Talking bollocks thread #2

Your confusing the MiG-25 for the MiG-31. The MiG-25 was the one that was deeply compromised.

No, I am not.

The Belenko defection handed an up to date model of the MiG-25 minus the weapons... the result was the MiG-25s in Russian service immediately got a full upgrade of systems and weapons that had been previously delayed due to lack of funding... the MiG-31 was also given a full upgrade after many of its systems were compromised by a spy codenamed Donald.

We bash a lot the f35 here including me but US have spent a lot in stealth and are without a doubt the best in that field.

The fact that many of its serious faults are known and still accepted and yet it remains enormously expensive to both buy and to operate makes me think it is all a Soviet era plot to destroy the west... in many ways it is like a supercar... looks cool in pictures but a pain in the ass to actually own or use... small and uncomfortable... uses enormous amounts of fuel just idling, and way too much power and performance for any normal person to use safely on imperfect roads us mere mortals have to navigate every day.

IMO if they reduced the detection range of the f-35 to 10-20% of the detection range of a f-16 it will be a very hard target. S-400 still uses X band for engagement which is the frequency band the mostly affected by stealth. I wouldn't underestimate them. And they very well what level of stealth their f-35 has.

The missiles don't home in to the target from launch... they are launched vertically to start with so a target 400km is hardly going to be lock on before launch.

Pretty much any platform can detect the stealthy threat and pass the general location to the S-400 battery and a missile can be launched to intercept... instead of detecting the F-35 at 50km it might only detect it at 30km, but that doesn't matter much because until the missile gets its own lock onto the target it can be guided closer to the target using other information from other types of sensors including L band radar or even IR sensors.

Turkish and Indian s-400 won't be game changers at all.

If you don't have an IADS then the S-400 could be kept mobile and will always be a serious threat to any aircraft operating in the area... the battery could operate with radar listening only and receive target information from radar batteries nearby that are doing the scanning in whatever frequency needed to detect stealthy targets... but it is Americans that talk about game changers... but then they are the ones fixated with gender changers too.

Official story about the f-117 is that they downed it when it had opened its bomb bays and the p-18 detected it at short range, not that far away.

It can only carry two bombs and the bomb bays remain open for seconds each time so it would hardly be enough for a missile lock and a missile launch and a successful interception... imagine if it was really stealthy and therefore invisible... you 360 degree scanning ability with a radar means your radars are spinning... what scan rate for a conventional radar... 6 scans per minute? What are the chances of the bomb bay being open at exactly the few seconds the radar is scanning past... more importantly in an aircraft that should detect the radar and know when the beam is going to scan past... with a laser guided bomb you open the bay... release the bomb or bombs and close in a couple of seconds... surely you could time it when the local radars are not looking at your aircraft... because if they can't see you are there they wont be sector scanning they will be scanning the entire night sky so even from close range they wont know you are there... even if they have your precise flight plans it would not help much...

Example, a potato peeling capability of a soldier is very important in certain situations, but having superior potato peelers will not win a war.

Especially potato peeling machines that are 20 million dollars each... they wont win a war but they could lose a cold war based on economics...

GarryB wrote:

We bash a lot the f35 here including me but US have spent a lot in stealth and are without a doubt the best in that field.

The fact that many of its serious faults are known and still accepted and yet it remains enormously expensive to both buy and to operate makes me think it is all a Soviet era plot to destroy the west... in many ways it is like a supercar... looks cool in pictures but a pain in the ass to actually own or use... small and uncomfortable... uses enormous amounts of fuel just idling, and way too much power and performance for any normal person to use safely on imperfect roads us mere mortals have to navigate every day.

By that argument, the MIG-25 was an even worse POS. When I was active duty and on the F-16, our squadron had a limited time to see the actual MIG-25 technical analyses from 1976 supplemented by today's analyses. The room was standing room only. Everyone was interested, from maintenance to aircrew. By our standards, the MIG-25 would have never been inducted in the first place, and we had our shares of clunkers.

The F-35 will be the next F-16 despite its controversial history, just like the F-16 was when it was inducted.

By that argument, the MIG-25 was an even worse POS.

Yeah, that just shows why Americans are such idiots... the MiG-25 was exactly what it was supposed to be, it was Americans that thought it was a Soviet F-15 like aircraft, and their disappointment when they finally got their hands on one to realise it was just a replacement for the Su-15 and Su-11 and Tu-128 interceptors and also to be used as a recon aircraft well it is self explanatory really isn't it?

The F-35 on the other hand is billed as a super fighter that will replace all other western fighters... of course it is going to fail, and as the cracks get worse and the more countries notice them the less they will want, so claims of 3,500 for NATO will be more like 1,200 if they are lucky... or should that be unlucky...

The Americans were so scared of how powerful the MiG-25 was going to be they actually copied its design and layout in the hopes they could match its perceived performance... I thought it was hilarious during the 1980s when the west was claiming the MiG-29 and the Su-27 were copies of western aircraft... F-18 and F-15 respectively mentioned as the basis when in reality all four aircraft have the same basic layout as the MiG-25... but that has always been a trick of the west... blame your enemies for your own crimes...

By our standards, the MIG-25 would have never been inducted in the first place, and we had our shares of clunkers.

Of course... there was not enough in the way of profit margin... making a plane out of stainless steel is just too easy... what you really need is a gold plated plane made of Titanium or unobtainium would be better...

GarryB wrote:

By that argument, the MIG-25 was an even worse POS.

Yeah, that just shows why Americans are such idiots... the MiG-25 was exactly what it was supposed to be, it was Americans that thought it was a Soviet F-15 like aircraft,

Correct, we were idiots in believing that the MIG-25 is anything like the F-15. By our standards, the MIG-25 was a POS. By yours? Anything you like.

GarryB wrote:The F-35 on the other hand is billed as a super fighter that will replace all other western fighters... of course it is going to fail,...

No, the F-35 will not fail. The F-35 is inevitable. The evolution of the fighter class itself is proof of that.

How many bombers have the Soviet Union and Russia sold? Not much. And for US, none.

The usage of the fighter always evolved into the fighter-bomber because that is all the rest of the world's air forces can afford. The F-35 will be a success your Russia will not have.

GarryB wrote:The Americans were so scared of how powerful the MiG-25 was going to be they actually copied its design and layout...

Bullshit.

Both the F-15 and the MIG-25 came from the A-5 Vigilante. When I attended the technical presentation of the MIG-25, that was made clear in the first five minutes.

havok wrote:

Both the F-15 and the MIG-25 came from the A-5 Vigilante. When I attended the technical presentation of the MIG-25, that was made clear in the first five minutes.

interesting, the A-5 was a joint USA/CCCP project?

So we are going back on topic when?

PapaDragon wrote:
So we are going back on topic when?

Never, because our dumbass mods keep fakes and morons around that just screw up conversations with their BS.

Lets be honest here, we have a lot of "experts" who claim to have such experience but they are nobodies. Mostly just keyboard warriors with quite the fantasy of a life.

miketheterrible wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So we are going back on topic when?

Never, because our dumbass mods keep fakes and morons around that just screw up conversations with their BS.

Lets be honest here, we have a lot of "experts" who claim to have such experience but they are nobodies. Mostly just keyboard warriors with quite the fantasy of a life.

Our mods are ones going off topic with them, like WTF?

Correct, we were idiots in believing that the MIG-25 is anything like the F-15. By our standards, the MIG-25 was a POS. By yours? Anything you like.

No. That would be ARE idiots if you still haven't worked out that the MiG-25 was never intended to be an F-15 like aircraft... in terms of interception performance the F-15 is pretty ordinary and would not have been effective, so even by your standards the F-15 is an over engineered POS interceptor only good for taking on third world countries after a few years of sanctions first.

No, the F-35 will not fail. The F-35 is inevitable. The evolution of the fighter class itself is proof of that.

It already has failed... it was supposed to be a super new stealth fighter that will penetrate Russian air defences with impunity because it will be invisible... and it wont even enter Syrian airspace...

How many bombers have the Soviet Union and Russia sold? Not much. And for US, none.

Su-34 and F-15E are strike aircraft... and the F-35 is not being sold as a bomber... it is being sold as a replacement for all 4th gen fighters for NATO and they are already developing alternatives...

The usage of the fighter always evolved into the fighter-bomber because that is all the rest of the world's air forces can afford. The F-35 will be a success your Russia will not have.

An airforce of one because that will be all they can afford... how to destroy NATO air power...

Makes S-400/S-500 redundant really because there will be so few aircraft NATO can afford...

Of course I would love to see them make 5,000 F-35s... that would help Russia no end.

Both the F-15 and the MIG-25 came from the A-5 Vigilante. When I attended the technical presentation of the MIG-25, that was made clear in the first five minutes.

Did they also say Saddam had WMDs ready to launch in 45 minutes warning?

Can they explain why the MiG-25 had two side by side engines like the MiG-19 and the Vigilante, but the wings of the MiG-25 look nothing like the long swept wings of the Vigilante... which look rather more like the wings of the F-14 and nothing like the F-15... and the Vigilante has a single vertical tail structure like the MiG-19... if anything the Vigilante looks like the Tu-128 in layout and planform, but the F-15 looks almost identical to the MiG-25, yet the MiG-25 really doesn't look much like the Vigilante at all...
Ironically if the Vigilante looks like any aircraft it is the British TSR-2 but with a more swept back smaller wing for low altitude high speed flight.

Our mods are ones going off topic with them, like WTF?

Sorry your majesty... like you never ever go off topic.

I will shift the off topic stuff tomorrow.

BTW 4 day break for Mike... it is the sort of thing dumbass mods like me do.

I cant take people serious who doubt the moon landing.

All nations followed this, including the USSR. This is totally out of debate.

As for the communist rubbish.

People are different. We have different IQ, different boy strength. Different looks. We team up with those close to us.

I dont team up with people who have an IQ below 100. I dont team up with people of different skills or whatever.

I absolutely and in evry way hate evrything even remotely communist. I even hate socialism.

So if a person of below average IQ made the ashphalt used in the roads near where you live you will refuse to use them?

Most of the low IQ people I know are much more honest and less manipulative than some of the smarter people I know... and while there is a threshold... really dumb people don't stay rich very long, but the smartest people are not always the richest... Bill Gates is not that smart... what he is is ruthless.

GarryB wrote:So if a person of below average IQ made the ashphalt used in the roads near where you live you will refuse to use them?

Most of the low IQ people I know are much more honest and less manipulative than some of the smarter people I know... and while there is a threshold... really dumb people don't stay rich very long, but the smartest people are not always the richest... Bill Gates is not that smart... what he is is ruthless.

The cow that makes the milk i drink is low iq as well. Same counts for tge chicken that lays eggs.

Thats what workers are for. I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Aristide wrote:...... I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Are you trying to have political discussion here or are you advertising your gay prostitution services?

PapaDragon wrote:

Aristide wrote:...... I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Are you trying to have political discussion here or are you advertising your gay prostitution services?  

Sorry, im not into that. You might look elsewhere if interested for such service.

Beside that, using homosexuality as something to insult or provocate someone? Really?
You shouldnt do that, it appears primitive and makes you target of hillbilly comments in Europe.

Aristide wrote:

GarryB wrote:So if a person of below average IQ made the ashphalt used in the roads near where you live you will refuse to use them?

Most of the low IQ people I know are much more honest and less manipulative than some of the smarter people I know... and while there is a threshold... really dumb people don't stay rich very long, but the smartest people are not always the richest... Bill Gates is not that smart... what he is is ruthless.

The cow that makes the milk i drink is low iq as well. Same counts for tge chicken that lays eggs.

Thats what workers are for. I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Aristide wrote:Beside that, using homosexuality as something to insult or provocate someone? Really?
You shouldnt do that, it appears primitive and makes you target of hillbilly comments in Europe.

You shouldn't put road builder as the same level as dairy cows and chickens. It appears completely stupid, it shows that you have zero IQ, that you do not have the ability to be thankful and makes you target of criticism in the whole world.

Aristide wrote:

GarryB wrote:So if a person of below average IQ made the ashphalt used in the roads near where you live you will refuse to use them?

Most of the low IQ people I know are much more honest and less manipulative than some of the smarter people I know... and while there is a threshold... really dumb people don't stay rich very long, but the smartest people are not always the richest... Bill Gates is not that smart... what he is is ruthless.

The cow that makes the milk i drink is low iq as well. Same counts for tge chicken that lays eggs.

Thats what workers are for. I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

1) Aristide does not work. His income comes from exploitation of the labour of others.

2) Aristide's body is useless. It is not used for making any contribution to this world. Aristide's body is just a bunch of useless muscle mas which has no use, which cannot do anything to build and maintain this society.

3) Aristide considers workers is at the same level of animals. Similar to a slave owners who treat his slaves, and that viewpoint is a gross violation against basic human rights and human dignity.

4) Aristide only care about his own freedom and interest, he is willing to trample on others freedom to increase his own, he is willing to trample on other humans including members of Russia Defence Forum if that suits his own interest.

5) Consider these above points I propose a permanent ban against Aristide. This forum is only for any individual who respects others' basic human rights and dignity, not for individuals who have such a disgusting viewpoint like above.

Aristide wrote:

GarryB wrote:So if a person of below average IQ made the ashphalt used in the roads near where you live you will refuse to use them?

Most of the low IQ people I know are much more honest and less manipulative than some of the smarter people I know... and while there is a threshold... really dumb people don't stay rich very long, but the smartest people are not always the richest... Bill Gates is not that smart... what he is is ruthless.

The cow that makes the milk i drink is low iq as well. Same counts for tge chicken that lays eggs.

Thats what workers are for. I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Milk is terribly bad for you. As a bodybuilder you should known that. I had stones removed from me when thanks to it. There are better sources of calcium.

Also, most of the road workers have it easy- their job might be somewhat physical demanding because they are exposed to elements, but it's highly regulated.

There's nothing to be ashamed from doing manual labour.
I've did my share of dirty jobs as a student. I drove trucks while I when I moved out to fund my personal development.
My father had plastic windows/isolation/furniture company and in early 90s and I was his labourer, driver, security guard, buhalter and muscle if someone was late paying up. I would be wrong saying that I earned the most money in my life in 90s by installing plastic windows, micron foil, thermal insulation than what I've earn in my own wee company now. It was a joy of having little to no competition.

Oh yes, I've worked in Norway as well - where I was literally stacking tyres in yard and then took them to Lithuania on a truck. Tyres that were literally thrown out for disposal in Norway were sold for good money after refurbishment in Lithuania. Now I was working hard as a slave in cotton plantation, but reward was motivating as I was self employed and couldn't spare unreliable man to do my job. Manual labour jobs could have turned millions of dollars without even paying vat due to nature of business in interior decoration as well. This what my wife's family did. Tho, sudden influx of money destroyed them.

Now my best friend works with dangerous/explosive material transportation and he has fireworks company too and he does all the hard lifting in his 50s. He hires people to run social media, deal with authorities and etc, he just drives and sets up displays.. one of the richest people from poor background I know. Earns loads of money from breeding horses too and renting countryside houses/properties for weddings and parties. No job is below him.
It's all about who you work for- you will find a good employee/employer balance if you are self employed

Aristide wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Aristide wrote:...... I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Are you trying to have political discussion here or are you advertising your gay prostitution services?  

Sorry, im not into that. You might look elsewhere if interested for such service.

You are one trying to sell his bum online, I was just pointing out that you are doing it in wrong location

And you don't need to be into that in order to get paid for renting your services, as an Arab immigrant who for some reason spends most of his time in spa and shooting roids you should know that

Aristide wrote:
Beside that, using homosexuality as something to insult or provocate someone? Really?
You shouldnt do that, it appears primitive and makes you target of hillbilly comments in Europe.

It's not insult, just observation​

Sorry if it hit close to home

Regular wrote:

Aristide wrote:

GarryB wrote:So if a person of below average IQ made the ashphalt used in the roads near where you live you will refuse to use them?

Most of the low IQ people I know are much more honest and less manipulative than some of the smarter people I know... and while there is a threshold... really dumb people don't stay rich very long, but the smartest people are not always the richest... Bill Gates is not that smart... what he is is ruthless.

The cow that makes the milk i drink is low iq as well. Same counts for tge chicken that lays eggs.

Thats what workers are for. I have the body to build streets. I do competive bodybuilding. But i use it to train and work out and chill in the spa. Im not a worker.

Milk is terribly bad for you. As a bodybuilder you should known that. I had stones removed from me when thanks to it. There are better sources of calcium.

Also, most of the road workers have it easy- their job might be somewhat physical demanding because they are exposed to elements, but it's highly regulated.

There's nothing to be ashamed from doing manual labour.
I've did my share of dirty jobs as a student. I drove trucks while I when I moved out to fund my personal development.
My father had plastic windows/isolation/furniture company and in early 90s and I was his labourer, driver, security guard, buhalter and muscle if someone was late paying up. I would be wrong saying that I earned the most money in my life in 90s by installing plastic windows, micron foil, thermal insulation than what I've earn in my own wee company now. It was a joy of having little to no competition.

Oh yes, I've worked in Norway as well - where I was literally stacking tyres in yard and then took them to Lithuania on a truck. Tyres that were literally thrown out for disposal in Norway were sold for good money after refurbishment in Lithuania. Now I was working hard as a slave in cotton plantation, but reward was motivating as I was self employed and couldn't spare unreliable man to do my job. Manual labour jobs could have turned millions of dollars without even paying vat due to nature of business in interior decoration as well. This what my wife's family did. Tho, sudden influx of money destroyed them.

Now my best friend works with dangerous/explosive material transportation and he has fireworks company too and he does all the hard lifting in his 50s. He hires people to run social media, deal with authorities and etc, he just drives and sets up displays.. one of the richest people from poor background I know. Earns loads of money from breeding horses too and renting countryside houses/properties for weddings and parties. No job is below him.
It's all about who you work for- you will find a good employee/employer balance if you are self employed

I Ddrnk mostly soy milk.
Also i have high respect for workers. I just could imagine to do such work like building a street. Maybe i expressed wrong.

Aristide wrote:I Ddrnk mostly soy milk...

And not a single person was surprised

Aristide wrote:...Also i have high respect for workers. I just could imagine to do such work like building a street.

I am sure that they could never imagine themselves in your line of "work" either

But I do doubt that respect would go both ways in this case

Aristide wrote:...Maybe i expressed wrong.

Nah, you definitely hit the nail on the head with that one

Well we all have to earn money.

I earn money as fitness coach and influence on instagram. I have clients in my own town which i help to reach their fitness goals and i also make online tutorials and individual
fitness programs. I make advertising for fitness products and participare in fitness videos and commercials.

Thats the work i do and i love my job. I can do what makes me happy and can have a good life with it.

I have respect for people who do their jobs. I´m my own boss and can decide about my daily routine. I think i could not work in a job where a boss tells me what to do.

When we were on a ship, we had a tour down in engine room and also the laundry. In the laundry it was loud, hot and hard to breath. I have much respect for people who work down there.

I have much respect for people who work down there.

But that is the point... you don't have any respect for anyone... you called them inferior on many occasions.

You have said a lot of things and now that the majority disapprove you are trying to backtrack... I have even less respect for you now.

GarryB wrote:

I have much respect for people who work down there.

But that is the point... you don't have any respect for anyone... you called them inferior on many occasions.

You have said a lot of things and now that the majority disapprove you are trying to backtrack... I have even less respect for you now.

I dont backtrack. I say what i think.

Its a simple fact that all humans are individuals and different. I would definitly not be happy in a communist tyranny and do evrything i could to either get out or resistance. I live in a society that gives opportunity. A commjnist system has no opportunity. It reduces humans to mere cattle status where nothing can be reached for the individual.

Beside that, its a good feeling to fight communists, it feels just great to let their sick dogma fail.

But isn't that the situation you love... you being priviledged and French and others being workers in their own little pieces of France... there to serve you.

Do you not realise that for most people being there to serve the few that communism or socialism appeals because it improves their situation from slave to menial cog in a greater machine.

Communist systems still need managers and ideas people, it just changes the focus from wealth to power...

Amusing that you have said you would not bother fighting the German Nazis during WWII, but that somehow communism is worse and would motivate you to get off your lazy social ass and risk your life to fight them.

Have you not asked yourself why that is?

I mean you are not interested in freedom and rights for the peasants that bring you drinks on your holidays, so we can dismiss you doing it because it is the right and moral thing to do.

You have been programmed very well... by people who made their fortunes in the current political structures and want to keep their fortunes even though they have rather more money than they could sensibly ever spend themselves, but their fear is that instead of a few having way too much and a majority having enough most of the time and a few with not enough... ie democracy and freedom and all that shit that America talked about when it actually meant what it was talking about... but the problem is that it is not self regulating and needs rules to stop all the wealth going to a few and everyone else not having enough... as depicted in Zombie movies where the majority don't have anything left to lose and start eating the rich and the others who have done well... it was no mistake the original movie took place in a shopping mall... the centre of American consumerism mantra.

Communism is about the distribution of wealth and work in a way that everyone can survive at a level of comfort... people don't go hungry and everyone gets a job and a house... and the abuse of capitalism and democracy is making it look more and more appealing to more and more people who have no obvious future in the current structure where the easiest way to earn money is with money... you earn more money by using money to create more money than actually working for a living...

The greedy few are breaking democracy... destroying it from the inside, but I am sure they will be glad to hear you will fight to keep those 1%ers rich and earning more and more money...

GarryB wrote:But isn't that the situation you love... you being priviledged and French and others being workers in their own little pieces of France... there to serve you.

Do you not realise that for most people being there to serve the few that communism or socialism appeals because it improves their situation from slave to menial cog in a greater machine.

Communist systems still need managers and ideas people, it just changes the focus from wealth to power...

Amusing that you have said you would not bother fighting the German Nazis during WWII, but that somehow communism is worse and would motivate you to get off your lazy social ass and risk your life to fight them.

Have you not asked yourself why that is?

I mean you are not interested in freedom and rights for the peasants that bring you drinks on your holidays, so we can dismiss you doing it because it is the right and moral thing to do.

You have been programmed very well... by people who made their fortunes in the current political structures and want to keep their fortunes even though they have rather more money than they could sensibly ever spend themselves, but their fear is that instead of a few having way too much and a majority having enough most of the time and a few with not enough... ie democracy and freedom and all that shit that America talked about when it actually meant what it was talking about... but the problem is that it is not self regulating and needs rules to stop all the wealth going to a few and everyone else not having enough... as depicted in Zombie movies where the majority don't have anything left to lose and start eating the rich and the others who have done well... it was no mistake the original movie took place in a shopping mall... the centre of American consumerism mantra.

Communism is about the distribution of wealth and work in a way that everyone can survive at a level of comfort... people don't go hungry and everyone gets a job and a house... and the abuse of capitalism and democracy is making it look more and more appealing to more and more people who have no obvious future in the current structure where the easiest way to earn money is with money... you earn more money by using money to create more money than actually working for a living...

The greedy few are breaking democracy... destroying it from the inside, but I am sure they will be glad to hear you will fight to keep those 1%ers rich and earning more and more money...

No communism is about downfall. Facism and communism are two sides of the same coin.

Ever wondered why the smartest minds and most creative people run away from such regimes?

Evry progress can only live in competition. Communism means stagnation and regression. You think an Elon Musk could thrieve in a communist regime? The USSR existed in a twilight zone. It only progressed as long it could compete with the west. But was deeply rotten inside.

Art, beauty and style are the first things that die in any communist regime. Then follow creativity and intellect.

The people vote with their feet Gary.

In Germany it was not the west Germans who run by the millions into the "worker paradise" of east germany. East Germany had to build a wall to keep their own people in. And even that was about to fail, when the people ripped the wall down.

You know France was against german reunion? We saw a possible enemy rise again. Our then president Mitterand conspired with Thatcher to stop the german reunion. But he realized thats impossible. The east german people demanded to crush communism. They fled by the millions out of the "worker paradise". So France agreed to the reunion.

I will never accept any form of communism in France and i would with great joy join forces to destroy such a regime. And because of that, communism will always fail. There are many millions like me. And any system based on communism always massive sabotage from inside.