The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

the report was what i expected to be honest America said earlier in the week that 5 EU countries wanted to end the sanctions against Russia, this was the result America wanted and needed to keep those 5 EU countries on side of the American anti Russian agenda i don't remember America having sanctions imposed on them after they shot down Iran Air 655 in Iranian airspace from Iranian maritime waters

I wonder how this "Int'l" reports dismisses the scenario of the local, deployed, Ukrainian Buks shooting the plane down.
That country officially operates the said system and has shot down civilian airliners before.. "by mistake"

KiloGolf wrote:I wonder how this "Int'l" reports dismisses the scenario of the local, deployed, Ukrainian Buks shooting the plane down.
That country officially operates the said system and has shot down civilian airliners before.. "by mistake"

it is all about agenda nothing more the Netherlands is not a neutral country it is part of Nato ... America wants the sanctions to remain ... the only EU leaders to have stood up against America was Schroeder and Sarkozy over the illegal invasion of Iraq

Regarding the route this BUK is suppossed to have taken "Back to Russia". The roads into Lugansk from the West, that is R66 at Alexandrovsk and the M4 at Zrazkove, were cut by ukrops on July 13 on their advance to Lugansk airport. M4 was their main route going south around the Western side of Lugansk. Those routes were far to dangerous, and most of the time impossible, to transport any BUK in the scenario presented by JIT. The only viable route on July 17/18 would have been to head north to Uspenka via either Ivanovka or Antratsit, and then East to Krasnodon, and the JIT scenario does not have this. Also, even that route will have passed within a few Km of ukrops forces around the airport. The only other route to Russia would have been completely impossible as it would have gone into ukrops occupied areas in the south along the border.

Godric wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:I wonder how this "Int'l" reports dismisses the scenario of the local, deployed, Ukrainian Buks shooting the plane down.
That country officially operates the said system and has shot down civilian airliners before.. "by mistake"

it is all about  agenda nothing more the Netherlands is not a neutral country it is part of Nato ... America wants the sanctions to remain ... the only EU leaders to have stood up against America was Schroeder and Sarkozy over the illegal invasion of Iraq

Chirac not Sarkozy.

PapaDragon wrote:
Well with this MH17 ''investigation'' BS finally over can we go back to discussing war in the Ukraine?

Anyone who expected anything different from this ''report'' is a moron.

Anyone who thinks it will have any effect on anything is even bigger moron.

If anyone runs into Big-D (Dforce) here or in The Other Place could you please pass along the bolded part to him?

Can I pass it through the orifice he listens with best?

KiloGolf wrote:

Godric wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:I wonder how this "Int'l" reports dismisses the scenario of the local, deployed, Ukrainian Buks shooting the plane down.
That country officially operates the said system and has shot down civilian airliners before.. "by mistake"

it is all about  agenda nothing more the Netherlands is not a neutral country it is part of Nato ... America wants the sanctions to remain ... the only EU leaders to have stood up against America was Schroeder and Sarkozy over the illegal invasion of Iraq

Chirac not Sarkozy.

close at least i got their countries right ... French fries = freedom fries ... how childish

Hahahahhaha... 1 billion dollars loan for anti corruption measures... d'ya think those bills are marked...

Interesting, complements of my charming bride VCO (Victor Charlie Oscar, aka Vertically Challenged One. 147 cm of ornery....)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOxniqHwXrUV2S6RZIIycEg

Very interesting. It is a pity that work like this does not get more disseminated, and this is the first time I saw this. As he shows that the video is old, then it now rings bell in my head. It would be normal for a BUK, before 2014, to be travelling along that route into Lugansk, as a short distance from where the M-4 gets to Northern Lugansk and then heads South, is the BUK equiped AD base outside Metallist. And on old material from before 2014, it was the photo of the guy in front of BUK in that base that was used as "evidence" that militia had a BUK, yet the photo was from about 2012. Avakov himself said that one BUK was left in the base when it was evacuated, but was destroyed to prevent falling into militia hands.

The mistake of Opolchensya was to openly post and brag that they had captured a Buk. They got the launch vehicle with 4 missiles but the debate has always been was the unit an inert parade vehicle. OTOH it was the only vehicle they captured from, if memory serves, a captured base, they did not get the other 4 support and targeting vehicles. I know the launch vehicle has rudimentary targeting and guidance capabilities but not sufficient to reach the height of the targeted airframe.

Yeah, that's right, they bragged about nothing, but then it was not possible to know the future and about MH17. Same nonsense as with comments on VK "Strelkov" page being said to be from the man himself, or the many posts on VK when we heard an aircraft had come down and presumed it was ukrops Antonov or Il-76, and some then claim responsibily without knowledge or any authority to do so. Very basic things, but never get discussed in any official way.

And further on the JIT report on the BUK movement. They cannot show any video or still photo of it anywhere but west of Lugansk, which of course would be expected if the material was old and the BUK's start point or destination was Metallist, all their material stops at Alexandrovsk, which is to be expected as the AD base is only a few km off the main road at that point.

We know this here, yet "experts" seem to know nothing....

On MP.net MSD, have I remembered the nik correct? exposed all this within a few days of the incident, and about the ukrops BUK unit movements from Kharkov to Illovaisk, getting there on July 16, and bragged about by one of the unit members on VK, before the page was deleted. What he posted was important and should be evidence, yet.....

The orcs had six Buk launch systems in the general area and I remember the discussions as to why, were they expecting a Russian air campaign?

I have never seen any creditable photos of any Buk coming across the border with Mother. Lots out there but none of identifiable time, date or location that has not been disproved since the shoot down.

It's all bullshit, the orcs shot the bird down and the Dutch fops are publishing what they are ordered to publish.

Ceasefire violations gone non-stop?

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Ukrainian shelling disrupts ceasefire, "disappoints" OSCE

Over the past 24 hours, the situation on the Donbass republics’ frontline has dramatically deteriorated.

204 shots were fired by the Ukrainian punishers from tanks, mortars, infantry fighting vehicles, grenade launchers, and small arms.  Yasinovataya, Spartak, Krutaya Balka, the villages of Signalnoe and Sakhanka, the Petrovsky district of Donetsk, and the residential areas of Aleksandrovka, Zaytsevo, Shirokaya Balka, Krasny Partizan, as well as the city of Dokuchaevsk came under enemy fire. So far, no victims have been recorded.

On September 28th, the situation deteriorated sharply in the industrial zone. Firefights lasted almost the whole day. Around 3:00, the UAF opened fire from its positions in Avdeevka using 82-mm mortars. Closer to the evening, mortar fire was joined by a tank, an infantry-fighting vehicle, and grenade launchers. Until nearly midnight, the Western outskirts of Donetsk and the residential areas of Aleksandrovka and Trudovskie were under fire.

Meanwhile, Alexander Hug, the first deputy head of the OSCE monitoring mission, yesterday visited the village of Petrovskoe where from October 1st to 3rd a withdrawal of troops and weapons from the frontline was supposed to be carried out. The inspector was not satisfied with what he saw. One of the main complaints was that security was not provided for the mission observers and the outskirts of the village had not been cleared of mines.

The DPR’s command has stated that de-mining will begin after it has been announced that all forces and equipment have been withdrawn, which is supposed to happen by October 4th. In other words, agreements must be fulfilled and troops withdrawn and then the territory will be de-mined, not like the West, represented by Alexander Hug, wants by first de-mining and then - only then - will the Ukrainian side make up its mind about withdrawing its troops. Ukraine’s negotiator at the contact group in Minsk, Evgeny Marchuk, wrote on his social network page: “The distrust between parties is tremendous.”


Nevertheless, preparation for the withdrawal of forces is ongoing in Petrovsky. Yesterday, representatives of the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire organized radio contact in the village. During the removal of troops, the two sides will use radio to communicate insofar as the cellular network on the frontline is down. In addition, the Russian side of the Joint Center has performed a full inspection of the sector for withdrawal and de-mining.

Source: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/ukrainian-shelling-disrupts-ceasefire.html

Bezler about the JIT report. The intercepted phone calls about a downed aircraft were not from July 17, but from July 16 and were about the UAF Su-25 shot down by Enakievo, in Bezler's area of responsibility, and in the full conversation they talk about the pilot ejecting, which is what the Su-25 pilot did, but this element gets overlooked. The conversation that JIT said was about a BUK, was in fact about the Strela-10 that had been captured at Gorlovka earlier. I will add that not one of the militia commanders has been asked to give a statement, and that is because for Washington and it's ass lickers it is not required, well well. Also today the Dutch have been complaining that their soiled asswipe of a report is being laughed at. Let these morons put themselves on trial in Den Haag for aiding in the cover up of a crime committed by Kiev.

ukrops now refused to withdraw from Stanitsa Luganskaya as well as Marinka. That they have withdrawn from Zolotoe is not surprising as they cannot be accused of total failure to withdraw, and Zolotoe, while important as regards security of Pervomaisk, is less important to ukrops as Marinka and Stanitsa Luganskaya. Earlier this year a unilateral withdrawl of VSN was attempted in Petrovsky, but failed due to ukrops simply taking advantage, and forces, including tank company, had to be rushed back.