The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

auslander wrote:"DONBASS: NEITHER WAR, NOR PEACE, BUT HUMANITARIAN CONVOYS

Russians are divided in their opinions on what position toward Ukraine Russian authorities should take, however favorable attitudes towards Ukraine and desire to help prevail over the willingness of Russians to cut themselves off from the problems that the Donbass inhabitants are facing today. Twenty-three percent of respondents think it is necessary to help residents of DPR and LPR get autonomous status as a part of Ukraine; 22% consider that LPR and DPR should be recognized as sovereign states. Every fifth (21%) supports the idea to incorporate these republics into Russia’s territory. And finally, 17% opt for non-intervention and cutting relations with the LPR and DPR governments.

As you can see there is no clear majority for the separation of Donbass/Novorussia from Ukraine"

Oh goody. A 'survey' that interviewed, by their counting, 1600 Russians and that is a basis for a conclusion? 1600 out of roughly 145 million? Get real.

That is how surveys works, ausländer.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

auslander wrote:"DONBASS: NEITHER WAR, NOR PEACE, BUT HUMANITARIAN CONVOYS

Russians are divided in their opinions on what position toward Ukraine Russian authorities should take, however favorable attitudes towards Ukraine and desire to help prevail over the willingness of Russians to cut themselves off from the problems that the Donbass inhabitants are facing today. Twenty-three percent of respondents think it is necessary to help residents of DPR and LPR get autonomous status as a part of Ukraine; 22% consider that LPR and DPR should be recognized as sovereign states. Every fifth (21%) supports the idea to incorporate these republics into Russia’s territory. And finally, 17% opt for non-intervention and cutting relations with the LPR and DPR governments.

As you can see there is no clear majority for the separation of Donbass/Novorussia from Ukraine"

Oh goody. A 'survey' that interviewed, by their counting, 1600 Russians and that is a basis for a conclusion? 1600 out of roughly 145 million? Get real.

That is how surveys works, ausländer.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

auslander wrote:"DONBASS: NEITHER WAR, NOR PEACE, BUT HUMANITARIAN CONVOYS

Russians are divided in their opinions on what position toward Ukraine Russian authorities should take, however favorable attitudes towards Ukraine and desire to help prevail over the willingness of Russians to cut themselves off from the problems that the Donbass inhabitants are facing today. Twenty-three percent of respondents think it is necessary to help residents of DPR and LPR get autonomous status as a part of Ukraine; 22% consider that LPR and DPR should be recognized as sovereign states. Every fifth (21%) supports the idea to incorporate these republics into Russia’s territory. And finally, 17% opt for non-intervention and cutting relations with the LPR and DPR governments.

As you can see there is no clear majority for the separation of Donbass/Novorussia from Ukraine"

Oh goody. A 'survey' that interviewed, by their counting, 1600 Russians and that is a basis for a conclusion? 1600 out of roughly 145 million? Get real.

That is how surveys works, ausländer.

That means that 40% of the Russians are stupid?

23 + 17 = 40%

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

auslander wrote:"DONBASS: NEITHER WAR, NOR PEACE, BUT HUMANITARIAN CONVOYS

Russians are divided in their opinions on what position toward Ukraine Russian authorities should take, however favorable attitudes towards Ukraine and desire to help prevail over the willingness of Russians to cut themselves off from the problems that the Donbass inhabitants are facing today. Twenty-three percent of respondents think it is necessary to help residents of DPR and LPR get autonomous status as a part of Ukraine; 22% consider that LPR and DPR should be recognized as sovereign states. Every fifth (21%) supports the idea to incorporate these republics into Russia’s territory. And finally, 17% opt for non-intervention and cutting relations with the LPR and DPR governments.

As you can see there is no clear majority for the separation of Donbass/Novorussia from Ukraine"

Oh goody. A 'survey' that interviewed, by their counting, 1600 Russians and that is a basis for a conclusion? 1600 out of roughly 145 million? Get real.

That is how surveys works, ausländer.

That means that 40% of the Russians are stupid?

23 + 17 = 40%

Why are you so surprised that many Russians don't care or are in favour of the official government position (autonomy within Ukraine)?

Russian nationalism have been suppressed by the government for almost a whole century.
Treating Donbass as part of Ukraine is almost as old as that.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

auslander wrote:"DONBASS: NEITHER WAR, NOR PEACE, BUT HUMANITARIAN CONVOYS

Russians are divided in their opinions on what position toward Ukraine Russian authorities should take, however favorable attitudes towards Ukraine and desire to help prevail over the willingness of Russians to cut themselves off from the problems that the Donbass inhabitants are facing today. Twenty-three percent of respondents think it is necessary to help residents of DPR and LPR get autonomous status as a part of Ukraine; 22% consider that LPR and DPR should be recognized as sovereign states. Every fifth (21%) supports the idea to incorporate these republics into Russia’s territory. And finally, 17% opt for non-intervention and cutting relations with the LPR and DPR governments.

As you can see there is no clear majority for the separation of Donbass/Novorussia from Ukraine"

Oh goody. A 'survey' that interviewed, by their counting, 1600 Russians and that is a basis for a conclusion? 1600 out of roughly 145 million? Get real.

That is how surveys works, ausländer.

That means that 40% of the Russians are stupid?

23 + 17 = 40%

Why are you so surprised that many Russians don't care or are in favour of the official government position (autonomy within Ukraine)?

Russian nationalism have been suppressed by the government for almost a whole century.
Treating Donbass as part of Ukraine is almost as old as that.

Who said anything about any nationalism?

It looks to me, if that poll is even truthful to begin with (and there are clearly some here who doubt it), that 40% of people in Russia are not even patriotic.

Of course, ethnic Russians are only 80% of Russia's population, so there is that 20% of the others.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

auslander wrote:"DONBASS: NEITHER WAR, NOR PEACE, BUT HUMANITARIAN CONVOYS

Russians are divided in their opinions on what position toward Ukraine Russian authorities should take, however favorable attitudes towards Ukraine and desire to help prevail over the willingness of Russians to cut themselves off from the problems that the Donbass inhabitants are facing today. Twenty-three percent of respondents think it is necessary to help residents of DPR and LPR get autonomous status as a part of Ukraine; 22% consider that LPR and DPR should be recognized as sovereign states. Every fifth (21%) supports the idea to incorporate these republics into Russia’s territory. And finally, 17% opt for non-intervention and cutting relations with the LPR and DPR governments.

As you can see there is no clear majority for the separation of Donbass/Novorussia from Ukraine"

Oh goody. A 'survey' that interviewed, by their counting, 1600 Russians and that is a basis for a conclusion? 1600 out of roughly 145 million? Get real.

That is how surveys works, ausländer.

That means that 40% of the Russians are stupid?

23 + 17 = 40%

Why are you so surprised that many Russians don't care or are in favour of the official government position (autonomy within Ukraine)?

Russian nationalism have been suppressed by the government for almost a whole century.
Treating Donbass as part of Ukraine is almost as old as that.

Who said anything about any nationalism?

It looks to me, if that poll is even truthful to begin with (and there are clearly some here who doubt it), that 40% of people in Russia are not even patriotic.

Of course, ethnic Russians are only 80% of Russia's population, so there is that 20% of the others.

Patriotic?
Majority of the people in Donbass are not even fellow Russian citizens which is the group of people the Russian government is officially willing to protect, not ethnic Russians. Supporting a properly autonomous Donbass in Ukraine can be patriotic too.

It is nationalism if you want more.
Justified nationalism, but still nationalism.

auslander wrote:
Sometimes our boy the good colonel don't know when to keep his mouth shut.

Khepesh wrote:Minsk agreements come from the Normandy format meetings. Putin has said there is no point in these meetings now and the one in China is cancelled. By extension will this mean that "Minsk" will go? Well, it already went.....

auslander wrote:I understand your point and I know you are not posting to defend Rozhin. I am also fully aware of who knew first when Germany was on the march and how. That day and the reason for it will never be forgotten here, it is taught in schools and at Museums including 35th Battery where the last stand was.

The main reason I've been so quiet for the last year is OpSec and I think you know this fact.

Khepesh wrote:

auslander wrote:I understand your point and I know you are not posting to defend Rozhin. I am also fully aware of who knew first when Germany was on the march and how. That day and the reason for it will never be forgotten here, it is taught in schools and at Museums including 35th Battery where the last stand was.

The main reason I've been so quiet for the last year is OpSec and I think you know this fact.

Yes, of course with the opsec, and there is almost nothing from the front in Donbass, but that is as it should be, even if frustating at times. I had in mind the silence that something has happened when we all know something had happened. No need to mention troop movements of course, and the video of the BTRs at Kerch was just an "illustration", but news blackout that there was an incident was not needed I think. It also rather makes the news broadcasters look fools as they now have to report about Putin's reaction to an event that, officially, never happened, clumsy.