sovereign borders and demand determination and decisiveness from Erdogan or they will do it for him. So let's suppose a military coup happens. What will change exactly? The likeliness of the Turkish military taking it up the ass like that will be considerably lower and they might decide to take out another Russia target. In case that happens, the Russians will have complete legitimacy and carte blanche to declare war on Turkey.

NationalRus wrote:calm the fuck down, soem of you guys gone bad shit crazy saying as nearly as ridicules things at every page as the lithuanian who said nuke voronezh.

yes we need to retaliate somehow specially as to escalate our campaign in the near turkish regions against the pro-turkish terrorist forces that erdogan claimed he wants to protect but being a crazy fantast demanding basically open war and killing of civilians is just as bad shit crazy.

the actual thing is i had the same discussion on MP.net with a lot of turkes about erdogan way back and basically every one of them agreed that erdogan is himself crazy, they live in the country and see what he does, and turkey supported radical jihadist so open that no turk even denied it and they called erdogan out the first after what happened at kasab when turkey used ther own country as a lunching platform for several thousand of armed jihadists (including al-nusra) to invade coastal lattakia.
most of the turks see were well what erdogan is so ther is no need to generalize them so badly as it is done to us by the west every single day

Mustafa wrote:Our foreign ministry called russia a non secure nation today and warns turkish citizens to travel russia, since its not safe there.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

you Turks really live in your own world dont you?.

During NATO's emergency meeting, The floor got mopped with Turkey. Greece started off with how Turkey is an "specialist" in aispace violations and how Turkey does it like its an national past-time with Greece. After that came France, calling Turkey some collourfull terms. my favourite still being "a Monkey playing with an loaded gun". Germany called Turkey's actions "irrational, impulsive". even the U.S called it "disproportionate". The Eastern EU NATO countries primarily tried to get it trough "your" (turkey's representative) thick skull that for every Russian life you take they usually take ten of yours, speaking out of their experience with the USSR in the cold war. and the fact that Turkey had not experienced an retaliatory attack yet was because of Putin taking the moral high-road and showing the world how "reckless" turkey's actions where.

Like its often mentioned, some politicians play checkers, Putin plays Chess.

I think the fact NATO is not sending one single piece of hardware to Turkey in the wake of this sends a clear message. i mean, Germany again stated its Patriot-Battery will continue withdrawal as planned and French its DuGaulle carrier will remain under protection of the Russian Slava-class missile cruiser. while everyone knows NATO is anxious to grab every chance to bash Russia. but Turkey just committed to an act of war outside the NATO article 5 chapter and everybody knows it. There are even NATO officers and EU politicians calling to expell Turkey out of NATO because its actions are "comparable to that of an rabid dog" or using terms insinuating the same. Perhaps check it out yourself, after this incident NATO aircraft tell the Russians exactly where their own aircraft are and never even get near Turkish fighters as they do not want to get involved in the Russia-Turkey standoff.

this is really not an penis-measure contest, this is about Turkey screwing up and finding itself without any NATO support on the receiving end of the Russian Federation's economic and military machine.

Mustafa wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

Mustafa wrote:Its simply prove. It says turkish citizens are not safe in russia. It also says it can be that if you have accident or felt ill, that russian doctors will just leave you ad not help.

Do you sincerely think that if a Turk goes to Russia he will be killed instantly by an angry mob ?

F*** it, that's just diplomatic/propaganda retaliation.

You are perfectly safe in Russia as long as you behave well and do not violate any laws. Just like it is very unlikely for you Turk to kill a Russian because of tension between two countries, right ?

Fair ?

All countries do not have law and police just for fun.

I´m not so sure about this. There are reports that indicate otherwise that turkish people in russia get harrased and bad treatment.

Oguzhanoz wrote:I am online for a while.
I read that a kurdish lawyer is killed.
You may have some ideas just because he is "kurdish".But he was a supporter of Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood.
Giving information just in case there are "logical" people here.

flamming_python wrote:

Oguzhanoz wrote:I am online for a while.
I read that a kurdish lawyer is killed.
You may have some ideas just because he is "kurdish".But he was a supporter of Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood.
Giving information just in case there are "logical" people here.

Kurdish lawyer killed in Russia?

Oguzhanoz wrote:page 1.
Each NATO
nation is thus fIree to conduct armed interception of unidentified aircraft if
it so desires.

I read page 3. But theese are for "peace time" strategies.There is a war at south of the border right now.Theoretically a syrian pilot can hijack the plane and traspass Turkish airspace or isis or anyone.
Turkey announced that it set its view of threat to "war" after f/4 is shot down 2-3 years ago,so it started to urge planes to 10 miles away from border.
I am not supporting anything,just my ideas.

Oguzhanoz wrote:page 1.
Each NATO
nation is thus fIree to conduct armed interception of unidentified aircraft if
it so desires.

I read page 3. But theese are for "peace time" strategies.There is a war at south of the border right now.Theoretically a syrian pilot can hijack the plane and traspass Turkish airspace or isis or anyone.
Turkey announced that it set its view of threat to "war" after f/4 is shot down 2-3 years ago,so it started to urge planes to 10 miles away from border.
I am not supporting anything,just my ideas.

I t is recognized that in peacetime each NATO nation is responsible for
any air defense activity over its. areas of national responsibility* Each NATO
nation is thus fIree to conduct armed interception of unidentified aircraft if
it so desires. Interception of unidentified aircraft is in fact being undertaken
within certain areas of SACEUR's command for the purpose of identification
only. It is therefore important that known and standardized rules of engagement
be followed by NATO and national forces and that the signals to be used in
communicating with the unidentified plane be standardized and widely disseminated