PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

Vladimir79 wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Its fun to read how people always downplay the PLA. What is intresting is how their capibilities are growing and what direction and goals they have. China has gone from a green-water navy to a basicly blue water-navy in less then 20 years. That is a fantastic achievement.
Could they today fight against the enitre US Navy and USAF, no.
Could they fight them on equal terms in 10-15 years, most likley.

China has this planned out and is steaming ahead with full speed.

All is not going according to plan for the PLAN.  The J-15 is being scrapped after 4 losses as being unsafe and unreliable with a faulty flight control system.  The Type 0001A was put in dry dock after only a few days at sea suffering from a serious design flaw yet to be released.  The project manager is behind bars on charges of corruption.  The carrier aviation programme is turning out to be a complete disaster.

Vladimir79 wrote:

walle83 wrote:

I doubt the J-15 is being scrapped, although all new projects will suffer from child diseases. U should remember that China has gone from 0 experience with carriers to full size flat tops in less then 10 years. Also the J-15 is not the preferd aircraft for the PLA, newer aircrafts, maybe based on the lighter J-31, will replace it sooner or later.
As for the 001A carrier we shall see. Remember even the USS Ford had large problems and HMS Queen Elizabeth was leaking after its first sea trails.

Actually China started their carrier programme in the 1980s with the purchase of HMAS Melbourne so this has been over 30 years in the making.  The J-15 suffered two crashes in testing and two crashes in operations killing four pilots.  Out of a couple dozen airframes four losses is quite heavy so they have chosen to stop production.  It will take many years to navalise the J-31 which still doesn't have a Chinese engine option.  It is not known exactly what is wrong with the new carrier but a maiden voyage for a carrier is supposed to last 6 weeks and the Type 001A ended up in dry dock within days.  The project manager was suddenly thrown in prison on charges of graft as this happened.  Even if the carrier can be fixed in short time they still don't have a reliable aircraft to fly from it.  They could turn it into an ASW carrier like the Japanese full of helicopters as least until a better fighter is produced.

Vladimir79 wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:They did a lot of exercises at home & with Russia. Their navy did combined anti-piracy ops. in the Indian Ocean & SE Asia. Their "volunteers" recently fought in Myanmar. They shot down a BM & 2 satellites, tested nukes, sent men into orbit, probes to the Moon, have 4 SSBNs, & lifted 70% of its population out of poverty in the last~40 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chinese_anti-ballistic_missile_test
https://www.popsci.com/china-space-missile-test

The USSR threatened PRC, I remember the FM A. Gromyko saying on TV: "withdraw from Vietnam, before it's too late". That war would have lasted longer & that country could become a Chinese province if not for that. Sometimes the Chinese tiger is weak, sick, & hungry; but it always heals itself back to power. So, it may appear as a paper tiger but in reality it's not- as Sun Tzu wrote: "when weak, appear to be strong; when  strong, appear to be weak".

Their SSBNs never left port, one of them sank in the harbour.  That moon probe broke down within minutes of landing.  The video of the space walk had bubbles in it like they were in a pool, they released the transcript of a space walk before they even launched the mission.  They shot things down they had months to prepare for.   Calling ethnic Chinese from Myanmar as combat experience for the Chinese military, now that is funny.  Anti-piracy patrols is an action for a Coast Guard, not a Navy.  When Chinese conduct exercises in Russia their tanks break down because the steel used in their torsion bars is not strong enough.

Vladimir79 wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Ok, now u r starting to sound like a troll.

China started its SSBN patrols in 2015. https://thediplomat.com/2015/12/china-deploys-first-nuclear-deterrence-patrol/
I never heard about any 094 sub sinking in any harbor, source please?
Fake space walk and bubbles?? Give us a break

You might want to be careful who you are calling a troll.  Consider that fair warning.  Now if you want to have a serious discussion you can refer back the Xia class which sank during testing.  China has had SSBNs far longer than 2015 but they never patrolled because they were afraid they would be lost at sea like the first one.  


https://books.google.com/books?id=V9nsypAwGGYC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=Type+092+sunk+jane%27s&source=bl&ots=94JsPZ9AQ0&sig=roORnALWa36Ioej-JW13AFwyq0c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8otjf9rTcAhXnx1kKHTyMC3wQ6AEIRjAG#v=onepage&q=Type%20092%20sunk%20jane's&f=false

Fake space walk

Vladimir79 wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Im shaking.
Xia class? Im talking about recent history not 35 years ago. You cant honestly compare chinas navy from 1985 to today?
Today PLAs ssbns are patroling. How often and how far can be debated. They aint sinking in any harbor thats for sure.
Yeah im seing a youtube clip where someone is desperately trying to find something wrong. All I see is space debris and camera lights.

That is good.  You will remember to maintain civil discourse on my forum.  

I think I can compare their navy from then to now when the rest of the world has not been sitting still.  The disparity in technology only grows as the years progress.  China had access to all of the best equipment from Europe until Tienanmen.   The sonars and surface engines they are using now are of that vintage as they still make the same ones under license from France who still maintains nearly $200 million a year in arms exports using pre-Tienanmen licenses.  Space debris fly in a single trajectory, those were moving around like bubbles.  You would see camera lights in a studio and clouds that move at 10X speed for a production, which is what it was.