MiamiMachineShop wrote:Design a whole other ship? They have 7 of these practically in service already including the one project 20385 coming soon. Totally there is planned: 6 - 20380 for baltic fleet + 4 for pacific fleet with 2 project 20385. These ships are not meant for long distance patrol, the projects 20385 might be able to conduct serious anti sub or anti shipping operations a little farther from kuril islands, but they're not meant to go to indian ocean or farther blue waters. Add to that Admiral Nakhimov, Varyag, Udaloys, and the gorshkovs, which recently 2 more were laid down, and you have a blue ocean force. Add the submarines based at Vladivostok, and it is a balanced force and that is for the Pacific side only. All they miss is a carrier.
At Kamchatka base there will be 1241 upgraded, tarantul upgraded, and soon karakurts, grishas are outdated and need replacing, 20380 perfectly fulfills the roles of grisha and 1241(nanuchka) or tarantul. Karakurt will also accelerate the modernization of all frigates and corvettes there which are needed to protect from incursions of enemy subs, ships into sea of okhotsk for which destroyers are overkill. Large ships of pacific fleet should be operating past the kuril islands, not worrying about coastal operations. Within the island chain barrier, corvettes and frigates to their job reliably to secure Russian Federation
22380 are double the size and much more expensive than grisha, nanuchka and tarantul.
In addition they are too large to be built in most of the shipyards capable to build those smaller ships, so they need to be built in the shipyards capable to build frigates and destroyers, further delaying the series production of larger ships.
It is like the ukrainians planning to build their 2500 tons project 58250 corvettes in the same shipyard that was producing aircraft carriers until a few years before...
They were at least justified by having a lot of big, unused shipyards and practically no orders for large ships.
Russia has the opposite problem.