PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

Reminds me of this

UK had the same idea for the Malvinas war and didn't go well...

Details: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/08/22/surprise-the-chinese-navy-just-transformed-this-cargo-ship-into-an-istant-helicopter-carrier/#3ae9222c1d44

A cargo ship with a flat top so large helicopters can land is not really the same as a proper helicopter landing ship with 5 times more helicopters and two naval infantry brigades and their armour and four landing ships on board...

https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/china-flexes-at-us-in-four-seas-show-of-force/?mc_cid=4fcea32b9e&mc_eid=5455568640

Whispers of 076, China’s Drone Carrying Assault Carrier

This type will combine the best features of both LHD & LHA, + will have some from the CV.

New US report on PRC mil. power: 
https://www.ng.ru/news/688766.html?print=Y

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2020/09/01/china-has-the-worlds-largest-navy-and-its-getting-better-pentagon-warns/#60bacf647933

Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there.

Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there..

Troll.

The only Sovs with smoke problems suffer from attention via Photoshop and western trolls like you...

GarryB wrote:

Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there..

Troll.

The only Sovs with smoke problems suffer from attention via Photoshop and western trolls like you...

Troll on your self. I have no western agenda. If anything a very east intrest. If anyone should be called a troll its you..a Russian one.

The question was raised earlier if the engines had been updated during the modification of the ships in the class, thats why I posted the picture.

Edit:
By you even it seems....

"A good idea to keep the guns... they will be very useful supporting landings and with new technology in guided shells they could become rather versatile weapons... if they choose to buy of develop something similar themselves.

Have heard they had issues with the propulsion... hope that is sorted out too."

Anyone has a picture of the hangar ? Does that class has one ?

Btw there is a video of one going under a bridge in the baltic sea, it repainted the bridge in black with its smoke so yeah that ship smkes a lot.

Troll on your self. I have no western agenda. If anything a very east intrest. If anyone should be called a troll its you..a Russian one. Suspect

The question was raised earlier if the engines had been updated during the modification of the ships in the class, thats why I posted the picture.

Edit:
By you even it seems....

"A good idea to keep the guns... they will be very useful supporting landings and with new technology in guided shells they could become rather versatile weapons... if they choose to buy of develop something similar themselves.

Have heard they had issues with the propulsion... hope that is sorted out too."

Btw there is a video of one going under a bridge in the baltic sea, it repainted the bridge in black with its smoke so yeah that ship smkes a lot.

Smoke coming out of the smoke stack is not an engine problem, and all ship engines smoke from time to time.

There were problems with the Sovs engines in terms of reliability and maintenance issues as well, but nothing ever to do with whether it smoked to some western standard that western ships are never held to.

They are called smoke stacks for a reason, their purpose is to move the smoke emitted from the engines of the ship away from the deck... even if they didn't smoke at all the heat would stand out like a smoke screen on a thermal imaging system to much greater distances than any smoke because smoke is generally cold and very hot plumes of gas don't naturally occur at sea... a good indicator that there is a ship there.

And I will politely tell you not to call me a troll again.

You are right, what you did was not trolling... it was flame baiting.

Anyone has a picture of the hangar ? Does that class has one ?

Yes, it does.

A Chinese model:



and a Soviet one with the door open:



The hangars are small but with the rotors folded the Helix is tiny.

But can the helicopter fit inside and close the doors ? I have some doubts about it, it's really small compare to standard hangar on russian ships.

How many photos have you seen them sailing around with a helicopter sitting on the pad?

Why waste space with a half hangar where you can poke the nose of the helicopter into it but not enough to shut the doors...?

That would be odd I would think.

Helix helicopters are very compact and with their main rotors folded are very small, though they are quite tall.

Notice the hangar in the bottom photo above... not enormously deep, though quite tall.

I seem to remember on one ship type the hangar could be extended to fit the helicopter, so the hangars are generally designed to be very compact anyway.

It´s this ship class. The hangar of the Sov´s can be extended. You can see the rails in the deck on this pic.

Hole wrote:It´s this ship class. The hangar of the Sov´s can be extended. You can see the rails in the deck on this pic.

I've already seen somewhere written they had a telescopic hangar but never saw pictures of it.

Gepard class has also a weired semi-hangar.

And Kirovs have under deck hangars.

IMO new ships like Gorshkov-M will start getting two more mini-hangars on the sides of the main hangar for drones, unless they put two hangars like on Udaloys.

The mini hangars on new ships may be used for multirole Ka-226T helicopters they are thinking of using... they have modular rear pods like thunderbird 2 I think... but obviously TB2 was not a helicopter.

Searched around for numbers of launched surface vessels last year and the numbers are really crazy.

2019:
1 Type 075 LHD
1 Type 071 LPD
2 Type 055 destroyers
8 Type 052D destroyers
17 Type 56A corvetts

Thats 29 vessels with a total dicplacement of 166.000+ ton.

PLA seems also to have stopped or finished some types last year, making it possible to file a gess how large the total fleet will be around 2025.

Type 54 frigate seems to have ended production in 2018 with 32 ships.
Type 052D destroyers seems also to have stopped production after one vessel launched in 2020, with a total of 25 ships.
The larger type 55 seems to be going strong with 8 ships launched so far. Total number by 2025 probably will be around 10-12 finished ships.

2025 numbers only counting modern vessels launched after 2005 (give or take)

3 Carriers
4 LHD
8 LPD
40 DDG
32 FFG
50 Corvettes

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/images-confirm-china-is-operating-j-15-fighter-aircraft-from-third-batch

Later they may develop an even bigger version with better performance, &/ their own Su-34-like variant.

https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-10-09/1_1112_fleet.html?print=Y

PLANs latest Type 52D destroyer. The 122 Tangshan belongs to the upgraded type 52DL class with increased lengh to 161 meters making it second only to the Type 55.