Russian made Scopes and Optics

sepheronx wrote:I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.

I am no more knowledgeable than you are I guess you would get way too much noise on that kind of sensor without cooling it.

Mr_Blob wrote:

sepheronx wrote:I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.

I am no more knowledgeable than you are I guess you would get way too much noise on that kind of sensor without cooling it.

Cooled sensors are prefered on "machinery" as its not an issue for vehicles to have slight increase in size and weight or power. Uncooled variants are prefered on soldier or light equipment.

Militarov wrote:

Mr_Blob wrote:

sepheronx wrote:I am not knowledgeable on this tech, but is there any way they can reduce the matrix so it doesn't require the cooling? Since Armata uses what Orion makes.

I am no more knowledgeable than you are I guess you would get way too much noise on that kind of sensor without cooling it.

Cooled sensors are prefered on "machinery" as its not an issue for vehicles to have slight increase in size and weight or power. Uncooled variants are prefered on soldier or light equipment.

That's how I understood it too(hence the cryostat comment). However my question is still pending. Aren't we a bit easy going when saying that corruption is responsible for the lack of IR goggles in the russian army. I am having the impression that IWT acted as an integrator using whatever ITAR free sensor. Given the current political situation, that product is a no-go for the russian army

But if Russia already makes the sensors via NPO Orion, wouldn't it make sense to then somehow reduce the need for it to be cooled in order to use them in other purposes?

Mr_Blob wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

Which might well be the case, however IWT still markets it AND they have given quotes for it to Indonesia (brace for it, ~4000USD per set). Sooo...

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mr_Blob wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

Which might well be the case, however IWT still markets it AND they have given quotes for it to Indonesia (brace for it, ~4000USD per set). Sooo...

It is the case i belive. However you know how it works, if IWT sends documentation about signed contract with Indonesia and they get materials, if Russia decides to buy 5.000 for domestic use, they just say: "lol you are under sanctions".

sepheronx wrote:But if Russia already makes the sensors via NPO Orion, wouldn't it make sense to then somehow reduce the need for it to be cooled in order to use them in other purposes?

Well the orion sensors are supposed to work at 40~80 K. You are proposing to increase that to room temperature in order to dump the cryostat. I seriously doubt this is achievable with the HgCdTe semicos. You will have to set another line for those uncooled sensors (VOx, Amorphous Si, whatever...). And of course that's hard and not really cheap for a market that might be fairly competitive when not considering ITAR restrictions

well microbolometer.ru talks of it, and of course theirs are SOFRADIR microbolometers: https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://microbolometer.ru/catalog/2-ir-sensors.html

Question is though, if they are made in Russia under license (for example, the T-90 thermals uses the Sofradir and it is apparently made in Russa), couldn't they use it for other applications?

Well, due to sanctions, Russia has nowhere else to go but for themselves in terms of purchasing the microbolometers. So in this case, they have no choice but to develop it. Rostec owns Schvab and Orion, so it is more or less the ones who will make it (since they are making all the other imagers as well. Orion is making a new one for space that was posted recently and they are the ones making the thermal imagers for Armata) and since Schvab deals with military scopes and what not as well.........

sepheronx wrote:well microbolometer.ru talks of it, and of course theirs are SOFRADIR microbolometers: https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://microbolometer.ru/catalog/2-ir-sensors.html

Question is though, if they are made in Russia under license (for example, the T-90 thermals uses the Sofradir and it is apparently made in Russa), couldn't they use it for other applications?

Not so sure about that, the cameras are made in Russia but probably not the sensors. Again, I could be wrong but Sofradir would be foolish to lose control on its tech. They have to milk the cow.

Mr_Blob wrote:

sepheronx wrote:well microbolometer.ru talks of it, and of course theirs are SOFRADIR microbolometers: https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://microbolometer.ru/catalog/2-ir-sensors.html

Question is though, if they are made in Russia under license (for example, the T-90 thermals uses the Sofradir and it is apparently made in Russa), couldn't they use it for other applications?

Not so sure about that, the cameras are made in Russia but probably not the sensors. Again, I could be wrong but Sofradir would be foolish to lose control on its tech. They have to milk the cow.

they seem to still be able to obtain new thermals for their T-72B3 tank upgrade even under sanctions, which is all military.  Unless they replaced the Sofradir with their own.

https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=http://orion-ir.ru/

Yeah, they would have gone with FPA-GS-03 or whatever for the Armata thermal imagers.  But after looking at the site, nothing is uncooled.  All cooled matrices.

Edit: just realized all products shown on Orion is civil and military. So they are not showing their full line up.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

I would have killed for one of those

x_54_u43 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Sometimes you just fucking ask yourself...why?

I would have killed for one of those

Could be yours for some 5.000 USD

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mr_Blob wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

Which might well be the case, however IWT still markets it AND they have given quotes for it to Indonesia (brace for it, ~4000USD per set). Sooo...

It is the case i belive. However you know how it works, if IWT sends documentation about signed contract with Indonesia and they get materials, if Russia decides to buy 5.000 for domestic use, they just say: "lol you are under sanctions".

Shall we recall the IWT Charon found on the rifle of the slain Russian SOF back in March?

Let's not make hasty judgements. IWT as an armament company is typically marked for sanctions as a whole if it deals with Russia, same for KC. Sanctions are however not applicable for Molot although they make the same products and part of their output comes/goes from/to Izhmash according to orders.

Same deal here, there's little control over what parts are used and for what customers. Also while Katod has worked with Sofradir (Ulis), which is a French company, there is no other indication that IWT works with them or has worked with them.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Mr_Blob wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Haha mother******* leeches.

Meanwhile IWT's Shadow just stands on its ass...

http://inwetech.ru/en/product/teplovizionnye_ochki_iwt_shadow_3d

Are you sure that product is not based upon an imported microbolometer however ? I am thinking about VOx Ulis matrices

Which might well be the case, however IWT still markets it AND they have given quotes for it to Indonesia (brace for it, ~4000USD per set). Sooo...

It is the case i belive. However you know how it works, if IWT sends documentation about signed contract with Indonesia and they get materials, if Russia decides to buy 5.000 for domestic use, they just say: "lol you are under sanctions".

Shall we recall the IWT Charon found on the rifle of the slain Russian SOF back in March?

Let's not make hasty judgements. IWT as an armament company is typically marked for sanctions as a whole if it deals with Russia, same for KC. Sanctions are however not applicable for Molot although they make the same products and part of their output comes/goes from/to Izhmash according to orders.

Same deal here, there's little control over what parts are used and for what customers. Also while Katod has worked with Sofradir (Ulis), which is a French company, there is no other indication that IWT works with them or has worked with them.

We don't know what it is using. For all we know, they could be using a Russian based microbolometer if companies like Orion makes them (since they only make cooled units, maybe not). Thing is, I don't think Russia can obtain the French ones anymore due to sanctions on defense companies. Already heavy sanctions on Uralvagonzavod as an example, and Rostec who supplies the microbolometers for Uralvagonzavods thermal sights. So it is safe to assume the same for all other defense companies. Molot is able to bypass it for being registered as a separate company altogether that isn't a classified supplier to the Russian army.

InfraTech IT-104H - Ru gun site
05.12.2016 00:05:56 | Here: http://www.infratech.ru/

Lightweight, compact night hunting scope with 3x increase with 2+ generation image intensifier tube, able to work in a wide range of lighting conditions. A special feature is the absence of the sight lens. The lens is focused at a distance of 80 meters. Specially designed optics allows for clear images at distances from 20 to 150 meters. Ideal for hunting with the approach.

The sight is equipped with a removable IR-diode ostvetitelem (880 nm, 50 mW) with battery. The illuminator has a discrete power control and adjustment of the beam divergence. Lights mounted on a quick-bracket, providing the possibility of its alignment.

Valdai 1P137:

Shvabe has developed a universal reflex sight

MOSCOW, 10 Jul — RIA Novosti. Universal secrity reflex sight that can be installed on firearms and crossbows developed specialists of the Vologda optical and mechanical plant (JSC "VOMZ), the press service of the holding "Schwabe", part of which includes the company.

The optical part of the product placed in a lightweight silumin a sealed housing that protects the optics from the negative effects of rain, dirt, dust and mechanical effects.

"The new sight is designed for dynamic types of hunting sport shooting or airsoft. The angular size the aiming mark type "Point" and features of a collimator allow the arrow successfully hit targets at ranges up to two hundred meters. And the presence of devotionlay adjustment of sighting mark's brightness enables you to use the sight in the twilight time of day," — said the General Director of JSC "VOMZ" Vasily Morozov.

Schwabe PA1 / 4











From: forum.guns.ru

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93424/



We started to supply thermal imaging sighting system "IRBIS" for tanks T-80U and T-90

Krasnogorsk plant has completed testing of thermal imaging sighting system "IRBIS" for the modernization of tanks T-80U and T-90. The product will supply the military in the framework of the already concluded contract from 2017, as reported in the annual report of the company.

The product is able to recognize a target at a distance of 3240 m at any time of the day. Its spectral range of 8-12 µm. Sensor type — submatrices, 4*288 elements. Wide field of view — at least from 6.8 to 9 degrees, narrow field of view — at least 2.3 to 3 degrees.The image is displayed on the digital video interface on two monitors based on gas-discharge display panels. The gunner can hit targets with automatic ranging or in emergency mode with manual range calculation method "base on target". The commander can hit targets with manual ranging, using the same method.Operating temperature range "IRBIS" — from minus 50 to plus 50 degrees. The system can operate in conditions of exposure to sand, dust, frost, sea mist, dew and humidity.The imager is paired with a commander combined sighting and observation systems "Agat-MDT". In 2012, this product was known as the TO1-TO 4ДТ.The spectral range of the photodetector 3 to 5 microns. It cooled matrix with a resolution of 320*256 pixels. The range of recognition — up to 2.5 km, there is a variant with twice the range.

Russia Valdai Optical Gun Site
Here: http://valdai.su/


Valdai 1PN137 Sighting System


Valdai 1PN138 Night Vision


Valdai 1P87 Collimator Sight


Valdai PK120 + ST-310


Valdai MN120 Gen III+ Night Vision


100% Combat duty. Syria

Just back [end of March] after a visit to Russia - while there I had the pleasure of a presentation by the Russian optics company Dedal-NV. From what I am to understand from them, they were the ones behind the development of Yukon NV gear etc. Anyway, I was impressed by the range and quality of the optics - a bit expensive, but very good. Their web site is www.nightvison.ru look them up, it costs nothing.

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Not working for me either... I have been looking for some decent scopes... am now sick of cheap models that look good, but turn out to be a bit crap...