Russian made Scopes and Optics

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

not really i redead somewere our specops also use BORS i think it was SBP and COBR

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes


http://inwetech.ru/en

AlfaT8 wrote:

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes

no


its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

NationalRus wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes

no


its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

The question wasn't whether MoD was using it or not, it was if Russia had "something" like it and the answer is Yes.

As for development, as far as i can see it's done and ready to go, especially since they followed up with the LF640 PRO and are now working on the LF640 PRO-2, if anything the MK2 is last years model.

NationalRus wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes

no


its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes

no


its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.

by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

NationalRus wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes

no


its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.

by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

I agree that they're not on the same level, although they're supposed to "do" the same thing.

NationalRus wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

NationalRus wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

par far wrote:

Militarov wrote:

https://youtu.be/yfSg_lSGxvk?t=2m11s

Seems like we again spotted AWM in Syria 2:11 sec, this time even more curious it looks its equiped with BORS Barrett integrated ballistics computer.



https://barrett.net/optics/bors

Does Russia have something like that?

Yes

no


its still in development and no official use by MOD yet also, and its also a completly OTHER scope then BORS, you are comparing apples to oranges here

Actually those aren't apples and oranges. They're two products that do the same thing, the problem with the BORS is that the whole input you'd do with a ballistic calculator is unchanged and you do have to actually punch numbers preprogrammed. While with the IWT, you do not, because the GPS and telemeter are actually automated and integrated. Basically is the TrackingPoint Accufire/Xact scope with auto tracker and Thermal Vision. The BORS is a day sight and it needs a very complex mental suite to be useful, you have to actually do point match prior to enter the target size value, for which you first need to point match distance and then let the weather station (very crude) determine part of the hold (that you will need then to actually screw on the optic). But before you do that...you need to zero the ammo and scope. Nothing strange with it, until you need to re-zero between shots, because the tilt sensor bust a nut. And even BORS 2.0 can't compensate the windage.

So basically the BORS is an intermediate system from Manual calculation to Fully automated targeting.

by compering apples to oranges i mean you compare 8 year old not weapon but "technology" with a product that is only about to go in to production, overall of course BORS is worse in everything compared to this new candy sugar apple pie

Ooh, that's what you meant, then yes they are indeed apples and oranges, although the answer is still Yes to "par far".

The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

"ability to detect active IR sources"

Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

x_54_u43 wrote:

GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

"ability to detect active IR sources"

Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

Fo Rear, you not know about it?

IR-detection cell has been dropped since USSR broke. You can id a PSO-1/1M by checking for a switch on the left side of the sight. That used IR low light system to detect IR sources.

You'd turn the switch on and the scope becomes greenish and the IR source at over 400m would stick out as a white circle.

BTW ALLAH pointed me to this source for Soviet Scope ID.

http://cccpcamera.photo-web.cc/RussianCamera/Kaisetsu/FACTORY/FACTORY.html

symbols of different Zavods.

BTW 2: PSO-1 full article.

http://www.dragunov.net/optic_pso1.html

KoTeMoRe wrote:

x_54_u43 wrote:

GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

"ability to detect active IR sources"

Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

Fo Rear, you not know about it?

IR-detection cell has been dropped since USSR broke. You can id a PSO-1/1M by checking for a switch on the left side of the sight. That used IR low light system to detect IR sources.

You'd turn the switch on and the scope becomes greenish and the IR source at over 400m would stick out as a white circle.

BTW ALLAH pointed me to this source for Soviet Scope ID.

http://cccpcamera.photo-web.cc/RussianCamera/Kaisetsu/FACTORY/FACTORY.html

symbols of different Zavods.

BTW 2: PSO-1 full article.

http://www.dragunov.net/optic_pso1.html

Much appreciated Kotemore, although I am curious to where you got those sources, I do not believe you when you say that you received the site from the Islamic deity.

x_54_u43 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

x_54_u43 wrote:

GarryB wrote:The question was does Russia have something like BORs, the answer is yes they did, and now they have something rather better.

In fact the aiming stadia on their PSO-1 scopes and its ability to detect active IR sources was a huge leap forward in scope design that the west rarely acknowledges.

"ability to detect active IR sources"

Could you please elaborate? I would like to feature that in my threads.

Fo Rear, you not know about it?

IR-detection cell has been dropped since USSR broke. You can id a PSO-1/1M by checking for a switch on the left side of the sight. That used IR low light system to detect IR sources.

You'd turn the switch on and the scope becomes greenish and the IR source at over 400m would stick out as a white circle.

BTW ALLAH pointed me to this source for Soviet Scope ID.

http://cccpcamera.photo-web.cc/RussianCamera/Kaisetsu/FACTORY/FACTORY.html

symbols of different Zavods.

BTW 2: PSO-1 full article.

http://www.dragunov.net/optic_pso1.html

Much appreciated Kotemore, although I am curious to where you got those sources, I do not believe you when you say that you received the site from the Islamic deity.

Wallahi billahi you miscreants never believe anything:lol: . Small arms has been a guilty pleasure since about 10 years ago. So I know a bit about them. I know about these sites pretty much since they were created under various guises Dragnet, Tantal, Repro.be etc.

"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."

Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

Militarov wrote:"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."

Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."

Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

By 2020. Russians will end up with 10ish Western types of sights and 20ish own and Belarussian in service on various scales. Fkn mess.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:"The development of fifth-generation night-vision devices will cost 500 million rubles ($7.5 million), Katod Enterprise Director for Special Projects Alexei Yenin told TASS on Tuesday. Night-vision devices should be developed within the next five years, he added. "The problem we face today relates to an electron-sensitive matrix, i.e. a component Russia has not produced yet but is currently developing. As soon as this problem is resolved, such a device will be developed," Yenin said. According to him, new-generation night-vision devices can be launched into production within two-three years, if the electron-sensitive matrix is developed.

Preliminary estimates show that the project will cost 500 million rubles, the executive said. "I think that we will have to resolve this problem within the next five years in any case; otherwise we will lag behind our rivals considerably," Yenin said. As it was reported earlier, the Katod Enterprise is planning to start producing fourth-generation electro-optical image converters and night-vision devices on their basis within the next two years.

Fifth-generation devices have an absolutely different design and it is far more difficult to organize their production. As of today, third-generation night-vision devices are the most advanced and efficient systems. Only three companies in the world have managed to organize their serial production, with two of them in the United States and one, i.e. the Katod Enterprise, in Russia.

Last year, the Katod Enterprise increased the output of electro-optical image converters by 50%, Yenin said, without specifying the exact figures."

Source: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_to_spend_$75_million_on_developing_fifth-generation_night-vision_devices_tass_31304162.html

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

By 2020. Russians will end up with 10ish Western types of sights and 20ish own and Belarussian in service on various scales. Fkn mess.

Yeah one of those things that actually underscore the corruption level that still thrives. And no joke look at their devices in Syria and Ukraine.

Frightening telltale of some of the surviving messes from transition era.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

I don't get it. Russia makes its own microbolometers and matrices. They are saying they don't? NPO Orion makes them, so does others. X-58 on this forums posted about it.

sepheronx wrote:I don't get it. Russia makes its own microbolometers and matrices. They are saying they don't? NPO Orion makes them, so does others. X-58 on this forums posted about it.

I could only find cooled HgCdTe sensor in the 8-12micron band on orion webpage. No uncooled microbolometer whatsoever, nor any 640*480 sensor; pitch size is also very different from Kotemore's glasses. This is why I am asking. Of course one could always say they are not branding those, but I would prefer to be sure and have someone knowledgeable tell us

Hmm, so Orion only makes cooled Microbolometers? Cause I know they are making the thermal imagers to replace the French thermals made in Russia. But these are for armored units. I seriously thought it was uncooled.

sepheronx wrote:Hmm, so Orion only makes cooled Microbolometers? Cause I know they are making the thermal imagers to replace the French thermals made in Russia. But these are for armored units. I seriously thought it was uncooled.

The Catherine cameras on T-90s are based on a Sofradir HgCdTe sensor and indeed those are cooled. Uncooled cameras are of course lighter (not having the big cryostat to carry) but also worse at detecting hot objects.

I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.

Just a note, schvab is the owner of NPO Orion and the only maker of microbolometers in Russia, I think. I'll check when I get back home.