The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Isn't there a Forum rule that posters shouldn't insult and gloat over death of military combatants? These guys could have been conscripts.

Who gives a fuck if they are Hohols. Kill them all and hang them high.

Not all of them are criminals and artillerists.

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https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/ukraine-mp-volunteer-forces-raped-underage-girls-lugansk-region/?utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=push&utm_campaign=push+notifications&utm_content=English

Ukrainian MP Tatyana Chronovol has claimed that the commanders of the Tornado volunteer paramilitary had footage of underage girls being raped by the pro-Kiev fighters.
“When the Tornado commanders were detained, their mobile phones were seized. There was some scary footage on those phones… footage of sex orgies and rape,” Chronovol said in an interview with Ukrainian broadcaster 112.

“There were even babies. As I understand the baby’s mother was forced to do this under the threat of death of her child,” the Verkhovna Rada deputy stated.

“There were rapes of underage girls” in the videos she continued.

“They are not people, but animals,” the MP said of the Tornado troops and officers.

Circumstances can act oddly at times. Earthquake in war zone gives rise to accounts of heavy MLRS bombardment, which is understandable. Large scale exercise on Russian side of border to practise against combatting ukrops DRG infiltration, and so giving rise to the reports of helicopter activity and large troop movements into Perekop. A guy in Kerch hears about the incident at the border and just happens to see and film a company of marines driving thru Kerch and this becomes "re-enforcements" coming over from Krasnodar. However, the three border crossings were closed by Russia, and it seems, even still without anything official, that the incident did occur, all the other stuff happening at the same time making it seem bigger than it was, tho if it is true that from one to three border guards were killed, it was serious, but I think like the incident in summer 2014 over the border at Rostov, nothing further will happen and it will become one of those strange things that we will never know the truth about for several years, like Zelenepole.

Reliable eyes on report from Perekop says it was orcs who closed their crossing, not Russia. The orcs allowed traffic to proceed after four or so hours. The eyes were in the line of vehicles waiting on the orc side to go south to Krim.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Isn't there a Forum rule that posters shouldn't insult and gloat over death of military combatants? These guys could have been conscripts.

Who gives a fuck if they are Hohols. Kill them all and hang them high.

Not all of them are criminals and artillerists.

At very, very, best they are all at least accomplices.

Auslander, how is the situation in Krim altogether now?

Situation is calm and peaceful. Weather is totally grand, tourists are everywhere and underfoot most of the time, no shortages of anything and prices have moderated somewhat in the last month. In a word, normal.

Still no reliable reports of any incident on the Krim borders involving violence or attempted infiltration.

That is good to hear. Hoping that atmosphere will remain in the near future.

Manhunt on armed Ukrainian terrorists in Crimea

Zakharchenko holds emergency meeting, heads of ministries and departments recalled from vacation. http://news-front.info/2016/08/08/srochno-glava-dnr-sobral-ekstrennoe-soveshhanie-v-svyazi-s-napryazhyonnoj-obstanovkoj-na-fronte/

The latest on Crimea is that three or four border guards were killed. It is clear I think that this entire episode is shrouded in thick fog with contradictory claims.

On Plotnisky, it seems to make any comment questioning the official version is "treason".

All these elements and others point to war becoming more likely. Signs of nervousness, itchy trigger fingers, summer heat...

Edit: On the wanted poster. Four armed men wanted for crimminal activity by Armyansk [Kalanchak border crossing, and possibly part of a group of ten, six being killed, apparently] Slavic appearance. Wearing camouflage and one had an arm patch with flag of RF. Athletic build, 30-35 years of age. Men from late twenties to mid thirties are the right age for experienced spetsnaz. It has become clear some armed action happened, and also clear that there is a desire for it not to be mentioned in normal media.

No reliable source information in Deep South, zero, zip, nada. Doen't mean it didn't happen, it simply means no positive information.

Ukrainian terrorists located



Partial translation by Crueldwarf

"Preliminary information.

Crimea Republic. Operatives of Republican office of Russian FSB located a group of seven unknown men presumably recon and diversionary unit of Ukrainian Armed forces near village Suvorovo at 3 am of August 7. FSB operatives suffered casualties in the resulting firefight. Area of engagement is cordoned by FSB and Interior ministry forces and detachments of Federal armed service of National Guard of Russian Federation. Active search measures are in progress..."

Resident of Armyansk has got to Simferopol in the last few hours and said that internet in Armyansk is down, no journalists are allowed, and many soldiers are conducting a sweep of the city and surrounding countryside.

There is quite heated discussion about all of this across Russian networks, and that while there is no official news, there are no denials either.

Sergei Aksenov had the opportunity today to confirm or deny anything has happened, unfortunately no journalists at his briefing even asked. All he said was that he does not believe military action will take place over Crimea and that it will remain in Russia. I too do not believe that Kiev would attack Crimea as an invasion of their forces will be quickly destroyed. But this does not preclude provocatations. That there is such a commotion about this incident suggests that a firm denial is needed, at least Poklonskaya should make a statement, but nothing....

Odessa journalist Nata Peralova has said that there was more shooting last night, and that journalists in Crimea have been banned from reporting on pain of dismissal. This would not apply to her, but still she does not give solid details, only border closed, soldiers, shooting, nothing about who or why.

There is a version that this was not ukrops, but some internal problems, deserters, crimminals within the border guards engaged in smuggling etc, and that is why there is no official info, as it is embarrasing and no need to rock the boat during Olympics. I do not believe this version.

Sorry, still no official or unofficial word on this incident. In this berg, admittedly far from the scene but well within driving distance since the supposed incident, no enhanced security that can be seen. When I went out this early afternoon not a single Militsiya or Armed Forces patrol was visible on the main street on north side.

Khepesh wrote:There is a version that this was not ukrops, but some internal problems, deserters, crimminals within the border guards engaged in smuggling etc, and that is why there is no official info, as it is embarrasing and no need to rock the boat during Olympics. I do not believe this version.

With the numbers of cameras in and around the border crossing and in numbers in every office and cubbyhole in the area, anyone attempting to go for a bribe or smuggle in to Krim is a patent fool who longs for a stint counting trees in Siberia. Remember, the 'governor' of Sevastopol was promoted out of this berg last week....and sent to Siberia for his next task. That in and of itself was a very clear message, sent from heaven on earth to snow and endless forests and tundra.

Author from Yalta, Irina Belozerova, has also said that official media are prohibited from covering the situation, that activity at the border continues, that there are wounded in hospital and that today one has died. The major bloggers, tho mentioning this, also need to be careful as any with more than 8,000 views per day come under communications regulations, and can be shut down if they breach rules normally applicable to media organisations. I think Rozhin does not want to be exiled.....

sepheronx wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Author from Yalta, Irina Belozerova, has also said that official media are prohibited from covering the situation, that activity at the border continues, that there are wounded in hospital and that today one has died. The major bloggers, tho mentioning this, also need to be careful as any with more than 8,000 views per day come under communications regulations, and can be shut down if they breach rules normally applicable to media organisations. I think Rozhin does not want to be exiled.....

Yeah, OK... so all these years, all other news mentions about Russian soldiers killed in ops, yet this one? Especially since people can easily post about it? Sure sounds like a lot of bullshit.

Check Colonel Cassad.

So far, there are only two blog posts about this incident:
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2887151.html
and
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2884407.html

That is underreporting.

It became law a few years back that any blog having more than 8,000 views per day is classed as media and comes under same rules as any other media and any blogger breaking communications and media regulations can be shut down.

Are you of the view that as the media is silent, then nothing happened? Yet even if nothing did happen, that there is a widespread view that something did happen needs an explanation, if only to quash rumors, but silence even on that....

sepheronx wrote:Auslander is in Crimea, he would know far more.

He is not in Armyansk/the border zone where something serious is going on.

sepheronx wrote:I hate to break it to you guys, but blog postings don't exactly = truth. .

Rozhin certainly sometimes puts a "spin" on what certain events mean, and he does not disguise this as his politics are well known, but he has never been accused of lying about facts. A very few times he has reposted stuffing, and then retracted and apologized, and I have done the same here if I have made an error. Rozhin is in Sevastopol btw, and I think knows what happens.