The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

JohninMK wrote:

Godric wrote:arrest warrant has been issued by Ukrainian authorities for the arrest of Russian minister Sergey Shoigu

http://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/gpu-soobshhila-o-podozrenii-ministru-oborony-rf-i-eshhe-17-vysokopostavlennym-chinovnika-rf-333542.html

Good luck getting Interpol to accept that one, let alone enforce it. Don't those idiots have any proper work to do?

John they don't realise they are making a laughing stock out of themselves and Ukraine in general ... rank amateurs at best

So legit intelligence reports suggest that the Hillary campaign will encourage a Ukrappy offensive (followed by a promise of military aid) on the Donbass as a October surprise, and regardless of the outcome media will spin it as Russian aggression and use that to bury the Trump campaign.

I've been hearing about this "Ukrainian Black Ledger" what's that all about?

Godric wrote:a HaHol convoy heading towards the border to Crimea ... look at the nick of their hardware ffs ... BTRs on heavy transports and trucks towing trucks ffs

Well, after seeing BTRs (mostly BTR-80s, but some BTR-70s too) in both convoys, two Gvozdika and one Akatsiya self-propelled howitzers, plus one Uragan MLRS in that first convoy, I'm pretty sure that the Ukrainians are up to something

Here is a video (not the most up to date BTW) about the Ukrainian military buildups near Crimea and Donbass

magnumcromagnon wrote:So legit intelligence reports suggest that the Hillary campaign will encourage a Ukrappy offensive (followed by a promise of military aid) on the Donbass as a October surprise, and regardless of the outcome media will spin it as Russian aggression and use that to bury the Trump campaign.

That's almost guaranteed to happen, given that about the only thing Hillary has over Trump is rabid russophobia.

After a few days of relative lull, warnings of impending attack on Yasinovataya

http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/08/ukrainian-army-readies-to-seize-donbass.html

An "enhanced" IED exploded near Zakharchenko's house this morning. There are contradictory reports about exactly what happened and how many terrorists were involved. What is certain is that one terrorist was found with his body parts scattered over a 50 metre radius. Unconfirmed is that a second man escaped and that a "shmel" may have been involved https://vk.com/mydonetsk?w=wall-83101862_26248

Ukrainians trying to start a war by using terrorist tactic? Seems they suck at it.

I bet Ukrops will call this incident as another "Provocation" by Russia

sepheronx wrote:Ukrainians trying to start a war by using terrorist tactic? Seems they suck at it.

No, they excel at it:

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


Terrorism is not only blowing up cars and flying planes into buildings.

The reporting of the two incidents had become mixed up and caused a bit of confusion. The terrorist killed yesterday was blown up by his own normal bomb, the one on Monday was the "enhanced" device that seemed elaborate and apparently had a "shmel" attached to it, according to a witness who saw the device and noticed "shmel" tube. I think that was the fifth or sixth attempt on Zakharchenko, most, apart from furniture store attempt, do not get reported, and there was the booby trap in the car that wounded the daughter of Zakharchenko's secretary, at the time put down to "funny stuff" in Donetsk, but actually an attack by ukrops.

JohninMK wrote:Looks like the excuses for being defeated, if they attack of course, are being practised/rolled out.

Saturday, August 27, 2016 - 13:20

The self-proclaimed Kiev authorities continue aggravating situation not only on the front-line, but on the political stage as well.

The number of tanks in Donbass has increased 20 times in two years, while the number of armored fighting vehicles has spiked more than tenfold, Ukraine’s Deputy Prime Minister on Euro-Atlantic Integration, Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, announced on Friday.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has claimed the arms used by DPR and LPR army are Ukrainian or Soviet arms that were deployed in Ukraine before fighting began.

Citing figures from Ukraine’s military intelligence, however, Klympush-Tsintsadze’s ofifce estimated on Facebook that over the two-year conflict, Donbass forces had received a huge Russian technical reinforcement. Comparing figures for capabilities in the region near the start of hostilities in July 2014 with their estimated strength in August 2016, she accused Russia of “pumping resources into killing Ukrainians who want to live in freedom.”

According to the data from Ukraine’s General Staff, the number of tanks in Donbass has increased from 30 to 600 in just over two years, the number of armored fighting vehicles has increased from 124 to 1260, and the number of artillery and missile systems has increased from 110 to 1060.

http://dninews.com/article/drugged-ukraine-kiev-claims-dpr-and-lpr-heavy-vehicles-increase-tenfold

If those numbers are correct, than Novorussian army have more armor and artillery than Ukrainian army. Considering, that Novorussian army is better trained, have more competent commanders and have higher moral, than i think it is an Ukrainian army, who is more afraid of Novorussian offensive than vice versa.

medo wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like the excuses for being defeated, if they attack of course, are being practised/rolled out.

Saturday, August 27, 2016 - 13:20

The self-proclaimed Kiev authorities continue aggravating situation not only on the front-line, but on the political stage as well.

The number of tanks in Donbass has increased 20 times in two years, while the number of armored fighting vehicles has spiked more than tenfold, Ukraine’s Deputy Prime Minister on Euro-Atlantic Integration, Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, announced on Friday.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has claimed the arms used by DPR and LPR army are Ukrainian or Soviet arms that were deployed in Ukraine before fighting began.

Citing figures from Ukraine’s military intelligence, however, Klympush-Tsintsadze’s ofifce estimated on Facebook that over the two-year conflict, Donbass forces had received a huge Russian technical reinforcement. Comparing figures for capabilities in the region near the start of hostilities in July 2014 with their estimated strength in August 2016, she accused Russia of “pumping resources into killing Ukrainians who want to live in freedom.”

According to the data from Ukraine’s General Staff, the number of tanks in Donbass has increased from 30 to 600 in just over two years, the number of armored fighting vehicles has increased from 124 to 1260, and the number of artillery and missile systems has increased from 110 to 1060.

http://dninews.com/article/drugged-ukraine-kiev-claims-dpr-and-lpr-heavy-vehicles-increase-tenfold

If those numbers are correct, than Novorussian army have more armor and artillery than Ukrainian army. Considering, that Novorussian army is better trained, have more competent commanders and have higher moral, than i think it is an Ukrainian army, who is more afraid of Novorussian offensive than vice versa.

Novorussia doesn't have even close to the same numbers when it comes to comparing the reserve depths. In "ATO" area, regarding active forces the partity is largeley observed on tanks, while there's a gap on APC's. But once Ukraine opens up its mothballed, idle stocks the picture becomes far more gloomy. For instance we still have no idea about the status of their T80's and T72. There should be around 230 T72's remaining from those stocks that weren't sold to 3rd World countries and about 300 T80's in various states of disrepair.

Then there's the bulk of shitty T64's that they have and that has been complicated to track. Normally after the two years Ukraine has lost about 400 of this category (destroyed, captured, broken) We know that about 100 have been cannibalized by Ugrainians. What we don't know is how the fuck is this going to happen, i mean how the Ukes are going to magically repair tanks they don't even have spares for...no, not T72's, but well T64's and T80's. And you can see the level of modernization/overhauling is pretty slow, mainly because for that T80's they're forced to recondition parts from other T80's.

Artillery and mech infantry brigades moved from Orenburg to Rostov oblast training areas to strengthen southern military district. VSN "reserve in depth"

KoTeMoRe wrote:

medo wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Looks like the excuses for being defeated, if they attack of course, are being practised/rolled out.

Saturday, August 27, 2016 - 13:20

The self-proclaimed Kiev authorities continue aggravating situation not only on the front-line, but on the political stage as well.

The number of tanks in Donbass has increased 20 times in two years, while the number of armored fighting vehicles has spiked more than tenfold, Ukraine’s Deputy Prime Minister on Euro-Atlantic Integration, Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, announced on Friday.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has claimed the arms used by DPR and LPR army are Ukrainian or Soviet arms that were deployed in Ukraine before fighting began.

Citing figures from Ukraine’s military intelligence, however, Klympush-Tsintsadze’s ofifce estimated on Facebook that over the two-year conflict, Donbass forces had received a huge Russian technical reinforcement. Comparing figures for capabilities in the region near the start of hostilities in July 2014 with their estimated strength in August 2016, she accused Russia of “pumping resources into killing Ukrainians who want to live in freedom.”

According to the data from Ukraine’s General Staff, the number of tanks in Donbass has increased from 30 to 600 in just over two years, the number of armored fighting vehicles has increased from 124 to 1260, and the number of artillery and missile systems has increased from 110 to 1060.

http://dninews.com/article/drugged-ukraine-kiev-claims-dpr-and-lpr-heavy-vehicles-increase-tenfold

If those numbers are correct, than Novorussian army have more armor and artillery than Ukrainian army. Considering, that Novorussian army is better trained, have more competent commanders and have higher moral, than i think it is an Ukrainian army, who is more afraid of Novorussian offensive than vice versa.

Novorussia doesn't have even close to the same numbers when it comes to comparing the reserve depths. In "ATO" area, regarding active forces the partity is largeley observed on tanks, while there's a gap on APC's. But once Ukraine opens up its mothballed, idle stocks the picture becomes far more gloomy. For instance we still have no idea about the status of their T80's and T72. There should be around 230 T72's remaining from those stocks that weren't sold to 3rd World countries and about 300 T80's in various states of disrepair.

Then there's the bulk of shitty T64's that they have and that has been complicated to track. Normally after the two years Ukraine has lost about 400 of this category (destroyed, captured, broken) We know that about 100 have been cannibalized by Ugrainians.  What we don't know is how the fuck is this going to happen, i mean how the Ukes are going to magically repair tanks they don't even have spares for...no, not T72's, but well T64's and T80's. And you can see the level of modernization/overhauling is pretty slow, mainly because for that T80's they're forced to recondition parts from other T80's.

AFAIK Ukraine sold majority of their T-80 tanks to Pakistan in the nineties and rebuild remaining of T-80 into Oplots for Thailand. I think the rest were mostly canibalized for spares for Pakistan and Thailand. I think similar story went for T-72 tanks, which Ukraine mostly sold in Africa and other regions and remaining T-72 were mostly canibalized ones, which Ukraine is not able to bring into operational condition. Maybe few of them, but the rest will stay, where they are.

DPR amphibious assault training