Russia - Indonesia arms contracts

Indonesia’s Defense Minister says he’ll sign contract for 10 Su-35s next month

http://alert5.com/2016/02/10/indonesias-defense-minister-says-hell-sign-contract-for-10-su-35s-next-month/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Indonesia wants to buy from Russia six Su-35

Ivan Safronov writes in the article "Without the loan does not take off," published in the newspaper "Kommmersant" on March 5, 2016, the day before the Minister of Defence of Indonesia Ryamizard Ryachudu announced the signing of a contract with Russia for ten Su-35 in April.
Jakarta hopes to get them to replace the American F-5E / F Tiger, whose flight was practically exhausted. However, according to the information of "b" , a number of factors prevent the transaction, the main ones are the financial difficulties of the customer, who intends to turn to Moscow to secure a loan of up to 850 million $.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1774701.html

10 SU-35 as 1st batch for Indonesia, plan to concluded the contract in April.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/155...l#.VtuQIor-LMJ

Indonesia to Receive First Russian Su-35 in 2018

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160309/1035990763/indonesia-russia-su-35-jets.html#ixzz42RIFINWN

Nice. Back to Sukarno era!

Nice

Indonesia to Buy 8 Russian Su-35 Fighter Jets, Talks Near Completion

Moscow, Jakarta in Talks Over BMP-3F Amphibious Vehicles for Indonesian Navy

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611031047025169-russia-indonesia-bmp-3f/

Russia's top aviation company to repair Mi-35P helicopters for Indonesian Air Force

More:
http://tass.com/defense/916831

Contract for delivery of Russia’s Su-35 fighter jets to Indonesia to be signed soon

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2438892.html

Note bmpd. Earlier there were reports about the intention of Indonesia to acquire 8 to 10 Su-35 fighter jets worth up to 850 million $. And the negotiations on this subject have been going for several years. In the case of a contract on the Su-35 Indonesia could become the second export customer for the aircraft after China.

Russia and Indonesia are in discussions over a contract on the delivery of two stealth submarines to Jakarata, the deputy director of Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) told Sputnik.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703211051796709-subs-russia-indonesia-deliveries/


Russia and Indonesia launched negotiations over a draft contract on the delivery of Russian Su-35 Flanker multirole fighters to Jakarta, the deputy director of Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) told Sputnik.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703211051798926-russia-indonesia-su35/

I've been watching my Nation's procurement.....

The Competition to replace our aging F-5 tiger fleet has been a very close one....

Pilots of our current Sukhoi squadrons preferred the purchase of Su-35s as they love their Sukhoi 27/30s....

But others who are assigned to other air squadrons were really impressed and sided with the Gripen NG....

Massive debates (Sometimes Civil/Sometimes Un-Civil) on indonesian forums between the Su-35 and Gripen NG....

A Very Very Close fight.....

Tho no official annoucement of the winner has been made yet by the indonesian Govt, Seems like we opted to purchase the Su-35 tho still... I'd wait till there is official confirmation from my govt....

I was there during the IndoDefense Expo 2016 where Rosoboronexport (Sukhoi) battled SaaB for the last time to convince my govt and military officials XD (Also snatched various interesting brochures of Planes and Subs from Rosoboro)

Various factors came into account of the decision... Since we are a Nation of various islands and a shit ton of Sea, we wanted something Fast and with a long Combat Range....
Third world nation means we don't want it cost like the American F-35 program....

We had 5 Enteries.... The F-16V, Rafale, Typhoon, Su-35 and the Gripen NG....

Rafale and Typhoon? knocked out of the fight early and not even talked about in our media or forums XD
F-16 got some attention but was forgotten easily as well for some reason.... these fighters aren't bad tbh...

The Sukhoi which was designed to be a Long Range Heavy CAP fighter fitted the role perfectly....
It has a hefty Payload CAP, Access to the latest of Russian Export weaponry available, High fuel capacity for long range and Saturn Engines (Not the most efficient out there but spews out a shit ton of power)...
We also had experience flying older Sukhoi models as well....

But the Swedes, famous for their IKEA methods, fought back hard.... And they offered things Rosboron didn't in their initial proposal....
They offered better Tech sharing Incentives and technology transfer programs (the IKEA way) which was very very attractive for us.....
And the Gripen NGs are equally powerful aircraft.....
Powerful New Avionics as advertised, Versatility and more Economically efficient to operate than the Sukhois in some areas (Fuel consumption and such)
*Sometimes i wish the russians were better at advertising their systems kek

Now we have today in 2017...



Me personally I'd opt for the Su-35 but feel free to reply if you'd think it will be better for my country to purchase the gripens or the Sukhois in terms of practicality, Weapon systems effectiveness and such .....

The Gripen is a very nice aircraft... very capable and also attractive looking... but I have two main problems with it for Indonesia... first it is a single engine type... flame outs happen but when you have two engines it is not so much of an emergency.

The second issue however is more fundamental... the weapons and engines of the Gripen are not Swedish. At any time the US can block the use of that aircraft for whatever reason.

No such problems with the Flanker... the Russians own the design and the weapons and have no history of sanctions except as a response to sanctions.

I am sure Indonesia will be well protected/defended with either aircraft... but an Su-35 with three Brahmos-M missiles looks rather formidable to me...

The potential for 200km+ range RVV-BD AAMs is also interesting...

Just as I expected...

Issues over ToT concerns....

http://www.janes.com/article/70112/indonesia-s-su-35-programme-faces-offset-hurdle


I wonder if Saab is still trying to push for the gripens to be sold?


I'd still like the Sukhoi to be purchased so hopefully it gets through.....


Also i never knew Su-35s could carry Brahmos AShMs....
Got a source for that?

Well when I say Brahmos, I mean Onyx/Yakhont, but if India approve I don't see why they could not have brahmos... you would have to pay for the integration of course...

There are several plans for various export versions of Club to be compatible with the Su-35... including the subsonic land attack club, subsonic anti ship club and the subsonic and then rocket powered high supersonic anti ship model club.

Russia to barter trade of Rubber for Sukhois...


Is Russia seriously offering it? XD

Are we gonna buy Sukhoi Su 35 with rubber?!

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/16/russia-wants-to-barter-sukhoi-for-indonesian-rubber.html

Rowdyhorse4 wrote:Russia to barter trade of Rubber for Sukhois...


Is Russia seriously offering it? XD

Are we gonna buy Sukhoi Su 35 with rubber?!

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/16/russia-wants-to-barter-sukhoi-for-indonesian-rubber.html

Maybe for a shit ton of rubber. But then again, I don't see anything on Russian news about this so probably not.

Offset packages for military purchases are very common and so local products often get bought as part of a purchase deal like this.

Instead of 50 million in cash they get 50 million in rubber which they use domestically or sell on to allies.

Rowdyhorse4 wrote:Russia to barter trade of Rubber for Sukhois...


Is Russia seriously offering it? XD

Are we gonna buy Sukhoi Su 35 with rubber?!

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/05/16/russia-wants-to-barter-sukhoi-for-indonesian-rubber.html

Such deals are not uncommon. So its more than plausible.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/06/indonesia-russia-have-finalized-contract-for-delivery-of-su-35-fighter-jets/

Supposedly we have already finalized the Contract for the Su-35s....  

11 Su-35s

https://en.tempo.co/read/news/2017/07/27/055894767/Indonesia-Plans-to-Buy-Sukhoi-SU-35

Also looking for drones now....

Υes.

As reported on his page in the social network "Twitter", a well-known foreign expert on combat aviation Babak Taghavaee, between Indonesia and Russia signed a memorandum on the sale of Indonesia to the party of fighters Su-35 in exchange for Indonesian goods. It is reported that Indonesia bought 10 fighters.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2769776.html

Indonesia-Russia cooperation is beginning to resemble Sukarno years!

Indonesian marines plan to buy Russian BT-3F instead of Ukrainian BTR-4

According to the magazine "Jane's Navy International" in the article Ridzwan Rahmat "Indonesia shortlists BT-3F amphibious tracked vehicle from Russia for marines corps", the command of the Marine Corps of Indonesia (Korps Marinir - KORMAR) officially refused further purchases of Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4 In favor of the acquisition of new Russian caterpillar armored vehicles BT-3F, produced on the basis of BMP-3. Indonesia in this way, apparently, will be the starting customer of BT-3F.

A source in the Indonesian Navy August 14, 2017 informed Jane's that in order to discuss the possible purchase of BT-3F, KORMAR commander Major-General Bambang Sushvantono and a delegation of senior Indonesian Marine Corps officers will arrive in Russia in the week beginning August 21 to take part in the demonstration They are BT-3F near Moscow.

Major-General Bambang will also take part in the military-technical forum "Army-2017" and visit the enterprise of the concern "Tractor Plants", which developed the BT-3F [the developer of BT-3F is the Kurgan JSC "Special Design Bureau of Machine Building", seriy Production is supposed to be conducted at JSC "Kurgan Machine Building Plant" - bmpd].

The Commission of the House of Representatives of the Indonesian Parliament for Defense, Intelligence and Foreign Affairs (Komisi I) previously approved an amount of $ 95 million in the defense budget of the country in 2017 to replace obsolete armored personnel carriers BTR-50PK in KORMAR on BTR-4. This was done in addition to the first batch of five BTR-4s ordered by the Indonesian Ministry of Defense from the Ukrainian defense holding group "Ukroboronprom" in February 2014. These five vehicles were delivered to Indonesia in September 2016.

Since October of the same year, the cavalry regiment of the 2nd Marine Group KORMAR conducted tests of these BTR-4s, including at its base in Chalandak (South Jakarta). Among the problems that were identified during these tests were complaints of personnel about the fact that BTR-4 is heavily buried in the water while it is moving at full speed afloat, KORMAR officers told JANE at the end of 2016.

Based on the results of the BTR-4 tests, KORMAR decided to abandon the further purchase of these machines and choose a different type to replace the BTR-50PK. The evaluation of alternative options was conducted from the beginning of 2017. Initially, the Russian wheeled BTR-80, the Turkish caterpillar BMP АCV-19 and the new South Korean caterpillar BMP K21 NIFV were considered as options, but now KORMAR preferences focused on the specially developed for the marine infantry BT-3F. It is reported that BT-3F has been offered by the Russian side of Indonesia since 2010 as an addition to the purchased KORMAR BMP-3F.

As previously reported, KORMAR has previously submitted to the Indonesian Ministry of Defense an official document proposing, in accordance with the Indonesian parliamentary procedures for the reallocation of defense spending, to transfer the funds initially allocated for the purchase of BTR-4, for use in acquiring other types of armored personnel carriers.

Within the allotted appropriation ($ 95 million) KORMAR plans to order 50 new armored personnel carriers to replace the BTR-50PK. The general plans for the procurement of new types of armored personnel carriers for Indonesian marines for the future stretch to 160 units for 10 years.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2787082.html

George1 wrote:Indonesian marines plan to buy Russian BT-3F instead of Ukrainian BTR-4

According to the magazine "Jane's Navy International" in the article Ridzwan Rahmat "Indonesia shortlists BT-3F amphibious tracked vehicle from Russia for marines corps", the command of the Marine Corps of Indonesia (Korps Marinir - KORMAR) officially refused further purchases of Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4 In favor of the acquisition of new Russian caterpillar armored vehicles BT-3F, produced on the basis of BMP-3. Indonesia in this way, apparently, will be the starting customer of BT-3F.

A source in the Indonesian Navy August 14, 2017 informed Jane's that in order to discuss the possible purchase of BT-3F, KORMAR commander Major-General Bambang Sushvantono and a delegation of senior Indonesian Marine Corps officers will arrive in Russia in the week beginning August 21 to take part in the demonstration They are BT-3F near Moscow.

Major-General Bambang will also take part in the military-technical forum "Army-2017" and visit the enterprise of the concern "Tractor Plants", which developed the BT-3F [the developer of BT-3F is the Kurgan JSC "Special Design Bureau of Machine Building", seriy Production is supposed to be conducted at JSC "Kurgan Machine Building Plant" - bmpd].

The Commission of the House of Representatives of the Indonesian Parliament for Defense, Intelligence and Foreign Affairs (Komisi I) previously approved an amount of $ 95 million in the defense budget of the country in 2017 to replace obsolete armored personnel carriers BTR-50PK in KORMAR on BTR-4. This was done in addition to the first batch of five BTR-4s ordered by the Indonesian Ministry of Defense from the Ukrainian defense holding group "Ukroboronprom" in February 2014. These five vehicles were delivered to Indonesia in September 2016.

 Since October of the same year, the cavalry regiment of the 2nd Marine Group KORMAR conducted tests of these BTR-4s, including at its base in Chalandak (South Jakarta). Among the problems that were identified during these tests were complaints of personnel about the fact that BTR-4 is heavily buried in the water while it is moving at full speed afloat, KORMAR officers told JANE at the end of 2016.

 Based on the results of the BTR-4 tests, KORMAR decided to abandon the further purchase of these machines and choose a different type to replace the BTR-50PK. The evaluation of alternative options was conducted from the beginning of 2017. Initially, the Russian wheeled BTR-80, the Turkish caterpillar BMP АCV-19 and the new South Korean caterpillar BMP K21 NIFV were considered as options, but now KORMAR preferences focused on the specially developed for the marine infantry BT-3F. It is reported that BT-3F has been offered by the Russian side of Indonesia since 2010 as an addition to the purchased KORMAR BMP-3F.

 As previously reported, KORMAR has previously submitted to the Indonesian Ministry of Defense an official document proposing, in accordance with the Indonesian parliamentary procedures for the reallocation of defense spending, to transfer the funds initially allocated for the purchase of BTR-4, for use in acquiring other types of armored personnel carriers.

 Within the allotted appropriation ($ 95 million) KORMAR plans to order 50 new armored personnel carriers to replace the BTR-50PK. The general plans for the procurement of new types of armored personnel carriers for Indonesian marines for the future stretch to 160 units for 10 years.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2787082.html

I mean hey...   Why not....

we choose what vehicles are the most economically viable yet effective in the modern day era....  

America can compete for us if they wish but i don't see a cheap tracked LAV from them so far....  

Everything in competition here yo.....    

Kilo subs might be nice here tho....



Edit: Yeah the BTR-4s were not so great under our troop trials....

Armor cracking certainly doesn't help